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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    Pretty rubbish employer if they can't take a few extra seconds out of their day to actually check who they're employing. :p:

    Luckily, I doubt such employers actually exist, because few people would want to work for them, and the company wouldn't last long anyway!
    :rolleyes: Obviously the best candidates get interviewed, and at this stage degree and university is less important. But in getting an interview for a competitive position university is fundamentally important.

    Not interviewing under-qualified candidates isn't being a bad employer, its simply weeding out those who stand a chance from those who don't. Considering they've been around for 50+ years I can't see them going out of business any time soon
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    (Original post by aeonflux)
    Obviously the best candidates get interviewed, and at this stage degree and university is less important. But in getting an interview for a competitive position university is fundamentally important.

    Not interviewing under-qualified candidates isn't being a bad employer, its simply weeding out those who stand a chance from those who don't. Considering they've been around for 50+ years I can't see them going out of business any time soon
    As I've said numerous times in this thread, I accept that some elitist companies DO care about university name. Anyway, this'll be my last response to you specifically, as we're again going around in circles.
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    (Original post by Rimipie)
    what are ex polys?
    Really crap unis, usually ending in 'Metropolitan'
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    it depends what your studying there..

    teaching at nottingham trent is really good, but a maths degree from there wouldn't compare with one from Sheffield, for example
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    As I've said numerous times in this thread, I accept that some elitist companies DO care about university name. Anyway, this'll be my last response to you specifically, as we're again going around in circles.
    And as I've said numerous times, it isn't elitist companies its any decent company which has an extremely competitive applications procedure. But yes, it isn't worth continuing to argue with you, if you'd rather live in a dream world where university reputation doesn't mean anything, thats your prerogative.
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    No, but the Russell Group universities happen to be some of the top universities in the UK. So whereas I don't think that whether or not your university is in the Russell Group has any impact whatsoever on your employability afterwards, if you do go to one of the universities they have listed, it'll be a very worthwhile degree (due to the reputation of the establishment, not Russell Group membership).
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    (Original post by aeonflux)
    And as I've said numerous times, it isn't elitist companies its any decent company which has an extremely competitive applications procedure. But yes, it isn't worth continuing to argue with you, if you'd rather live in a dream world where university reputation doesn't mean anything, thats your prerogative.
    Your right, cpj1987 is wrong.

    Of course the name makes a huge difference its not snobbery, theres no point even arguing that point.
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    Russell group membership doesn't necessarily mean best degrees.

    However some good universities awarding good degrees with sought-after graduates happen to be part of the group. Still, Russell group is by no means a complete set of good unis.

    Name of the uni on your CV matters. It is no secret that some of the most successful companies recruit graduates from specific unis. you're more likely to find chavs in Croydon than South Ken and you have better odds of finding competent employees at Imperial than at Thames Valley. Of course good graduates can come from anywhere, doesn't mean they are equally like to come from anywhere.
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    (Original post by Installation)
    Really crap unis, usually ending in 'Metropolitan'
    Mate, ever heard of Oxford Brookes? Quality university, and offer some fantastic courses. Just because they're former polytechnics doesn't mean they're rubbish.

    Surely the course you study is more important than where you go, and as many people have said Russell group universities are just the top universities for research and get the majority of government funding for research.
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    I can't believe this thread even exists!!! Like people have said before, Durham, Exeter, Royal Holloway, St Andrew's, reading, kent...you have to look at what the individual specialisms for that university are.
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    (Original post by tsobey)
    Mate, ever heard of Oxford Brookes? Quality university, and offer some fantastic courses. Just because they're former polytechnics doesn't mean they're rubbish.

    Surely the course you study is more important than where you go, and as many people have said Russell group universities are just the top universities for research and get the majority of government funding for research.
    Indeed, "mate", I have heard of Oxford Brookes, and I'll stick with my statement.

    Ta.
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    (Original post by CharlotteCoster)
    I can't believe this thread even exists!!! Like people have said before, Durham, Exeter, Royal Holloway, St Andrew's, reading, kent...you have to look at what the individual specialisms for that university are.
    This^

    Look and you'll find some of the number 1 unis in subjects aren't in Russell group.

    A lot are in the '1994 group' that is made of smaller unis with just as important reasearch.

    My opinion is is no way connected to me turning down 3 Russell group unis to go to a non-Russell group uni... honest...
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    I think this thread is pointless, ok so to some people where you got your degree might matter but the way I see it the class of your degree and work experience probably matter more in the end.
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    (Original post by Installation)
    Indeed, "mate", I have heard of Oxford Brookes, and I'll stick with my statement.

    Ta.
    Oh good, you have heard of it. Then you'll probably know that it was better than it's more prestigious neighbour for history recently, offers one of the best PGCE's around and it's graduate prospects are better than many 'proper' universities. Not exactly crap in my book.
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    (Original post by tsobey)
    Oh good, you have heard of it. Then you'll probably know that it was better than it's more prestigious neighbour for history recently, offers one of the best PGCE's around and it's graduate prospects are better than many 'proper' universities. Not exactly crap in my book.
    Ignore him, he's clearly just trolling.
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    I've been applying for graduate schemes recently and I've not seen any that weed out applications based on university. They do weed out based on UCAS points however and most people attending non-Russell Group unis won't have the required 260-300 that seems to be the starting point. But some don't even care about UCAS points. You can't blame your low UCAS point total on the quality of uni however.
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    (Original post by AdHock)
    Ignore him, he's clearly just trolling.
    I'm just saying, I think it's absolute nonsense to label all former polytechnics rubbish.
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    Trolling = having an unfavourable opinion? Fine. Besides, I doubt that most people would pass up an Oxford offer to study History to go to Brookes.
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    I don't think they would turn down Oxford for Brookes. But it doesn't make Brookes a crap university.
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    (Original post by Sephiroth)
    I've been applying for graduate schemes recently and I've not seen any that weed out applications based on university. They do weed out based on UCAS points however and most people attending non-Russell Group unis won't have the required 260-300 that seems to be the starting point. But some don't even care about UCAS points. You can't blame your low UCAS point total on the quality of uni however.
    Well that's bull, there are loads of universitys outside the russel group (If not most) that ask for more then that, even if that didn't include AS-levels/ forth A levels such as general studies or other qualifications.
 
 
 
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