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    (Original post by Broderss)
    Have you actually read these?!? You sound more moronic, mate.
    The fact they have a number of decent policies doesn't diminish the fact that the BNP is an entirely racist — not nationalist — party, and that voting for them based on some of their other policies would be like crowning a rapist because he once gave to charity.

    We've seen this happen before. See my earlier comment about the Nazis. You think the Germans thought Hitler would start melting all the Jews when they voted for his German people-centric policies?
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    most of those are just idealist piolicies that no party would reject. what makes the BNP stand out IS their racist policies. if they ever came into power it is the racist policies that would be heavily weighted and the idealist, and therefore extremely difficult, policies that would be pushed aside 'for another day'
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    (Original post by Ryan W)
    There is a middle ground between killing someone and letting them go after a few years.
    It's not only going to stop this sick behaviour, but seeing the government actually being tough on these crimes will deter any one else from comitting them.

    Remember the story of the 13 year old boy who beat and raped a woman? And the 12 year old who raped a 10 year old? Rape just seems like fun and games now to kids as there is no real education against or any proper punishments for committing these crimes.
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    What, just like it does in America?
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    Wouldn't BNP really **** up this country? I might be wrong but wouldn't it destroy the relationship with other nations, perhaps those that are major trading partners of the UK? Probably wouldn't but I'm actually curious.

    I'm referring to the racist policies which you are ignoring btw. Those policies mean **** all when the others are so ridiculous.
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    (Original post by Ryan W)
    The fact they have a number of decent policies doesn't diminish the fact that the BNP is an entirely racist — not nationalist — party, and that voting for them based on some of their other policies would be like crowning a rapist because he once gave to charity.

    We've seen this happen before. See my earlier comment about the Nazis. You think the Germans thought Hitler would start melting all the Jews when they voted for his German people-centric policies?
    Hitler was an exceptional thing. I highly doubt Mr. Griffin would be able to pull something like that off.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    So you're ok to keep letting paedophiles, terrorists and murderers walk out of prison after 3 years with little more than a slap on the wrist to deter them again? You make me sick.

    Look after number one why don't you...
    way to make an assumption which, I never even mentioned, telling me based on your imagination of a statement I didn't make that I made you sick and I was selfish

    waha learn to argue properly and I will learn to look after number two as well and maybe even number 3..
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    (Original post by Suffix)
    Wouldn't BNP really **** up this country? I might be wrong but wouldn't it destroy the relationship with other nations, perhaps those that are major trading partners of the UK? Probably wouldn't but I'm actually curious.
    I think it may destroy the relations with the EU, but at the same time they would build up Britain as a power to fend for itself, rather than completely rely on other countries as we do currently. This would then of course make other nations respect us and want to work with us, a bit like the relationship between us and the USA.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    Have you actually read these?!? You sound more moronic, mate.
    I have read them enough times over and over to judge for myself the fascism that wreaks from them. To be more subtle, its their race related policies. You're not alone 'mate'. Many have tried, here on TSR, to justify the BNP's policies(some), and have failed miserably.
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    (Original post by Ryan W)
    Of course they have lots of agreeable policies. So did the Nazi Party.
    Godwin's law proves right at only post number 10.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    So you're ok to keep letting paedophiles, terrorists and murderers walk out of prison after 3 years with little more than a slap on the wrist to deter them again? You make me sick.

    Look after number one why don't you...
    Have you actually seen the criminal records list of the BNP and its members. Heres a little reminder:
    November 2008 Ian Hindle (left) | details |
    Jailed for three years for having sex with a child

    November 2008 Andrew Wells (right)
    Jailed for two years and three months after admitting engaging in sexual activity with a child and engaging in sexual activity in the presence of a child.

    October 2008 Lockart Kneen | details |
    Fined £150 and £115 after being found guilty of two counts of racially and religiously aggravated harrassment for affixing anti-Islamic stickers to packages he sent out in the mail. He ran an operation selling BNP magazines on the Internet and sent out packages with stickers that read "no more mosques."

    October 2008 Martin Glasgow | details |
    Chesterfield BNP fundholder Martin Glasgow is jailed for 12 months for a racist assault against an Asian man in June 2006.

    October 2008 Anthony Weeks | details |
    Darlington BNP member Anthony Weeks is given a ten month jail sentence, suspended for two years, and ordered to pay £600 in compensation to his victim and order to do 80 hours community service after admitting racially aggravated assault against an Egyptian customer at his place of work, a local cash and carry. After telling his victim that he was a member of the BNP Weeks then shouted "All you foreigners should not be in my country" before punching him. He was spared jail after his victim spoke up for him. The judge stated that "but for Mr Noaman's intervention, you would have gone immediately to prison."

    November 2007 Andrew Kendall | details |
    BNP supporter Andrew Kendall was given an 18 month conditional discharge and fined £200 for putting up a racially-offensive and threatening poster which showed three black men, the words read "Illegal immigrant murder scum" and contact details for the British National Party.

    October 2007 Shaun Jones | details |
    Welsh BNP supporter Shaun Jones is given a six month community order for threatening polling booth staff on 4 May 2007 with a stick after being told he was not registered to vote. He ignored advice from staff who gave him a phone number to call to register and instead continued shouting and swearing at them until he was arrested. He was also made to pay £150 costs.

    August 2007 Dominic Bugler | details |
    Bugler, the BNP candidate for Pelsall ward, Walsall, in the May 2007 elections is arrested and remanded in custody for the possession of an imitation firearm. He is later handed a two-year ASBO earned because he 'caused misery for residents through his violent and drunken behaviour' and which bans him from parts of Pelsall. The Aldridge and Brownhills Housing Trust won an eviction order against him too but he avoided this by moving of his own accord to a new address. Bugler also appeared in court charge with threatening behaviour towards his wife in late August and agreed to be bound over to keep the peace for 12 months for a sum of £200.

    June 2007 Robert Bennett
    Robert Bennett, the convicted gang rapist who oversaw the BNP leafletting campaign in Oldham in 2002, is arrested for his part in a assault on his next door neighbour which began when they ask his son David to leave a BBQ after he began using racist language. David attacked his neighbour after refusing to leave . He returned with his father and the pair subsequently attacked both the male and female neighbour. Robert Bennett who admitted affray was sentenced to 150 hours community service and £250 compensation whilst his son, who also pleaded guilty, was sentenced to 250 hours community service and ordered to pay £500 compensation.

    May 2007 Jamie Sedgewick | details |
    Jamie Sedgewick, a BNP member from Morden is found guilty of screaming racist abuse at an Asian police officer as he was arrested whilst breaking up a fight at the Hideaway Bar, Kingston Road, in March 2006.

    March 2007 David Copeland | details |
    The Appeal Court increases David Copeland's sentence to a minimum of 50 years. The London nail bomber, who had been an active member of the BNP, had originally been sentenced to a minimum term of 30 years for the three bombs he set off in 1999 which killed three people and injured 139 others.

    February 2007 John Laidlaw | details |
    John Laidlaw is sentenced to life after going on a shooting spree in north London in May 2006. He shot Abu Kamara in Upper Street before accidentally shooting Emma Sheridan at Finsbury Park Tube station, as he aimed at a second man. Laidlaw had a string of previous convictions starting at the age of 14. They included property damage, public order offences and 16 counts of theft and possession of knives. He also carried out seven armed street muggings and had been in and out of jail several times. In October 2004 he attacked a black motorist, hurling racist abuse at him. A police report written after Laidlaw was arrested for the attack said he behaved violently in front of officers and was "foaming at the mouth". "In the presence and hearing of the black female gaoler the defendant made racist comments and remarks, stating he was a member of the BNP and that he hated all black people," the document says. He also said he was going to "kill all black people". He was convicted of racially aggravated actual bodily harm and using racist language.

    February 2007 Robert Cottage | details |
    Robert Cottage, a BNP member and former council election candidate, pleads guilty to possessing explosives. He denies, however, as does his co-defendant David Jackson, conspiracy to cause an explosion. The jury are unable to agree a verdict. A retrial will take place in July.

    January 2007 David Enderby | details |
    David Enderby, a BNP councillor in Redditch, is found guilty of assault on three members of his estranged wife's family. He is fined £100 for each assault and ordered to pay £100 costs. His wife later told the local newspaper that he had a history of domestic violence.

    January 2007 Mark Bulman | details |
    Mark Bulman was jailed for five years for setting fire to Swindon's Broad Street mosque. He used a BNP leaflet as a fuse for his petrol bomb.

    December 2006 Richard Mulhall | details |
    Richard Mulhall, the BNP's council group leader in Calderdale, was sentenced to do 200 hours of unpaid work on four counts of benefit fraud. Branding him "thoroughly dishonest", Recorder Felicity Davies said he only escaped jail because relevant legislation was not yet in force when he committed the offences. He was also ordered to pay £2,000 costs and to repay £603.18 in jobseekers' allowance. He had already repaid the housing benefit and council tax benefit. A jury had found him guilty in October of falsely claiming a total of £3,002.95 in benefits by concealing the fact that his partner was working.

    November 2006 Darren Francis
    BNP member Darren Francis is given a five-year restraining order after being found guilty of harassing Sally Keeble, the MP for Northampton North.

    September 2006 Robert McGlynn | details |
    Robert McGlynn, a Swansea BNP activist, is fined £200 plus £200 costs for shouting racist abuse at an Asian woman. He was convicted on evidence from a passer-by. He later loses his appeal against conviction and is ordered to pay a further £140 in costs.

    July 2006 Allen Boyce
    The former National Front Remembrance Day parade bugler Allen Boyce, 73, now a BNP supporter, receives a two-year suspended sentence for giving bomb-making instructions to Terry Collins, a BNP member, who was sentenced to five years in 2005 for conducting a racist hate campaign against the Asian community in Eastbourne.

    May 2006 Angela Clarke
    A former BNP councillor Angela Clarke is fined £200 for resisting arrest during a fracas.

    May 2006 Kevin Hughes
    Kevin Hughes, who acted as election agent for the BNP Redditch councillor David Enderby in May 2006, is sentenced to 30 months in prison for assaulting an Iraqi asylum seeker. The sentence is later reduced to two years on appeal.

    March 2006 Luke Smith
    A former BNP Burnley councillor Luke Smith is imprisoned for 11 months for violent disorder, and a further six months for other violent offences. He is also banned from football matches for six years. Smith was expelled from the BNP in 2003 following an assault on a BNP organiser.

    February 2006 Stephen Bailey
    Stephen Bailey, a Lincoln BNP activist, is convicted of 35 charges of criminal damage and 19 of arson. He set fire to sheds, litter bins and a car and is believed to have vandalised more than 80 cars by slashing tyres and damaging bodywork. Bailey was arrested after police seized computer equipment and documents from his home.

    November 2005 Roderick Rowley
    Roderick Rowley, a former BNP candidate in Coventry, is imprisoned for 15 months after admitting 14 charges of making, distributing or possessing obscene images of children. He is also ordered to register as a sex offender for ten years.

    May 2005 Karl Hanson
    Karl Hanson is fined £400 for possessing heroin and crack cocaine. News of his arrest broke a few days before the May 2005 local elections in which he was a BNP candidate in Huddersfield.

    April 2005 John Cope
    John Cope, a Cheshunt BNP member and election candidate, is fined £750 and ordered to pay £104 costs for harassing an anti-racist campaigner.

    March 2005 Terry Collins
    Terry Collins, a BNP member, is sentenced to five years in prison for a year-long campaign of terror against Asian families in Eastbourne. He claims the BNP "brainwashed" him. Collins, a former Territorial Army soldier, admitted charges of arson, racially aggravated harassment and criminal damage. He also admitted the possession of bullets found in his home and asked for 11 further offences of racially aggravated criminal damage to be taken into account.
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    (Original post by Ronar)
    way to make an assumption which, I never even mentioned, telling me based on your imagination of a statement I didn't make that I made you sick and I was selfish

    waha learn to argue properly and I will learn to look after number two as well and maybe even number 3..
    I don't care to argue politics, I'm just stating the facts. It's up to the individual's ignorance to either intelligently take on board and accept or completely disregard these facts. If you are the latter, I don't understand how you can make an informed judgement or stable argument.
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    The BNP is Christian Zionism in opposition to New Labour's Fabian idealism. Why do you think we need the BNP to survive?
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    i agree with thei crime and justice policies
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    (Original post by goian123434)
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    Are you aware of the other MPs' criminal convictions from other parties? Most of them are worse, and those are only the ones insignificant enough to be confidently released so not to damage their reputation or jeopardise their political standing.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    The BNP is Christian Zionism in opposition to New Labour's Fabian idealism. Why do you think we need the BNP to survive?
    They are the only ones to claim want to implement sensible and beneficial policies.
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    (Original post by R£SP£CT)
    I have read them enough times over and over to judge for myself the fascism that wreaks from them. To be more subtle, its their race related policies. You're not alone 'mate'. Many have tried, here on TSR, to justify the BNP's policies(some), and have failed miserably.
    I better look to recruit elsewhere then...
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    The teaching of a full curriculum of British history. This will instil in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain, and not the cherry-picked politically correct drivel being fed to children today;
    So This means that children should be taught about how britain shipped their own people - oh sorry innocent children, let me correct myself again most ORPHANED BRITISH CHILDREN to australia and how they could not be bothered to even apologise for it, Oh wait they did, what how many years later??
    Its funny how things like that the BNP tend to forget how britain themselve disowned their own.
    Btw did the BNP forget the britain also effed up other nations too? do they remember colonies? and the british empire? and how they forced these countries to speak english? So if the BNP are allowed in power (pssht) they mustn't bother to say that people from jamaica or certain other countries come in because they are not british I mean britain did use to own them and forced their democracy and educational system upon them, so it only seems fair that they are let in as a pay back.
    So screw the BNP and their racism!
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    (Original post by PJ991)
    Godwin's law proves right at only post number 10.
    Ahh, but the discussion did not end at post 10, did it?...
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    Are you aware of the other MPs' criminal convictions from other parties? Most of them are worse, and those are only the ones insignificant enough to be confidently released so not to damage their reputation or jeopardise their political standing.

    Do tell, give specific examples if you can, i would love to know which MPs are child molesters, commit acts of violence on innocent people and are in the possession of firearms and explosives? And don't give the expenses scandal as a criminal conviction because thats not even close in magnitude.
 
 
 
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