Firstly, i do apologise if this is in the wrong forum.
We have a group presentation to do for my A-level History course about how americanized we are. Everyone else has got things like music and art, whearas i've drawn the short straw with politics. So my question is:
How americanized are british politics?
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- Thread Starter
- 31-01-2010 12:28
- 31-01-2010 12:33
Recent propositions of televised debates.
Prime minister acting with presidential power - Blair bypassed most of Cabinet and parliament over Iraq.
Separation of judiciary from legislature and executive with the establishment of the Supreme Court - just like the USA's.
Speculation over the introduction of a Bill of Rights in the UK, mirroring the USA's codified constitution.
Tenuously: the proposed reform of the House of Lords meaning a fully elected check and balance over the executive.
- 31-01-2010 12:35
Not very. The President doesn't have to listen to his Cabinet, whereas the Prime Minister has to take into account the Cabinet. The PM has to draw Ministers from Parliament too, where as in the U.S this cannot happen.
However, elections are increasingly Prime Minister oriented, the Prime Minister has gained considerable power from his cabinet since the 1800s (when he was the chairman of the Cabinet and they all ran the country together) and Blair and Thatcher increasingly used methods to bypass Cabinet such as bilateral meetings which is essentially the PM bullying a Minister (the Cabinet isn't there so cannot "stick up" for him/her).
One key thing, Parliament is sovereign in Britain. In the U.S the people are sovereign.
(Original post by alecangeltess)
- 31-01-2010 12:40
Recent propositions of televised debates. Not particularly American, it's a pretty worldwide thing
Prime minister acting with presidential power - Blair bypassed most of Cabinet and parliament over Iraq. - Agree
Separation of judiciary from legislature and executive with the establishment of the Supreme Court - just like the USA's. - Not really Americanised, most countries already had a separate Supreme Court, and it has different functions.
Speculation over the introduction of a Bill of Rights in the UK, mirroring the USA's codified constitution. - Bill of Rights 1689. We done it before them.
Tenuously: the proposed reform of the House of Lords meaning a fully elected check and balance over the executive. - Most other bicameral parliaments already elect their second chambers, it's not particularly American.
(Original post by Teh User)
- 31-01-2010 13:14
My view. A lot of things we perceive as American aren't really. The media dominance of the U.S just makes us perceive this as being 'Americanisation'.
I was referring to the judiciary separation as the 'Americanisation' of exec/jud/leg.
I refer to a contemporary Bill of Rights for the whole of the United Kingdom.
RE HoL, yes, hence the tenuously! But it does hark back to the separation thing.
But yeah, mainly the parliamentary/presidential government disctinction remains strong.
- 31-01-2010 13:20
Separation of Powers / Fusion of Powers
Elected Senate / Unelected Lords
Codified Constitution / None
Supreme Court / EU Court
No manifestos / Salisbury convention
(US / UK respectively)
PM is stronger in domestic affairs, President in foreign.
- 31-01-2010 13:24
The use of 'celebrity' campaigners i.e. Blair's recent statement to operate some spin and campaign for Labour.
Since the Suez canal fiasco we've kinda been in their back pocket through fear then again they are our child nation.
Increasing power of elected PM (think this has been mentioned).
A big opposite would be the lack of a clear political spectrum since Thatcher, we've no left option so to speak (which is of course a good thing).