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    (Original post by juanmodesto)
    Oh dear - cold hard facts not to your liking? Why am I not surprised?

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    how do you know they cold hard facts? did you personally go and collect this data? no!! thought not,
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    If I build a house; put my time, effort and money into it, I build that house for my children not a bunch of squatters.

    The same principle applies with the country, our parents and grandparents did not pay there taxes and work hard to make this country what it is for people to come in and cream off there successes. People talk about EU immigration as if it is a given, well its not. Parliament is sovereign and we are one of the big three in the Union, if we threatened to leave I’m sure as hell we would get what we want. Other EU nations set up quotas on EU migration so it’s not impossible. Those from outside the EU should be subject to the points system, but we still have the problem of the people already here. Immigrants can integrate, those that came in the 50’s and 60’s have, we have simply become to accommodating so that they feel no need to integrate so they wont. The government’s multi-cultural wet dream of social cohesion has done the opposite and caused segregation in many parts of the country. Those government ministers who opened the flood gates do not have to live in poor immigrant areas, most locals have now left those areas due to the problems immigration has caused and those locals that remain are resentful. If the government do not do something the far right will continue to grow, they will not gain power but I will not be surprised if there is a major terrorist act committed against the immigrant population in this country any time soon.
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    (Original post by scorpion95)
    how do you know they cold hard facts? did you personally go and collect this data? no!! thought not,
    Hmmm let me see. Who do I believe - a survey of local authority housing departments and housing associations, which collates data they are legal obliged to collect, or the paranoid fantasies of assorted neo-Nazi scum.

    That's a really hard decision isn't it?

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    Go join the BNP so that we have an excuse to retaliate through violent rioting
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    (Original post by juanmodesto)
    Hmmm let me see. Who do I believe - a survey of local authority housing departments and housing associations, which collates data they are legal obliged to collect, or the paranoid fantasies of assorted neo-Nazi scum.

    That's a really hard decision isn't it?

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    and you believe everything that the governments and councils say and publish etc, your stupid if you do

    how is it in any way connected to neo nazi scum??
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    (Original post by Renner)
    If I build a house; put my time, effort and money into it, I build that house for my children not a bunch of squatters.

    The same principle applies with the country, our parents and grandparents did not pay there taxes and work hard to make this country what it is for people to come in and cream off there successes. People talk about EU immigration as if it is a given, well its not. Parliament is sovereign and we are one of the big three in the Union, if we threatened to leave I’m sure as hell we would get what we want. Other EU nations set up quotas on EU migration so it’s not impossible. Those from outside the EU should be subject to the points system, but we still have the problem of the people already here. Immigrants can integrate, those that came in the 50’s and 60’s have, we have simply become to accommodating so that they feel no need to integrate so they wont. The government’s multi-cultural wet dream of social cohesion has done the opposite and caused segregation in many parts of the country. Those government ministers who opened the flood gates do not have to live in poor immigrant areas, most locals have now left those areas due to the problems immigration has caused and those locals that remain are resentful. If the government do not do something the far right will continue to grow, they will not gain power but I will not be surprised if there is a major terrorist act committed against the immigrant population in this country any time soon.
    "there taxes" "there successes" - your parents didn't bother to teach you how to write English that's for sure.

    The wealth of Britain was built to a large extent off slavery and the exploitation of the Empire. As Orwell succinctly put it "the British Empire is a machine that converts the sweat of an Indian peasant into the bank balance of a maiden aunt in Gloucestershire."
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    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    yes, because the vietnamese set the standard for what we should do.
    if they let people do things over there, we better be damn sure we follow suit over here!
    Are you filing the case for prosecution?
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    (Original post by scorpion95)
    and you believe everything that the governments and councils say and publish etc, your stupid if you do

    how is it in any way connected to neo nazi scum??
    I believe the speed of light is about 2.997 x 10^8 m/s. I haven't measured it for myself. I could if I wanted to. The statistic quoted in that article is far more verifiable than anything from you! If you have any specific criticisms of their methodology let's hear them. Your paranoia is of no interest to anyone but the mental health professionals who look after you.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Are you filing the case for prosecution?
    prosecute people for speaking other languages? no, im not saying that, but i think all foreigners who come here should at least pass gcse english or some similar test - cant really make people speak a language, but imo we should make sure everyone here can - obv not including tourists.
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    It simply amazes me that as recent as 100 years ago, Britain was using her military might to force other countries open up the protectionist markets. Britain has transformed Hong Kong from a fishing island into the most free economic body in the world today.

    Looking at the present Britain, I want to ask "where has that ideal gone to?". MPs debate on whether Cadbury would be less British if allowed to be acquired by Kraft. Even business transactions have to be attached to the so called "national identity". Should the MPs also debate whether Cadbury would be less British if the company employs any non-white non-Christian (as a matter of fact, not all white British are Christians) staffs, or would it be any less British if it operates in other countries?
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    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    prosecute people for speaking other languages? no, im not saying that, but i think all foreigners who come here should at least pass gcse english or some similar test - cant really make people speak a language, but imo we should make sure everyone here can - obv not including tourists.
    I personally am interested in how many BNP members got a grade C or above at GCSE English.

    Incidentally, in order to acquire British citizenship, you need to be fluent in the English language. This is examined by new tests from the Home Office. In order to be study in the UK, if you are from a non-EU country, you need to pass an IELTS exam.
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    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    prosecute people for speaking other languages? no, im not saying that, but i think all foreigners who come here should at least pass gcse english or some similar test - cant really make people speak a language, but imo we should make sure everyone here can - obv not including tourists.
    afaik it's compulsory for a potential immigrant to pass a English test administered by the Border Agency. I'd say that it's very reasonable to expect an immigrant or a student to have a basic respect and knowledge of the British culture, language, and the rules.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    I personally am interested in how many BNP members got a grade C or above at GCSE English.

    Incidentally, in order to acquire British citizenship, you need to be fluent in the English language. This is examined by new tests from the Home Office. In order to be study in the UK, if you are from a non-EU country, you need to pass an IELTS exam.
    I think that's with the exception of commonwealth and other English speaking countries too. Personally I have never been asked to take any language proficiency exams.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    I personally am interested in how many BNP members got a grade C or above at GCSE English.

    Incidentally, in order to acquire British citizenship, you need to be fluent in the English language. This is examined by new tests from the Home Office. In order to be study in the UK, if you are from a non-EU country, you need to pass an IELTS exam.
    what do BNP members have to do with the fluency of the language of immigrants? im not arguing BNP members against immigrants here - the test results and language skills of the native population is a domestic problem and can be fixed over time. immigration problems can not be fixed over time - once they are here, they are here.
    and exactly - if you are from a non-EU country. EU members can come without knowing any english, and stay as long as they please

    regulation on language (not numbers, that is shocking) for non EU immigration is almost reasonable, but if you are from an EU country, you can come here in completely unregulated droves. i know im sidetracking, but its just another of the many problems of our continued membership.
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    (Original post by cloudone)
    Looking at the present Britain, I want to ask "where has that ideal gone to?".
    Unfortunately the free market here died in 1948 with the rise of socialism - business and employment are outrageously tightly regulated, and the public sector here is massive. somehow it is now felt that it is the business of the state to intervene in private transactions.
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    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    what do BNP members have to do with the fluency of the language of immigrants? im not arguing BNP members against immigrants here - the test results and language skills of the native population is a domestic problem and can be fixed over time. immigration problems can not be fixed over time - once they are here, they are here.
    and exactly - if you are from a non-EU country. EU members can come without knowing any english, and stay as long as they please

    regulation on language (not numbers, that is shocking) for non EU immigration is almost reasonable, but if you are from an EU country, you can come here in completely unregulated droves. i know im sidetracking, but its just another of the many problems of our continued membership.
    1. It is often BNP members who make this jibe about 'immigrants needing to speak English fluently'. Would that need to include the usual soundbites of 'faaarck off back to where you come from/who are ya?/no surrender/we're being swamped/Ingurrland/jog on' and the other flowery vocabulary of some of their councillors?

    2. Why wouldn't immigrants be able to access TEFL programs whilst in the UK, to improve their English ability. It's obviously something that can be fixed.

    3. If you are from any EU country, surely you can turn up in any other EU member state. Seems like quite a few British people have turned up in hmm... Spain, France, Germany, Sweden, Italy, Bulgaria, Greece... I do wonder how many of them are fluent in the local language.
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    I'm a son of immigrants and I can agree with you some of your points. Its the Somalians that come here and just live off the job centre - 10 kids and a 7-seater.
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    (Original post by Kittykatkat)
    My problem is not with immigration, or even immigrants. It is the people who move here, from a different country, with different beliefs, languages and customs and impose those beliefs, langauges and customs onto Britain. Britain isn't British anymore and this is NOT a good thing.

    When the social cost is as high as it is do we really care about the economic cost?

    I live in London, very near to an area where I, as a white Brit, am a minority. The closest thing I have to a friendly local store is a shop where I can't read any of the labels, I can't even tell you it's name because it is written in an alphabet that I do not understand. The people in the shop speak in their own language, I can't even ask them for help getting something from the top shelf because they simply do not speak English.

    People should, by all means, be allowed to move to the UK and contribute to our economy and to our social structure but when they don't make an effort to even learn our language, when they say our queen is useless, when they say our government doesn't help them...it makes me angry and more than that, it makes me sad.

    /rant>
    I completely agree with the language issue, but find it funny that you are upset when non-indigenous members of society rubbish the queen!
    Old queenie is part of british cultural herritage and is a good thing culturally but in reality she is useless. Why get your panties in a twist over it! Do you feel the same when an indigenous brit says the queen/royals are [email protected]?
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    I am an immigrant and have been here for under ten years. I do agree that imiigration has gone out of hand although immigration got me here in the first place.


    The English/British i think are one of the most tolerable people in the world because if this occured in China, South Africa or an Arab country(apart from the UAE(united arab emirates), there would be some violence involved. So the concern of immigration by British born nationals is very understandable.
    Concerns have apparently sky rocketed that News reports show that concern for the current immigration situation of Britain would potentially trigger violence from nationalists in a couple year's time.

    Muslims should definitely not be hated, but its's evident that some muslims are inviting hatred against Islam by making absurd comments like "Buckingham palace would become a mosque". The issue surrounding Islam is the fact that it is tolerated in Britain and Europe, (which should be the case of course) however tolerance seems absent from Islam's dictionary in relation to other religions and idealogies. For instance it is utterly unimaginable for a religious sect to go to Saudi Arabia and pronounce something like; "the main mosque in saudi would become our place of worship" without being awarded with abuses. If muslims wan't to live amicably with non muslim Europeans then perhaps they should uphold the principle of freedom of speech and expression and not attack cartonists for instance.
    However...
    With the issue about too many immigrants of colour arriving in Europe, there are more white Australian, Canadians and people of Newzealand birth combined than there are of any other country of colour's representatives in Britain. And fact; the Australians and Newzealanders stay the longest in Britain; if the issue of length of stay is the topic being discussed here.

    How would BNP solve immigration? Can the people of Britain be assured racism would not be a factor given the fact that people of colour can't vote for them. For instance a Black British born here whose parents are immigrants from let's say Cuba, can't vote for them, but a British person with French oringin for instance can.

    Note that there are more Immigrants in the UAE than there are UAE born nationals. A substantial chunk of these immigrants are Britsih born. They have settled there and have no intention of going back due to the economic wealth available even though they could earn well in the UK too. However the UAE wants this to happen for its economic benefit.
    This is not the case for most third world based immigrants from nations of colour as they cannot have such benefits back home. The thing is that Britain needed these immigrants 10 -40 years ago for economic purposes. However that period may be coming soon to an end. Some of these reasons relate to overcrowding.

    Nonetheless if BNP was to come into power and simply ask high earning immigrants to f off they would simply leave for countries like UAE, USA, etc and take the wealth they have created out of the UK economy with them because such countries want them anyway.This would make Britain relatively less wealthy.

    Perhaps a way to halt immigration would be to help poor countries to get to a standard where the immigration to the Uk/Europe is less economically viable.
    Who said Britain has no culture.....
    The culture of the British people should be preserved because this is their country. For those who think that the British has no culture that view is completly fasle. There is christmas, the queen, easter, good Britsih food like cornish pie, etc. Binge drinking is only a modern way of life that's present in almost any other country but perhaps not as high as it is here.

    to those who hate immigrants....
    America has immigrants from every country and look where its has got them; economic wealth, wealth of ideas etc.
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    Ah another Nick Griffin acolyte.

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