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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    Well you can't be certain, the best you can do is speculate (just like you can only speculate the existence of God, it can't be proven or disproven).
    There is no evidence that requires Gods existence.

    It would be nice if there was, but unfortunately i can always get what i want.

    God can never be disproved not because, the answers to the big questions will not everntually be found, but because god and religion makes no predictions about anything, has nothing which can be tested.

    So there really is nothing to disprove.
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    (Original post by vas876)
    God did not tell anyone anything!

    /thread.
    Quite a compelling statement.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    Well you can't be certain, the best you can do is speculate (just like you can only speculate the existence of God, it can't be proven or disproven).
    I guess so, in the same way that I can only speculate on the existence of fairies...
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    I guess so, in the same way that I can only speculate on the existence of fairies...
    :rolleyes:

    Haven't heard that one before.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    :rolleyes:

    Haven't heard that one before.
    Well that's because it's a fair argument.
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    Well that's because it's a fair argument.
    Not really, because it's intended as more of a derogatory statement than an argument. And you can't exactly compare one thing that's almost universally regarded as a myth to another thing that's almost universally regarded as possible, especially when both of them have completely different origins, meanings, functions, purposes, etc.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    Not really, because it's intended as more of a derogatory statement than an argument. And you can't exactly compare one thing that's almost universally regarded as a myth to another thing that's almost universally regarded as possible, especially when both of them have completely different origins, meanings, functions, purposes, etc.
    God v. Santa Claus

    A fair comparison. No?

    Let's take a survey. Who is real?
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    Not really, because it's intended as more of a derogatory statement than an argument. And you can't exactly compare one thing that's almost universally regarded as a myth to another thing that's almost universally regarded as possible, especially when both of them have completely different origins, meanings, functions, purposes, etc.
    It is not intended as a derogatory statement, it is simply a comparison between two beliefs that have similar levels of evidence to back them up.

    Just because religion is universally accepted doesn't make it any more true than believing in fairies.
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    (Original post by UGeNe)
    God v. Santa Claus

    A fair comparison. No?

    Let's take a survey. Who is real?
    No.

    (Original post by iwilson03)
    It is not intended as a derogatory statement, it is simply a comparison between two beliefs that have similar levels of evidence to back them up.

    Just because religion is universally accepted doesn't make it any more true than believing in fairies.
    In that case, I can tell you that I did jumping jacks in my room this morning. I have absolutely no tangible evidence to prove it, so that puts it on the same level as God and fairies, doesn't it? My word is as good as anyone who's ever claimed to have experienced God.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    No.


    In that case, I can tell you that I did jumping jacks in my room this morning. I have absolutely no tangible evidence to back me up, so that puts it on the same level as God and fairies, doesn't it?
    From your view point.

    Why is a god required?
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    (Original post by vas876)
    From your view point.

    Why is a god required?
    For what?
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    No, because God doesn't exist.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    For what?
    Why is god required to exist?
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    (Original post by vas876)
    Why is god required to exist?
    Who said he's required to exist?
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    God did not tell anyone anything!

    /thread.
    This.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    Who said he's required to exist?

    Well if there is no need for his existence, then do you base your belief in god on?
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    In that case, I can tell you that I did jumping jacks in my room this morning. I have absolutely no tangible evidence to prove it, so that puts it on the same level as God and fairies, doesn't it? My word is as good as anyone who's ever claimed to have experienced God.
    What are jumping jacks?

    And no, because if jumping jacks is some sort of game then it is probably entirely plausible. Whereas fairies and God and Santa Claus are.... less so.
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    (Original post by Entangled)
    Hold on, I'll just pop over and ask her.

    Nope, apparently not. Fine cup of tea though.
    This is a lie... the french cannot make good tea...

    (i don't actually like tea, its so bland and boring, just like the french really... :P
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    It is not intended as a derogatory statement, it is simply a comparison between two beliefs that have similar levels of evidence to back them up.

    Just because religion is universally accepted doesn't make it any more true than believing in fairies.
    Just because you don't accept the evidence doesn't mean it's non-existent.
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    (Original post by vas876)
    Well if there is no need for his existence, then do you base your belief in god on?
    Believing in something doesn't mean it's required. It's not relevant anyway, because what I'm arguing right now is the fallacy of comparing the existence of a deity to a known fairy tale. And even that's technically off-topic as well.


    (Original post by iwilson03)
    What are jumping jacks?

    And no, because if jumping jacks is some sort of game then it is probably entirely plausible. Whereas fairies and God and Santa Claus are.... less so.
    The exercise.



    The plausibility of jumping jacks existing doesn't really matter though, the argument here is simply about assertions without evidence. If I were to tell you I was doing jumping jacks in my room and then tell you God talked to me, you're going to believe the first part without any evidence. They may both be just as truthful and real in my mind, but you're still going to decide the second is a lie based on what you believe from your own personal ideology or reasoning. However, neither can be proven so both are equally likely to be false.
 
 
 
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