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    (Original post by effofex)
    Not racist. Religionist. Just as bad though (if not worse).
    "Sectarian" is the word I think you're grasping for. Still, all these "anti-Islam" types are racist. Do you think they really disagree so violently with Muslims because of different interpretations of Christ's relationship with God and the belief in an extra Prophet? Of course not; they dislike them because they're brown.
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    Still, all these "anti-Islam" types are racist. Do you think they really disagree so violently with Muslims because of different interpretations of Christ's relationship with God and the belief in an extra Prophet? Of course not; they dislike them because they're brown.
    Rubbish.
    Take a look at "Islamic culture" all around the world and tell me if there's anything about it that should be welcomed here. Take a look at the intolerance and killings of homosexuals and adulterers, the oppression of women, female genital mutilation, dhimmi status of minority faiths.
    Allowing ANYTHING like Sharia law here, is something we should be fighting tooth and nail to prevent! It's an openly-totalitarian ideology that will become more demanding and aggressive as it grows stronger in Britain.
    Even in Europe the rise in homophobic and anti-semitic attacks is down to aggressive Islam. What about the "honor killings," dozens of which happen even in the UK each year, and women having acid thrown in their faces by family members. Look at the constant stream of Islamists being brought to trial for terrorist plots and the £100million annual budged spent by police in anti-extremist operations. Look at the underground bombings, and 52 British citizens being blown to pieces. Look at Halal slaughter increasingly creeping in to school and university menus ..
    Look at the appalling way some ex-muslims and Muslims who have "come out" as gay live in fear even in the UK with constant death threats. Look at the way Islam takes offense at absolutely anything and starts issuing "fatwa's" and death threats.

    Don't get any of that from the predominantly "brown" Hindu and Sikh communities do you, they just shut up and get on with their lives rather than constantly belly-aching, which is why I suspect they are welcomed by many.
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    99% of people on the EDL protest were peaceful and a minority caused the trouble.
    Notice that the speeches by a Sikh member and one of our black members were ignored by the press and the lefties. I wonder why? It couldn't be that then they would have to retract their racist tag.

    EDL are in no way connected to the BNP, nor will we ever be.

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    (Original post by Arthur11)
    99% of people on the EDL protest were peaceful and a minority caused the trouble.

    Notice that the speeches by a Sikh member and one of our black members were ignored by the press and the lefties. I wonder why? It couldn't be that then they would have to retract their racist tag.

    EDL are in no way connected to the BNP, nor will we ever be.

    Arthur.
    The Sikh member was shouted down by the EDL! One of their own was shouted down because they were too busy beating each other over the heads to realise that he was one of theirs. Having members of a certain skintone or belief does not mean they're not racist towards others.

    And the links between the EDL and BNP are thinly veiled at best. Some members of the BNP were at the bleeding march or at least "in the area innocently" shouting abuse at those peacefully protesting that this isn't what we want in our city.

    The majority were peaceful were they? Really? So the videos of them cheering each other on, beating the police and trying to attack other areas of the city were all figments of Stoke's imagination then? They attacked a granny in a car for goodness sake! They sent death threats to our taxi companies, vandalised a mosque and smashed cars up in the town next to mine. They cost local businesses a fortune in lost business and vandalism. We have to pay for the clear-up of the utter chaos that they caused and then they have the nerve to say they're doing it for England?

    Trashing a city, chanting racist words and beating policemen isn't my idea of defending England. Utter idiots.
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    Maybe it's time the EDL were banned.

    S*** behaviour. The amount of public order disruption they cause is disgraceful. Far more than any Islamist protest.

    I'm sure we'll see a ban soon.
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    (Original post by Arthur11)
    99% of people on the EDL protest were peaceful and a minority caused the trouble.
    Notice that the speeches by a Sikh member and one of our black members were ignored by the press and the lefties. I wonder why? It couldn't be that then they would have to retract their racist tag.

    EDL are in no way connected to the BNP, nor will we ever be.

    Arthur.
    LIES!

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...00000400768272
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    These are the instructions given to all EDL members re the demo.

    Although we may once again face being confined to a pub for some time, we would ask you not to drink excessively before the demo; there will be plenty of time afterwards. The reasons for this are twofold. First, we will likely not have access to toilets, and second, we are adamant that the protest stay peaceful and to that end would prefer that anyone who feels the need to drink excessively before the demo stay in the pub and not attend. Obviously, that would not be ideal, and we hope members will decide that the cause is more important than that extra pint.

    Anyone who is able, please bring flags, placards, and banners. These are invaluable in getting our message across to the general public, who may only see pictures of our demonstration.

    We will have two speakers; one is a Sikh, and the other is one of our black members, both proud Britons, and both of whom have volunteered to help start the year off strong by telling the UAF exactly where they can stick their dishonest claim that we are racists. We know that the UAF are terrified that the people of Briton might realise who the real anti-fascists in this country are. Here’s a hint: it’s not the misguided socialists defending the preachers of oppressive, totalitarian Islamic law.

    We will be having two collections on the day. One will be for a young Luton soldier who was grievously injured in Afghanistan in November, and whose family are firm supporters of our cause, and the other will be for the family of Martin Barrasford, our Walsall organiser who tragically passed away on Sunday aged just 27. The EDL will always support our heroes, and always look out for its own.

    We will also be holding 2 minutes silence out of respect for the fallen soldiers and our fallen friend.

    We will conclude as usual with our national anthem, God Save the Queen.
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    (Original post by Arthur11)
    These are the instructions given to all EDL members re the demo.

    Although we may once again face being confined to a pub for some time, we would ask you not to drink excessively before the demo; there will be plenty of time afterwards. The reasons for this are twofold. First, we will likely not have access to toilets, and second, we are adamant that the protest stay peaceful and to that end would prefer that anyone who feels the need to drink excessively before the demo stay in the pub and not attend. Obviously, that would not be ideal, and we hope members will decide that the cause is more important than that extra pint.

    Anyone who is able, please bring flags, placards, and banners. These are invaluable in getting our message across to the general public, who may only see pictures of our demonstration.

    We will have two speakers; one is a Sikh, and the other is one of our black members, both proud Britons, and both of whom have volunteered to help start the year off strong by telling the UAF exactly where they can stick their dishonest claim that we are racists. We know that the UAF are terrified that the people of Briton might realise who the real anti-fascists in this country are. Here’s a hint: it’s not the misguided socialists defending the preachers of oppressive, totalitarian Islamic law.

    We will be having two collections on the day. One will be for a young Luton soldier who was grievously injured in Afghanistan in November, and whose family are firm supporters of our cause, and the other will be for the family of Martin Barrasford, our Walsall organiser who tragically passed away on Sunday aged just 27. The EDL will always support our heroes, and always look out for its own.

    We will also be holding 2 minutes silence out of respect for the fallen soldiers and our fallen friend.

    We will conclude as usual with our national anthem, God Save the Queen.
    Bit of a slip up, eh?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9lmF...layer_embedded
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    None of EDL heckled our own speakers, what a silly idea, infiltrators from the BNP and the UAF did this, we have identified 2 UAF and at least 3 BNP and there may be more to come as we trawl through video footage and photos.

    There is no chance of a ban, the police reported that most of the demo was peaceful with sporadic trouble and most of those who caused trouble have been arrested, as they should be.

    Also I would point out that they kettled us in pubs yet again and what happens if you make people stay in a pub for several hours, oh surprise, surprise, they drink.

    It also doesn't help when the police assaulted and injured some EDL.
    So no, EDL will not be held responsible for the animals that ran amok.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Not racist. Religionist. Just as bad though (if not worse).
    Sorry. Disagree wholeheartedly. It's not as bad, and certainly not worse. It doesn't even compare.
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    (Original post by Arthur11)
    None of EDL heckled our own speakers, what a silly idea, infiltrators from the BNP and the UAF did this, we have identified 2 UAF and at least 3 BNP and there may be more to come as we trawl through video footage and photos.

    There is no chance of a ban, the police reported that most of the demo was peaceful with sporadic trouble and most of those who caused trouble have been arrested, as they should be.

    Also I would point out that they kettled us in pubs yet again and what happens if you make people stay in a pub for several hours, oh surprise, surprise, they drink.

    It also doesn't help when the police assaulted and injured some EDL.
    So no, EDL will not be held responsible for the animals that ran amok.
    'Kettled in pubs'? I don't think so.

    The streets are thronging with them. And what's with the assault on police officers? And the broken glass? And the smashed cars? I don't see what you're trying to achieve with these 'protests'. Do you really think a suicide bomber is going to be deterred by this?

    Best leave it to the likes of MI5/MI6 eh? They're probably a bit more aware of terrorist cells than a bunch of football hooligans.
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    Not a slip up, these people will be dealt with and they will not be attending anymore of our demos and their behaviour is disgusting and we won't tolerate it.

    This footage was placed on the net so that we can find out who they are.
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    Overall, yes they're bad. But they're on a par with the UAF and extremist Muslims. Another non-story, really.
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    (Original post by Arthur11)
    Not a slip up, these people will be dealt with and they will not be attending anymore of our demos and their behaviour is disgusting and we won't tolerate it.

    This footage was placed on the net so that we can find out who they are.
    And how are you going to identify these people when many are hooded? Again, what about the individuals who rocked the ambulance (bit dishonourable, isn't it?) and assaulted police officers whilst they were on the ground?

    What are you trying to achieve anyway? A bunch of football hooligans running through the streets is not going to deter suicide bombers, is it? The presence of the British, Pakistani and American armies in Afghanistan hasn't deterred suicide bombers, so why would a few clowns in tracksuits do the trick?

    Why not march at Westminster to convey your 'message' to the government?

    It's a bit like people protesting against serial killers - a protest isn't going to stop them at all.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    'Kettled in pubs'? I don't think so.

    The streets are thronging with them. And what's with the assault on police officers? And the broken glass? And the smashed cars? I don't see what you're trying to achieve with these 'protests'. Do you really think a suicide bomber is going to be deterred by this?

    Best leave it to the likes of MI5/MI6 eh? They're probably a bit more aware of terrorist cells than a bunch of football hooligans.
    Did you know that Choudary and several members of his group were just normal people until they went to Oxford uni, where they were radicalised and this is happening in many other uni's around the country. Kings and the LSE are an example.

    EDL want this stopped before we have yet another generation of youngsters who want to blow themselves up. So we may not stop this generation from doing this but we may stop future ones.

    Did you know that there are at least 85 shari'ah law courts in the UK with legal power to decide on divorce,child custody and inheritance. That some muslim women are forced by their communities to use these instead of a British court.
    Women in this country have and are fighting for equality, is it right that a medieval sharia court can take this from them and with the full backing of this government. It is wrong and EDL fight to have these courts banned.

    We have nothing against the ordinary hard working muslims.
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    (Original post by Arthur11)
    Did you know that Choudary and several members of his group were just normal people until they went to Oxford uni, where they were radicalised and this is happening in many other uni's around the country. Kings and the LSE are an example.

    EDL want this stopped before we have yet another generation of youngsters who want to blow themselves up. So we may not stop this generation from doing this but we may stop future ones.

    Did you know that there are at least 85 shari'ah law courts in the UK with legal power to decide on divorce,child custody and inheritance. That some muslim women are forced by their communities to use these instead of a British court.
    Women in this country have and are fighting for equality, is it right that a medieval sharia court can take this from them and with the full backing of this government. It is wrong and EDL fight to have these courts banned.

    We have nothing against the ordinary hard working muslims.
    Ha! You idiots were attacking the ordinary hard working Muslims. You smashed their cars, you threatened them and you trashed their shops.

    Quite a bit of British law already has Sharia law built into it - some of it is even based on those values. They don't want these laws for us. They want them for themselves and if they all agree it's the process they want to be judge by then go for it. You don't argue against the Jewish courts. There's nothing wrong with civil agreements being handled by courts designed to handle them.

    There is a massive difference between fighting for equality and fighting for equality. One will get you nowhere because the rest of the country will laugh at your silly little ways and the other can get you everywhere if you do it right.

    I think all religions are ass-backward but you don't see me running outside smashing things.
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    (Original post by Arthur11)
    Did you know that Choudary and several members of his group were just normal people until they went to Oxford uni, where they were radicalised and this is happening in many other uni's around the country. Kings and the LSE are an example.

    EDL want this stopped before we have yet another generation of youngsters who want to blow themselves up. So we may not stop this generation from doing this but we may stop future ones.

    Did you know that there are at least 85 shari'ah law courts in the UK with legal power to decide on divorce,child custody and inheritance. That some muslim women are forced by their communities to use these instead of a British court.
    Women in this country have and are fighting for equality, is it right that a medieval sharia court can take this from them and with the full backing of this government. It is wrong and EDL fight to have these courts banned.

    We have nothing against the ordinary hard working muslims.
    I am aware of what the clown called Anjem Choudhury got up to at university. Are you sure he went to Oxford?

    There are numerous moderate Muslims who act as 'informants' within Islamic societies across London universities. Are the EDL sending people undercover to monitor extremism? I thought not! So what exactly is the point they are trying to make.

    To access a 'Shariah' court both parties need to accept a form of Sharia law as a form of judgment. There are Jewish courts in the UK as well. Are you complaining about them? I'm a non-Muslim so even if I had a dispute with the most extreme Islamofascist there was I could always opt to have the case sorted in a conventional court of law.
    Also, certain 'Shariah' practices are obviously not going to be implemented in the UK, since we have signed up to the Human Rights Act - this includes things like beheading, amputations, etc.

    There are organizations to prevent Islamic women from being silenced. Oppression of women is also practised by non-Muslim people. I don't see how this is a specifically 'Muslim' thing.

    If the EDL feel so strongly about having the courts banned, why not go to protest at Westminster? Why Stoke? Why Birmingham? Why Manchester? Why Wrexham? Why Swansea?

    Why not draft a bill advocating the prohibition of all Sharia law courts in the UK? Or is this too much? You can always do this and forward it to your MP to read it in parliament, can't you?

    I think the EDL's explicit intention is to cause trouble - hence the football hooligans. Quite similar to Anjem Choudhury's plan to march through Wootton Bassett. He could have had his march at Westminster, but it was obvious he intended to provoke, which is why he chose Wootton Bassett.

    The EDL's motives don't seem to be too different, do they?

    P.S. Why do they shout 'E-E-EDL' in Swansea/Wrexham when surely there is more likely to be a WELSH presence there? Why not 'W-W-WDL', eh?
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    (Original post by effofex)
    To access a 'Shariah' court both parties need to accept a form of Sharia law as a form of judgment. There are Jewish courts in the UK as well. Are you complaining about them? I'm a non-Muslim so even if I had a dispute with the most extreme Islamofascist there was I could always opt to have the case sorted in a conventional court of law.
    Religion should play no part in British law whatsovever. So yes, get rid of the Jewish courts along with Sharia ones.

    We're all equal before secular law, where Sharia Law ALWAYS discriminates against women. This is a fact before you start any infantile accusations about reading the Daily Mail.

    Personally I think there should be as many Sharia courts in the UK as there are Christian courts in Saudi Arabia. i.e none whatsoever

    (Original post by effofex)
    Also, certain 'Shariah' practices are obviously not going to be implemented in the UK, since we have signed up to the Human Rights Act - this includes things like beheading, amputations, etc.
    The same thing was no doubt said in Nigeria before 1999.

    Then this happened:

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2002/01/0...aria-condemned

    Then it got even better:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/wo...20nigeria.html

    Honour killings are no doubt against the Human Rights Act. Doesn't prevent them from happening does it?
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    Religion should play no part in British law whatsovever. So yes, get rid of the Jewish courts along with Sharia ones.

    We're all equal before secular law, where Sharia Law ALWAYS discriminates against women. This is a fact before you start any infantile accusations about reading the Daily Mail.

    Personally I think there should be as many Sharia courts in the UK as there are Christian courts in Saudi Arabia. i.e none whatsoever



    The same thing was no doubt said in Nigeria before 1999.

    Then this happened:

    http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2002/01/0...aria-condemned

    Then it got even better:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/wo...20nigeria.html

    Honour killings are no doubt against the Human Rights Act. Doesn't prevent them from happening does it?
    I'm not an advocate of Sharia courts. It won't affect anyone (including Muslims) who are involved in a court case UNLESS BOTH PARTIES decide to use a 'Sharia' court.

    Surely then any woman with half a brain would chose NOT to go to a Sharia court? Also, surely EVERY law within the 'Shariat' that is adopted will need to be assessed for its compatibility with current Common Law.

    Under the equal opportunities act you can't just discriminate against women. Surely then the Sharia clause cannot be accepted? Neither can executions (there's no death penalty in the UK), amputations, beheadings, rape within marriage etc, etc.

    All these 'proposed amendments' will need to be passed through parliament. I cannot see any MPs in the UK supporting them. Surely the only way for them to become any form of 'law' would be for a group of extremist Islamofascists to create a de-facto state (enclave) separate from British sovereignty where the common law is completely disregarded.

    The above is not going to happen, is it?
 
 
 
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