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    I have always been fairly left-wing, supporting immigration, going on about how ethnic minorities should not be discriminated against, immigration wasn't too big of a problem etc. Often I waved off conversations about the extent of immigration, the loss of the nation's identity and grim predictions such as Britain becoming a Muslim country in the next 100 years, and the like, seeing them as over the top comments made out of ignorance.

    Over the past few weeks however, I've really started noticing how serious the situation is. My aunt works as a GP in a 'walk in' centre in Buckinghamshire, and she has always voted labour and defended immigration. I was alarmed when she sat at a dinner table over Christmas and for about half an hour spoke about how:

    Hours and hours of time and money are wasted on the NHS due to first generation immigrants from all places visiting 3 or 4 times per month for absolutely absurd things such as a cough, arguing with health professionals about the best treatment, demanding antibiotics despite being told they won't help. Then coming out with absurd comments about how 'Britain owes it to (insert country) for what you 150 years ago' Furthering the point, apparently figures from last month at this practise (situated in a town in which 80% of the population is supposedly white) 80% of patients were not from this country.

    After said conversation, I decided to pay more attention to what is going on around us, and that's when it hit me. Half this damn country isn't white anymore. I was in a train station last night with over 30 people in queues for tickets. I was the only white person. In town earlier this morning, the same story. I literally felt like a minority in what is supposed to be a Christian country.

    I doubt anyone watched it, but Muslim driving school illustrated a point to me which really got me thinking. A 'well off' Muslim family who could afford maids, butlers etc in their country, came here with 4 children to get them into British schools in order to give them a good education and go far in life back home. 2 of them were attending very competitive schools in this country, ie, taking away places for some children who would have stayed here after their education. The economic consequences of immigration are going to get very serious if this keeps going.

    It's all well and good for us middleclass kids to sit around claiming that there isn't a problem with immigration. But there sure as hell is. I have no problem with immigrants. But I think the gates need closing now and there needs to an appeal to a lot of these people (first generation who have been here for under 5 years) to go home. Things are getting way out of hand.

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    This isn't intended on being a well balanced, factually based essay. There are plenty of those on TSR already. It's a rant written in a few minutes about my sudden realisation that immigration needs to be dealt with.

    Furthermore, it is not my intention to insult immigrants or say that there are no positives to come out of immigration. Again, I am saying it has gone too far.

    As for the figures. Apart from the 80% claim, made by my aunt - who as a partner in the GP centre has access to the figures of her medical centre - the others I would take with a pinch of salt as I have no idea where she got them from.

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=273

    They are the actual figures for the breakdown of ethnicity in the UK. Evidently - unless those figures are completely wrong - 50% of the country aren't non-white - I was pointing out an observation usually exaggeration to make my point.
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    I doubt you even have an Aunt
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    Just because some one is not white doesn't make them an immigrant.
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    You don't sound remotely left-wing to me tbh.
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    Also, Christians aren't always white...
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    (Original post by stardog32)
    You don't sound remotely left-wing to me tbh.
    Exactly and by saying he was etc at the start it just proves further that he isn't....
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    And where did you copy and paste that from?
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    I agree with the OP and I also think you're not alone. Labours loss of support isn't just because they're a shower of *******, but also because their political philosophy is losing ground. Demonstrates how naive Cameron's move towards Labour-lite policies are. Immigrants are now everywhere. It wasn't like this when I was younger.
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    Whilst to some extent I agree with you, I feel obliged to comment on your point concerning 'wasting NHS time on immigrants' for several reasons:

    1) My mother is a GP and her practice is in one of the poorer white areas of Leeds. She also complains of people coming in for trivial reasons, demanding anitbiotics and stating that the 'are owed'. However, the majority of people she sees are white working class Britons - not immigrants. One of the main problems that has come with the NHS is that people feel that free healthcare is a right, and are becoming ever more ungrateful for it.

    2) A large proportion of NHS staff are immigrants. My father, a surgeon, feels that the many Filipinos that work in his hospital as orderlies etc are some of the hardest working people he has ever met, and that the foreign doctors he works with are much more professional than many of the British doctors working there, who spend a large amount of time attending conferences, delegating work to subordinates and working as little as possible.

    Whilst I doagree that immigration is a problem, I believe that your arguments are not valid. As for the 45% of babies born being muslim, I find this incredibly hard to believe and I would like to see where you got this figure.
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    You make it sound as if all immigrants are Muslim.
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    I love how little kids complain about the "state" that is supposely "wasting money" on immigrants. It just shows that you don't have a clue of even the basic economic concepts.


    If then you complain because Europe is not white anymore, I can understand you. I don't really agree, but at least I can see your concern. If racial purity is the problem, just admit it ffs. I'd have more respect for your ideas.
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    Non-white muslim =/= immigrant.
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    it's the illegal ones that really have to be dealt with
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    Read the post? I'm not talking about people of a different colour - I'm talking about the limit being pushed in the past 5 or so years. Like I said, I did consider myself left wing on issues such as immigration. But the past few weeks have pushed me in the other direction.
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    (Original post by Frieza)
    I love how little kids complain about the "state" that is supposely "wasting money" on immigrants. It just shows that you don't have a clue of even the basic economic concepts.


    If then you complain because Europe is not white anymore, I can understand you. I don't really agree, but at least I can see your concern. If racial purity is the problem, just admit ffs. I'd have more respect.
    A) I am very interested in statistics which prove that immigrants are a net benefit to the UK in a purely financial sense.

    B) Some of us don't even care if A) is met, I live in a society, not a branch of a multinational company. The social cost is not worth it. I do not accept the crime waves associated with immigrants, nor do I accept the change to the culture in English cities. I personally no longer call London or Birmingham or Manchester English cities - simply because they aren't.

    Funny how it's all ethnics that are ****ging off the OP.
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    (Original post by Frieza)
    I love how little kids complain about the "state" that is supposely "wasting money" on immigrants. It just shows that you don't have a clue of even the basic economic concepts.
    Ok, to reword to your liking, sir. Labour (medical practitioners) is not being allocated efficiently (the abuse of the healthcare system by people usually of a foreign background).
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    I won't deny that there is a lot "foreign" people in England. Me included.
    But my mother works over 70 hours a week and she hardly ever have anytime off.
    she pays for taxes. I wouldn't say that my family are leeching off the government.

    You said you have no problems with immigration but you clearly do.
    Especially, Muslims :/
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    (Original post by DaveSteed24)
    Stop reading the daily mail - its not good for u :P: this country is just multi-cultural now, its not a bad thing, i mean yeah you get people who don't wanna wirk and scrounge but you get plenty more 'home grown' scroungers in our green and pleasent land - i think its a good thing - and i'm conservative :p:
    How is it not a bad thing? Don't you like British culture? Why is it better to have other cultures in the UK exactly? I don't quite understand how driving past rows of shops with signs in foreign languages enriches my life. I'm really interested in how it does it - especially in a world where a 2 hour plane flight takes me to the country of origin anyway.

    I'm really interested - how is it good? Cultures by definition include different sets of values. Why do I want to live in a country with people who have different sets of values? When I see a woman in Burka - how is that supposed to be a positive experience? Because she has different values they're automatically equal values?

    Some values are better then others, some sets of values are also better then others. It makes me feel sick to think that value-sets that include oppressing women are celebrated - simply on the misguided notion of them having merit in being different. At the end of the day - its oppression against women (just one example). I don't care how that is dressed up under multi-culturalism - it's disgusting and saying it's "not bad" is just ignorance.
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    (Original post by revisionnightmare)
    Read the post? I'm not talking about people of a different colour - I'm talking about the limit being pushed in the past 5 or so years. Like I said, I did consider myself left wing on issues such as immigration. But the past few weeks have pushed me in the other direction.
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    Half this damn country isn't white anymore.
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    move to the North
 
 
 
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