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    (Original post by Jarve99)
    The fact that you brought colour in to it says a lot about you. Not everything is racist. I'm talking about Islam, a belief system promoting negative thought.

    Also, I never said that 'an entire religion causes all the problems in this country', just that it creates new problems.
    What you say here is absolutely right.

    Not everything is racist. 'racist' / 'racism' is the most overused word these days. People try to manipulate others by calling them 'racist'. I mean, Islam isn't even a race, it is a religion.

    I was talking to some muslims on another thread recently and they wanted me to change my sig', I asked them to change theirs and guess what...they wouldn't. They attacked me rather than my argument, I asked for an apology and guess what...no apology.

    Muslims on here need to stop playing the racist card because it simply doesn't apply, and even if it is racist, we have free speech here whether you like it or not.
    Muslims also need to start deliberately accusing people of saying things they didn't say, to divert the issue.
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    The BNP just degrades the political system, other political parties don't have to answer questions about their own policies just what do they think about the BNP. The only good I can see that may have come from their rise is people are talking about immigration now which they were afraid to discuss before, but even their the BNP's presence is degrading the level of debate. They make the issue wholly emotive and it's now a question of nationalism versus liberalism, it's absurd, what about economic policy.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    OK, due to the unbelievable amount of idiocy and ignorance throughout TSR in regards to the BNP, where you seem to immediatley refer to the BNP and anyone who has pride in their country as 'racists' when in actual fact they're not racist and it is not a racist issue. The BNP is in actual fact more concerned with the welfare of Great Britain as a nation rather than protecting 'indigenous' British while shooing foreigners.

    bnp.org.uk
    Look I do not hate BNP because I think they are racist, I hate them because their policies are stupid. Looking at those I managed to
    immediately spot major problems with every single one.

    For some of them there are reasons why they are not implemented. As much as I hate Uni fees, where the **** are they going to get all the money to do that and give the army all their new fancy equipment? None of this **** is plausible thats why its not already happening.

    Also are BNP's genius's aware that social science is a term that covers economics as well as psychology and sociology? Are they saying economics is fake? In that case screw all this recession crap I am going back to believing in the Tooth Fairy.

    I cannot believe that an individual who has the smarts to get into Aston is silly enough to swallow all this pure rubbish?

    Ignoring the fact that BNP fail to see that any country that is as capitalist as ours will collapse with the sudden "return" of immigrants to "their own" country, their policy on Muslims are daft as well. Islam is a religion, it is not comparable with being French or Somalian. Judaism is a Ethno-religious race, Islam is JUST a religion. Therefore are you telling me that we are going to deport a White British Muslim convert to Saudi Arabia? How in Jack *****'s name does that work?

    Can you also not understand the stupidity behind the term "indigenous Brit". It really doesnt work. Wave after wave of invasions and immigration pre-dating the 20th century and going back to the original colonization of the British Isle by a few hundred people, our "race" is a melting pot of other races. We are as indigenous as the average American is to America.

    Dont get me wrong, I think people that dismiss BNP because they are racist are just following fashion and are nearly as stupid as BNPs policies are. You wouldnt (or should I say shouldnt) label Obama a socialist just because ONE of his major policies happens to be a form of socialism. Equally you shouldnt label BNP as racist as it ignores the rest of its catalogue of non nonsensical crappy policies.

    Also I question why Nick Griffin labels LibLabCon as corrupt and elitist? Mistake me if incorrect but didnt he go to private school as well? Surely that makes him as bad as the others? Just because he does a better job of pretending to be "one of the lads."

    Now i dont doubt for a second that you will come back and simply dismiss my argument because I am a "lefty", "liberal" or even "fascist." All this does however is confirm that I am right as you are not able to seriously counteract what I say without assigning it to a word that you believe has negative connotations. I am neither right wing nor left wing but I would happily vote even green party as long as it means that there is no chance of BNPs stupidity turning us into the next Somalia, Aghanistan or a worse failed state.
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    (Original post by Jarve99)
    ...not everyone who votes for the BNP is a racist as some of you believe. Let me repeat that. Not everyone voting for the BNP are racists and only an idiot would assume so...
    Makes no difference. If you supported a political party that wanted to legalise sex with children then it wouldn't make any difference that you didn't care about that particular policy, or didn't know about it, you'd still be supporting them in their aims by voting for them. Ignorance makes no difference. Indeed people who vote BNP and aren't aware of their racist aims, set out clearly in their Constitution, then they are idiots.
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    I find it quite funny when the BNP supporters have a rant at 'lefties' and socialists when in fact, they are essentially a socialist party with a right wing view toward immigration.

    whether any of the members refute otherwise, the BNP play on the central policy that immigration is bad, different cultures are bad and white British people are victims because of it. I will be happy if they get into power. Nothing is more lolsworthy than a country ******* up due to a stupid ideology.
    Anyone see that program on bbc 1 yesterday, 'when the immigrants left' ?....If thats anything to go by, I think I would rather go live back in Canada...
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    (Original post by Phantom_X)
    I find it quite funny when the BNP supporters have a rant at 'lefties' and socialists when in fact, they are essentially a socialist party with a right wing view toward immigration...
    Well, the BNP were created in the image of the original Nazis who were 'National Socialist' an ideology which in practice reduced the 'socialism' to no more than the supremacy of the state. It's therefore misleading to think of the BNP as 'socialist' in any way that makes it 'like' wider contemporary socialism. Besides, if you read the BNP literature they equivocate much as to their economic doctrine, i.e. they offer some socialist sounding bits and some capitalist sounding bits. It's popularism, in the end, tryi9ng to offer everything to everyone in the hope they won't notice the central agenda - an all-white or near-all white society.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    Well, the BNP were created in the image of the original Nazis who were 'National Socialist' an ideology which in practice reduced the 'socialism' to no more than the supremacy of the state. It's therefore misleading to think of the BNP as 'socialist' in any way that makes it 'like' wider contemporary socialism. Besides, if you read the BNP literature they equivocate much as to their economic doctrine, i.e. they offer some socialist sounding bits and some capitalist sounding bits. It's popularism, in the end, tryi9ng to offer everything to everyone in the hope they won't notice the central agenda - an all-white or near-all white society.
    Tbh ive always taken thier manifesto as a bit of a joke.
    I remember comrade Griffin talking about income equality in a BNP leadership, which I saw as quite socialist. Then again, judging by the people hey attract (which is easily evident on facebok sites), most of them dont even know what the BNP stand for, bar for the immigration policy.
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    (Original post by Phantom_X)
    Tbh ive always taken thier manifesto as a bit of a joke.
    I remember comrade Griffin talking about income equality in a BNP leadership, which I saw as quite socialist. Then again, judging by the people hey attract (which is easily evident on facebok sites), most of them dont even know what the BNP stand for, bar for the immigration policy.
    Yeah, their manifestos are liberally sprinkled with blatent popularism. To some extent this has worked, plenty of people defend the BNP, or vote for them, with little regard to their central focus, white-nationalism. Recently Griffin had to concede, lamentingly, that Britain's general white population didn't seem to be supportive of this aim, or even interested in it, yet the BNP Constitution still includes this wording:

    The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples.
    And:

    [The British National Party] is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.
    This statement is the 'brotherhood of whites' kind of thing which lurks at the heart of their being:

    It believes that the indigenous peoples of the entire British Isles, and their descendants overseas, form a single brotherhood of peoples, and is pledged therefore to adapt or create political, cultural, economic and military institutions with the aim of fostering the closest possible partnership between these peoples
    .

    I don't know if I can post a link to their website but simply Googling 'BNP Constitution' should help you find the document if you want to scrutinise it for yourself.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    Yeah, their manifestos are liberally sprinkled with blatent popularism. To some extent this has worked, plenty of people defend the BNP, or vote for them, with little regard to their central focus, white-nationalism. Recently Griffin had to concede, lamentingly, that Britain's general white population didn't seem to be supportive of this aim, or even interested in it, yet the BNP Constitution still includes this wording:



    And:



    This statement is the 'brotherhood of whites' kind of thing which lurks at the heart of their being:

    .

    I don't know if I can post a link to their website but simply Googling 'BNP Constitution' should help you find the document if you want to scrutinise it for yourself.

    hahah yeah I already have, I used it for my Theory of Knowledge presentation when i was in yr 13. Majority of smart people think its a complete joke, and the only reason their support is rising is because of the economic climate imo. Obviously immigrants are to blame ??

    Anyway, even seeng some bnp supporters in my town pub and at rallys, Their mentality is absolutely disgusting, just the fact that some of them are willing to support genocide shows how they havent developed from their Nazi/NF roots.
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    (Original post by Phantom_X)
    Anyway, even seeng some bnp supporters in my town pub and at rallys, Their mentality is absolutely disgusting, just the fact that some of them are willing to support genocide shows how they havent developed from their Nazi/NF roots.
    How exactly do they support genocide?

    They oppose the bloodless genocide that demographic trends predict for British people in the next 100 years.
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    Problem is they have no plans (possibly no intention) to get these 'policies' enacted. They simply don't have to answer questions about how they would do any of these things/if they really intend to because all they do is cower behind a few BNP cliche sentences like, "We can't talk about it because we're denied freedom of speech by the liberal elite." :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by A Dissentient View)
    How exactly do they support genocide?

    They oppose the bloodless genocide that demographic trends predict for British people in the next 100 years.
    Sorry, I meant a lot of their supporters do, as shown through the internet forums. Regardless of this, they are using peoples vulnerabilities and fears to gain popularity.
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    (Original post by A Dissentient View)
    How exactly do they support genocide?

    They oppose the bloodless genocide that demographic trends predict for British people in the next 100 years.
    Just to adress the latter part of your arguement, IMO i beleive that if immigration is capped, then demographic trends will remain similar in 100years. Think about it. Migrant parents of 1st gen might have 4-5 kids, but will those 4-5 kids also have 4-5 kids ? probably not. My grandparents had 6 kids before they moved to england, my parents however only had me. my aunties have had a maximum of 2 children. I myself only want 1.

    Now, if 2nd and 3rd gen migrant children do not wish to breed heavily like thier ancestors, as it is no longer a social blessing to have lots of children, then there wont be a massive influx of migrant children, will there ? Most of my friends who are of immigrant backgrounds do not wish to have 6-7 kids, and therefore I think your theory on the 'bloodless genocide' is invalid. This is my opinion anyway, which no doubt you will now go nuts over.
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    The BNP are disgusting anyone who votes for them is voting for a wolf in sheeps clothing why can people not see that? they are racist they are disgusting they are going to die (hopefully soon)
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    (Original post by Jammydodge)
    The BNP are disgusting anyone who votes for them is voting for a wolf in sheeps clothing why can people not see that? they are racist they are disgusting they are going to die (hopefully soon)

    Were the people who voted for Labour and Conservative politicians post 1947 voting for a wolf in sheeps clothing aswell? They weren't told that they were voting the immigration policies which would lead to a multicultural Britain in 2010 which would have almost 20% of the population non British in extraction.

    When were they given a vote on the demography of the country?
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Were the people who voted for Labour and Conservative politicians post 1947 voting for a wolf in sheeps clothing aswell? They weren't told that they were voting the immigration policies which would lead to a multicultural Britain in 2010 which would have almost 20% of the population non British in extraction.

    When were they given a vote on the demography of the country?
    Are you implying that a multicutrual Britain is somewhat wrong?
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    (Original post by A Dissentient View)
    How exactly do they support genocide?

    They oppose the bloodless genocide that demographic trends predict for British people in the next 100 years.
    in the 1st century bc, retired roman soldiers were settled in north africa. when european crusaders arrived in the middle ages (esp. 1100 to 1200), do you thibk they found large populations of white people? no

    in 500 years time if immigration stops, the population of britain will be all white.

    so what the bnp propose to do will take 500 years. Sounds kind of like the third reich stuff about it lasting 1000 years or whatever.
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    (Original post by samatkins)
    in the 1st century bc, retired roman soldiers were settled in north africa. when european crusaders arrived in the middle ages (esp. 1100 to 1200), do you thibk they found large populations of white people? no

    in 500 years time if immigration stops, the population of britain will be all white.

    so what the bnp propose to do will take 500 years. Sounds kind of like the third reich stuff about it lasting 1000 years or whatever.
    What?

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    (Original post by A Dissentient View)
    What?

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    roman york had black people... those people's ansesters are now white get it?
    (hurah for "the week")
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    If the BNP were to change their name to something more 'democratic'(i.e British Democratic Party or something like that) and were to bin this 'you're not British, you're civically British because you're coloured' crap, I'm sure they'd fair a lot better.

    Some of their policies aren't really that bad, and Nick Griffin, once backed by a few people instead of yelled abuse at, seems like a stronger leader than Brown, Cameron and Clegg combined. I'll admit that people like Tony Benn and George Galloway are light years ahead of all 4 combined, but Nick's not that bad when you remove your black sunglasses and look at the situation with an open mind.

    Britain is becoming overcrowded, had Brown or Cameron said that, people would've probably agreed and wouldn't have called either one a racist.

    When you look at their defence policies, they're pretty much identical to our friends across the pond, bar withdrawing troops from Germany and leaving NATO, which I'm all for.

    Foreign policy, what's wrong with adopting a foreign policy which is in the best interests of the UK? This is exactly what the US does, yet you don't hear people calling Obama a racist do you?

    Immigration, they'd like to deport every illegal immigrant, again, why is this a problem?

    Look at their policies with an open mind and you'll find that they really aren't a bunch of Nazis.
 
 
 
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