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    I don't like the BNP, because they are a socialist government. I dislike capital punishment, no murder is beyond dispute. DNA evidence has a chance of being 1 in a million wrong - but there are 50 million people in the UK.

    I don't like the way they plan to deport all illegal immigrants, it shows they don't care about humans, just British people. And it's easy for a government to chance the boundrys of what's British and what's not.

    I dislike this "- Allow victims of crime full freedom to defend themselves and their property", people > property in my opinion.

    The BNP's economic policies would not work, nor would their foreign policies. When it comes to the last two points, I know my stuff, and I know lots of people who know a lot more than most people. If the BNP did what they said they were going to do, this country would be a wreck.
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    (Original post by Lacuna)
    I think the original poster of this thread is mislead. The BNP have stolen populist polices to hide the absence of theory in their politics
    Everything can sound good in theory though, like secession and the apartheid
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    The HRA has nothing to do with the EU. For ****'s sake.
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    The BNP have a minority chance of getting in to power, so they can promise what they like really, can't they?

    However, saying that: I agree with the policies you've listed. The only problem is that I know that realistically, many of them would be overturned and replaced with more racist ones. I think it's a shame, as like I said the things you've listed are very good ideas and much better than New Labour/Tory ones, but the problem is that they're so inherently racist and really quite unpleasant people. I would hate Nick Griffin to become Prime Minister, as I really dislike him as a person from what I've seen.

    Could you possibly post the 'more racist' policies you deliberately omitted? Their race policies? I'm in agreement with the ones you've posted, but everyone should get a well-rounded idea of what they're proposing!
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    The British National Party are in a great position. Unlike many parties, they are able to say and preach what they please. Not only do they say what they please, but because of the controversial nature of the British National Party they are a dream boat for the media of this country.

    The policies of the British National Party; in some respects, are quite interesting and would not only be politically popular, but could do well for this country. However, some policies; such as deporting all illegal immigrants, is borderline impossible.

    Other policies of the British National Party, scream of devaluing freedoms both social and economic. The economic socialism of the British National Party is something I will not willing accept. The social authoritarianism of the British National Party is something that I will also not accept. However, that does not deny the point that the British National Party do have some interesting and beneficial policies, as well as a peculiar position in British politics and with the media.

    The British National Party is good for Britain for a number of reasons. Firstly, it shows that we still operate a democracy; albeit a diminished one. Secondly, it provides a counter weight to the mainstream parties and thirdly, it has forced Labour to rectify huge issues which it has previously ignored.

    Immigration and the white working class have been consistently ignored by the Labour Government, and as the fear of the British National Party has substantially increased, Labour has reacted and started moving in the direction of rectifying their ignorance.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    I'm trying to illustrate they do have good policies that surpass the ones currently offered by more 'correct' parties, which people seem to overlook due to the racist stigma attached to the BNP. And even the racist ones are nothing to how people seem to believe.
    Go ahead and justify those ones then.
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    So many of their policies are moronically naive, as if written by a teenager who looks at the supposed '100,000 NHS bureaucrats' and thinks 'Why don't we just replace them all with doctors and nurses', as if it was that simple.
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    Everybody looks at the BNP and says stuff like they are lying or whatever. I don't know if they are obviously but they have been pretty open about their views on islam (question time) etc. However nobody stops to think when we talk about the BNP that if they are lying, what have the tories and labour been doing for the past 20 years?

    Its like when Jack Straw accused Nick Griffin of 'putting up a curtain' to cover whats behind it (not exact words used), but I'd love to have been Nick then because I'd just have asked Jack "have labour been completely honest over the last decade"?
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    (Original post by A is for Awesome)
    So many of their policies are moronically naive, as if written by a teenager who looks at the supposed '100,000 NHS bureaucrats' and thinks 'Why don't we just replace them all with doctors and nurses', as if it was that simple.
    Like most BNP "policies" its not thought through or makes sense. NHS bureaucrats keep the NHS organisation working.

    For example, if there were no receptionists in the hospital, no-one would answer the phone or advise patients where to go, if there were no managers, work might not get done and no-one would do the staff rotas or monitor workloads and allocate resources. And most importantly, if there were no-one in finance and payroll, no-one will get paid and the whole place grinds to a halt.
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    Yeah, a lot of this makes sense. I think the Tories should take a couple of these ideas.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    Ahh, but the discussion did not end at post 10, did it?...
    at no point did i suggest it did.
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    Hitler had some good ideas, omit the whole thing about him being a mass murderer plus his other insane beliefs then he didn't look like too much of a bad leader...

    kinda proof you can't just ignore the fact that they still have racist policies.
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    I'm sick of the BNP, the EDL, the UAF, labour & Gordon Brown, the tories and the Lib Dems.
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    No one's asked him why we need them to survive.
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    (Original post by PJ991)
    at no point did i suggest it did.
    Godwin's rule states this.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    Education
    - The teaching of old-fashioned literacy skills (as opposed to clearly failed “modern” teaching methods);
    - The teaching of old-fashioned mathematics skills which have practical application to everyday life;
    - The teaching of a full curriculum of British history. This will instil in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain, and not the cherry-picked politically correct drivel being fed to children today;
    - The abolition of fees and the restoration of full grants to university students studying proper subjects (as opposed to fake "social sciences" );
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    "Old fashioned literacy skills" What are these?

    "Practical applications". So you've just done away with theoretical maths in favour for spreadsheets and Venn diagrams?

    "British history". Does the national pride extend to all the atrocities we've done also, or will those be nicely blanked out. I fail to see the use of this? The term "British pride" is such a redundant term nowadays for the majority of people- especially young people, we don't all plan to be soldiers. But I'm all for history, just not all localized on the history of Britain. And when is this going to be implemented? Primary school? A-level? :confused:

    "Fake social sciences" surely this contradicts some sort freedom to choice rule you've written later on. Again, I disagree strongly with this. I mean firstly- why? And what are these "proper subjects"...

    Meh, I'll be happy to agree with the BNP only when they stop being racist
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    seems a bit idealistic to me mate, sort of thing a 13yr old would come up with. getting rid of 100000 beauracrats etc... yeh sounds great on the surface, but you just made 100000 qualified people jobless. im no expert whatsoever, but i dont think its as easy as just signing a few forms and voila, evertyhing you just suggested happens. there are reasons it hasnt already ykno?
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    OK, due to the unbelievable amount of idiocy and ignorance throughout TSR in regards to the BNP, where you seem to immediatley refer to the BNP and anyone who has pride in their country as 'racists' when in actual fact they're not racist and it is not a racist issue. The BNP is in actual fact more concerned with the welfare of Great Britain as a nation rather than protecting 'indigenous' British while shooing foreigners.

    Here, I have compiled a list of some of the more beneficial policies the BNP has after omitting some of the more racist ones.

    If you disagree that any one of these is not beneficial to the UK, please suggest why you feel like this and if possible suggest other political policies that would be of more benefit.

    Also, discuss the ones you think would absolutely make Britain a better country.


    Immigration
    - Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;

    Crime and Justice
    - Free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket which is stopping them from doing their jobs properly;
    - End the liberal fixation with the “rights” of criminals and replace it with concern for the rights of victims – and the right of innocent people not to become victims;
    - Re-introduce corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals;
    - Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence);
    - Make prisons more austere and make criminals serve their full sentences. Offenders will be made to understand that they are being punished and not rewarded with a state-subsidised holiday for their crimes;
    - Introduce automatic prison sentences for all repeat offenders;
    - Put police back on the streets and remove their current political correctness shackles;
    - Allow victims of crime full freedom to defend themselves and their property;
    - Grant anonymity to those accused of crimes until they are convicted;
    - Make police concentrate on real criminals and serve the public, not the government’s political aspirations;

    Economy
    The BNP plan to rebuild Britain will consist of the following steps:
    - The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries;
    - The protection of British companies from unfair foreign imports;
    - The promotion of domestic competition;
    - Increased taxes on companies which outsource work abroad;
    - The reintroduction of the married man’s allowance;
    - The raising of the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million;
    - The encouragement of savings, investment, worker share-ownership and profit-sharing;
    - Halving council tax by centralising education costs and eliminating multiculturalism spending and unnecessary bureaucracy;
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    Save money:
    - Ending the £4.5 billion a year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan;
    - Ending the untold billions spent subsidising the immigration swindle and all its ancillary costs (benefits, court and jail services, counter-terrorism measures, the “race relations” industry and a host of others);
    - Severely curtailing the tax-subsidised feeding frenzy at Westminster and other levels of government;
    - Cutting back all unnecessary layers of government which have been artificially created by years of politically correct Labour and Tory rule;

    Education
    - The teaching of old-fashioned literacy skills (as opposed to clearly failed “modern” teaching methods);
    - The teaching of old-fashioned mathematics skills which have practical application to everyday life;
    - The teaching of a full curriculum of British history. This will instil in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain, and not the cherry-picked politically correct drivel being fed to children today;
    - The abolition of fees and the restoration of full grants to university students studying proper subjects (as opposed to fake "social sciences" );
    - The improvement of school food as proper meals have been shown to be linked to behaviour and achievement;

    Health
    - Replace 100,000 NHS bureaucrats with doctors, nurses and dentists;
    - Invest sufficient money in the NHS to provide a decent service to the British people;
    - Bring hospital cleaning back in-house and make high cleanliness a top priority;
    - End the scandal of foreign health tourism;
    - Train and pay to retain British doctors, nurses and dentists instead of looting the Third World of staff who are desperately needed in their home countries;
    - Revitalise the healthcare system by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention — low pay.
    - We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them.
    - Finally, more emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets;

    Environment
    - The removal of unsightly overhead power lines from beauty spots and their burial underground;
    - The creation of a bulk transport tax regime that pushes supermarkets to supply more local and seasonal produce;
    - The encouragement of an extensive and rapid switchover to organic and low fossil fuel farming techniques;
    - The banning of the ritual slaughter of animals without pre-stunning, and the sale of such meat;
    - The elimination of the unhealthy, energy intensive and cruel factory farming of livestock;
    - The abolition of all “stealth taxes” and other charges on household rubbish collections;
    - Develop alternative transport fuels such as bio-diesel and hydrogen;
    - Develop renewable energy sources such as off-shore wind farms, wave, tidal and solar energy;
    - Investigate the feasibility of cutting-edge, intrinsically-safe, fast-breeder nuclear stations;
    - Invest in a high-speed, magnetic levitation, inter-city rail network;
    - Allow the building of a new privately-funded airport on reclaimed land in the Thames estuary to reduce the pressure on, and stop the constant expansion of, the South East’s airports;

    Housing & Welfare
    - A BNP government will restore the earnings link with pensions and ensure that elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care in their old age;

    Defence
    - Strengthen our conventional forces;
    - Retain a genuinely independent nuclear deterrent and produce all our weaponry in Britain;
    - Only commit British forces when British national interests are at stake;
    - Preserve and restore our historic County Regiments;
    - Bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since political developments make both commitments obsolete;
    - Close all foreign military bases on British soil;
    - Refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peacekeeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake;
    - Restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service;

    Foreign Affairs
    - Maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.
    - Resolutely oppose the single European currency;
    - Support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures;

    Democracy
    - Abolish “anti-discrimination” laws which prevent people from making a free choice;
    - Abolish the “Human Rights Act” which has been imposed on this country through the European Union, and which is nothing but an excuse to prevent British laws stopping the scroungers of the world parasiting off this nation;
    - Abolish all restrictions on traditional free speech; common law provisions against incitement to violence are the only proper limits in a free society;
    - Reject ID cards, intrusive surveillance and the retention of DNA samples of the innocent;
    - Introduce an English parliament within the United Kingdom;
    - Introduce citizen-initiated referenda whose outcome is binding on Parliament.


    bnp.org.uk
    I'm calling you out. Do you really think the BNP would be good for the economy?
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    OK, due to the unbelievable amount of idiocy and ignorance throughout TSR in regards to the BNP, where you seem to immediatley refer to the BNP and anyone who has pride in their country as 'racists' when in actual fact they're not racist and it is not a racist issue. The BNP is in actual fact more concerned with the welfare of Great Britain as a nation rather than protecting 'indigenous' British while shooing foreigners.
    should probably have stopped reading here, but i'm gonna tear this thread apart cos i'm mega bored
    Here, I have compiled a list of some of the more beneficial policies the BNP has after omitting some of the more racist ones.
    epic fail

    If you disagree that any one of these is not beneficial to the UK, please suggest why you feel like this and if possible suggest other political policies that would be of more benefit.
    you can't vote the BNP into power on the basis of some of their manifesto :rofl:...'its in for a penny in for a pound' mate...



    Immigration
    - Deport all the two million plus who are here illegally;
    well if you can come up with a cost effective solution to move 2 million people, and get other countries to accept them then thats great....

    Crime and Justice
    - Free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket which is stopping them from doing their jobs properly
    oh yeah, we'll just go back to the days when the police stopped the car full of black guys while the actual criminals got away..:rolleyes:

    - End the liberal fixation with the “rights” of criminals and replace it with concern for the rights of victims – and the right of innocent people not to become victims;
    i really don't understand where this 'rights of criminals' ******** comes from...seriously, the only real example of it is 'short sentences', which areactually a symptom of overcrowded prisons

    - Re-introduce corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals;
    when was there ever corporal punishment outside of schools and the forces?????

    - Restore capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute (such as with DNA or other compelling evidence);
    oh yeah, so we'll punish those who have no right to kill, by exercising our right to kill?

    - Make prisons more austere and make criminals serve their full sentences. Offenders will be made to understand that they are being punished and not rewarded with a state-subsidised holiday for their crimes;
    when you've done a stretch in prison yourself, you can come and tell TSR how nice it is inside.....

    - Introduce automatic prison sentences for all repeat offenders;
    that is the de facto case right now really....

    - Put police back on the streets and remove their current political correctness shackles;
    how does 'political correctness' keep them off the streets? :confused:

    - Allow victims of crime full freedom to defend themselves and their property;
    sure, but how will you prove it was self self defence 100% of the time? what if you execute someone for murder when they were just defending theirselves? at about when you release a murderer because you couldn't prove he wasn't defending himself?


    - Grant anonymity to those accused of crimes until they are convicted;
    its usually the media who tells everyone the suspects name, not the police....

    - Make police concentrate on real criminals and serve the public, not the government’s political aspirations;
    what are you on about? :confused:

    Economy
    The BNP plan to rebuild Britain will consist of the following steps:
    - The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries;
    - The protection of British companies from unfair foreign imports;
    - The promotion of domestic competition;
    - Increased taxes on companies which outsource work abroad;
    - The reintroduction of the married man’s allowance;
    - The raising of the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million;
    - The encouragement of savings, investment, worker share-ownership and profit-sharing;
    - Halving council tax by centralising education costs and eliminating multiculturalism spending and unnecessary bureaucracy;
    -----
    Save money:
    - Ending the £4.5 billion a year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan;
    - Ending the untold billions spent subsidising the immigration swindle and all its ancillary costs (benefits, court and jail services, counter-terrorism measures, the “race relations” industry and a host of others);
    - Severely curtailing the tax-subsidised feeding frenzy at Westminster and other levels of government;
    - Cutting back all unnecessary layers of government which have been artificially created by years of politically correct Labour and Tory rule;
    isolationism is working out great for north korea too.....

    Education
    - The teaching of old-fashioned literacy skills (as opposed to clearly failed “modern” teaching methods);
    - The teaching of old-fashioned mathematics skills which have practical application to everyday life;
    - The teaching of a full curriculum of British history. This will instil in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain, and not the cherry-picked politically correct drivel being fed to children today;
    - The abolition of fees and the restoration of full grants to university students studying proper subjects (as opposed to fake "social sciences" );
    - The improvement of school food as proper meals have been shown to be linked to behaviour and achievement;
    well now ur just bringing politics into the classroom....
    Health
    - Replace 100,000 NHS bureaucrats with doctors, nurses and dentists;
    - Invest sufficient money in the NHS to provide a decent service to the British people;
    - Bring hospital cleaning back in-house and make high cleanliness a top priority;
    - End the scandal of foreign health tourism;
    - Train and pay to retain British doctors, nurses and dentists instead of looting the Third World of staff who are desperately needed in their home countries;
    - Revitalise the healthcare system by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention — low pay.
    - We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them.
    - Finally, more emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets;
    the NHS is a shining example of state healthcare......if you don't like it go private

    Environment
    - The removal of unsightly overhead power lines from beauty spots and their burial underground;
    well if you'd done a 'real subject' at school like physics, you'd know that underground powercable cost a hell of a lot of money in terms of implementation, maintenance and mainly power wastage

    - The creation of a bulk transport tax regime that pushes supermarkets to supply more local and seasonal produce;
    the only thing suermarkets should sell is what customers WANT to buy

    - The encouragement of an extensive and rapid switchover to organic and low fossil fuel farming techniques;
    organic food is the biggest waste of money in agriculture

    - The banning of the ritual slaughter of animals without pre-stunning, and the sale of such meat;
    - The elimination of the unhealthy, energy intensive and cruel factory farming of livestock;
    already very illegal

    - The abolition of all “stealth taxes” and other charges on household rubbish collections;
    just putting your foot down on the road to bankruptcy there...

    - Develop alternative transport fuels such as bio-diesel and hydrogen;
    - Develop renewable energy sources such as off-shore wind farms, wave, tidal and solar energy;
    - Investigate the feasibility of cutting-edge, intrinsically-safe, fast-breeder nuclear stations;
    where have you been for the past 10 years? :confused:

    - Invest in a high-speed, magnetic levitation, inter-city rail network;
    better bring back those stealth taxes then....

    - Allow the building of a new privately-funded airport on reclaimed land in the Thames estuary to reduce the pressure on, and stop the constant expansion of, the South East’s airports;
    expansion of an existing airport is a lot easier than building a new one

    Housing & Welfare
    - A BNP government will restore the earnings link with pensions and ensure that elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care in their old age;
    got deep pockets haven't you....

    Defence
    - Strengthen our conventional forces;
    why on earth would we need to do that?!?!?

    - Retain a genuinely independent nuclear deterrent and produce all our weaponry in Britain;
    10 nukes are just as mch of a deterrent as 1000

    - Only commit British forces when British national interests are at stake;
    iraq/afganistan are british national interests, be it anti-terrorism or for oil.....

    - Preserve and restore our historic County Regiments;
    we shouldnt sacrifice combat effectiveness for the sake of tradition, what you gonna suggest next, that we march into battle in bright red jackets carrying muskets? :rofl:

    - Bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since political developments make both commitments obsolete
    actually i'm more scared of russia than the USSR...

    - Close all foreign military bases on British soil;
    another source of income...

    - Refuse to risk British lives in meddling ‘peacekeeping’ missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake;
    yep and if something ever happened here no one would be coming to help...

    - Restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service;
    we simply don't need to, conscription is only neccessary in times of total war

    Foreign Affairs
    - Maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the ‘international community’, or any other country.
    wow, for someone so proud of britain you don't hole it in very high regard atm...

    - Resolutely oppose the single European currency;
    so long as its economically beneficial

    - Support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures;
    how often do you use them? imperial measurements are *****, try using them for anything besides cooking and you'll see why

    furthermore, how many people under the age of 40 do you know who dont prefer the metric system?


    Democracy
    - Abolish “anti-discrimination” laws which prevent people from making a free choice;
    - Abolish the “Human Rights Act” which has been imposed on this country through the European Union, and which is nothing but an excuse to prevent British laws stopping the scroungers of the world parasiting off this nation;
    - Abolish all restrictions on traditional free speech; common law provisions against incitement to violence are the only proper limits in a free society;
    - Reject ID cards, intrusive surveillance and the retention of DNA samples of the innocent;
    - Introduce an English parliament within the United Kingdom;
    - Introduce citizen-initiated referenda whose outcome is binding on Parliament.
    :rofl: the bnp on democracy....:rolleyes:
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    tl;dr.
    Agreed with maybe 5 of their policies last time I bothered to check what they were. Soon as I saw the capital punishment one, and the one about making a promise with the arab world (which made me laugh like hell) I knew I wouldn't be putting my cross in THAT box this election.
 
 
 
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