I think the purpose of the relationship was to show that totalitarianism, if not fought against, could triumph anywhere. Orwell wanted to show, how easy it is for totalitarian regimes to strip humans of their humanity. The relationship between Winston and Julia was merely a tool to illustrate this. The failure of this relationship is a symbol of the power of totalitarian societies.
Do you think that Julia and Winston simply used each other, and this relatinship was a form of rebellion, or was there real love involved?
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- 25-01-2010 17:20
- 26-01-2010 13:24
Agreed but yeah they did use each other to fulfill their own goals but they fell in love at the end. The John Hurt film adaptation actually makes a better sense of their relationship
And yes it was to show a form of rebellion
- 30-01-2010 17:57
There was no real love involved. Julia was working for the thought police, imo.
- 30-01-2010 21:49
They fell in love. But ultimately room 101 broke that. It showed that in the end the totalitarianism broke the rebellion that was their love.
- 31-01-2010 12:22
At the start it was suppressed sexual frustration mixed with their mutual and intrinsic longing to rebel. My favourite part is when Winston tells her she's "only a rebel from the waist downward." She finds it "brilliantly witty" and that hints that they do gradually fall in love, I think.
- 02-02-2010 00:18
If you're looking for Eng Lit criticisms, I remember the thing about the three women "making" Winston. His mother, Katherine and Julia. IIRC, the idea what his mother created his longing for rebellion, his wife made him realise it and Julia gave him opportunity.
There is a school of thought that thinks that Orwell's 'flat' presentation of women in 1984 makes him a sexist - I disagree, everyone but Winston is flat, it's HIS story, regardless of gender.
As above really, the author used it to illustrate the insidious and divisive nature of a totalitarian state that breaks down inter-personal relationships. But I do think they fell in love...if not with each other, then with the idea of each other.
But if you argue they weren't ever truly in love, then you break that entire meaning of the book. If they weren't in love, love is never tested by Room 101. So love might actually triumph totalitarianism. Who knows?
- 02-02-2010 17:03
PoliticoJames's interpretation is sound.
What no one has mentioned is how she is initially presented. Initially Winston hates Julia because she appears like a zealous pro-Party advocate, and she is also a member of Anti-Sex League; with regards to the latter there is also a sense of repressed sexual frustration - Winston resents the fact he cannot have sex with Julia. But consider what happens when he begins to know her - the complete opposite is revealed.