Turn on thread page Beta

The lack of patriotism and sheer self-hatred on this site disgusts me... watch

    Offline

    4
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Jeremy_Whiskers)
    To the latter post, i believe the point was adressing how patriots view individual achievements as national achievements, and thus believe individuals such as Winston Churchill give some merit or dividend to them.
    That doesn't make sense, because the true patriot would never usually attribute "merit or dividend" to themselves on the grounds of another individual's actions, regardless of their connection to the collective they live within. I typically see identity as hierarchical - I can have my individual identity, and, if need be, I can appeal to the identity I share with my flatmates, the identity I share with my family, the identity I share with fellow British citizens, and, ultimately, the identity I share with the rest of humanity (each one getting less imperative as we go up, and each one being as much a result of "accident of birth" as the other). The fact that Churchill played a part in the story of one of these is purely incidental, but I can still be greatful and proud of the fact that I am also part of this story (just as I can be proud of the fact that genocidal dictators were not, and discontented - not ashamed - of the fact that Mosley was), in the same way that I can be proud of the fact that I'm at a university where the story includes the educating of royalty, the Scottish Reformation and blissful architecture. Then again, anyone who gets their various identities crossed and muddled by justifying their individual behaviour on the grounds of the behaviour of others, just because of some connection they find, are almost as foolish as those who, say, believe that "the individual" is the only form of identity that means anything (because, simply through historical contingency, and in some cases necessity, it isn't).
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ak56)
    The basic ethos of this site is that British patriotism is very negative, we should be ashamed of our behaviour, other cultures have every right to hate us and pick us up on our cultural short-comings, we have no right to critise foreigners because by default everything they do is better than us - they dress better than us, they are more intelligent than us, they are better looking than us, less sexually premocious, society has lower crime, blah blah blah.

    I'm sure you don't care, but I have used this site for years, and I often have to take a break from posting because of the sheer liberal negativity and pompousness, and how quite frankly anti-British this site is, it sometimes does get really grating and depressing to read just how much of the country's youth seem to hate themselves and their culture.

    I suspect 80% of you will eventually grow out of your stupid liberal, apologist, pompous views while the remaining 20% will become aging communists.

    But to me, the sheer level of self-hatred towards your own identity of this website is highly depressing, and definitely goes against what would be considered natural self-preservation and self-respect.
    Your a jumped up ignorant prick. First you believe that recognition of a countries faults automatically places them as unpatriotic.

    Secondly, unless you are funny in the head surely you will realize the sheer number of "I HATE IMMIGRANTS" or "MUSLIMS ATE MY BABIES" type threads.

    Finally but not only, you link liberals with negativity and finally communism. You also seem to indicate that there are two types of people, those who are right that follow your views and those that are wrong, who don't follow your views. the world is not black and white my friend. I am proud of my country yet I am ashamed of the ignorance and hypocritical crap that many like yourselves seem to blindly spew.

    Just because you are ashamed of aspects of your country does not make you unpatriotic, and your calling others pompous? Oh show us the right way forward enlightened one. Your obviously so smart and clever thats why your moaning on an Internet forum for students
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Skye333)
    Well... it is a prblem site basically, so eveyone hates stuff.

    I love this country though, so good for this thread, people piss me off so much :mad:, saying it's a crap hole, go off and live somewhere with no NHS or dole money then, huh?
    This describes my feelings completely, if someone wants to moan about "how the country has gone to the dogs" because of immigrants, the government, the youth of today or whatever then please kindly **** off, their negativity is ruining it for the rest of us.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    That doesn't make sense, because the true patriot would never usually attribute "merit or dividend" to themselves on the grounds of another individual's actions, regardless of their connection to the collective they live within. I typically see identity as hierarchical - I can have my individual identity, and, if need be, I can appeal to the identity I share with my flatmates, the identity I share with my family, the identity I share with fellow British citizens, and, ultimately, the identity I share with the rest of humanity (each one getting less imperative as we go up, and each one being as much a result of "accident of birth" as the other). The fact that Churchill played a part in the story of one of these is purely incidental, but I can still be greatful and proud of the fact that I am also part of this story (just as I can be proud of the fact that genocidal dictators were not, and discontented - not ashamed - of the fact that Mosley was), in the same way that I can be proud of the fact that I'm at a university where the story includes the educating of royalty, the Scottish Reformation and blissful architecture. Then again, anyone who gets their various identities crossed and muddled by, for example, justifying their individual behaviour on the grounds of the behaviour of others are almost as foolish as those who believe that "the individual" is the only form of identity that means anything (because, simply through historical contingency, it isn't).
    Are these not contradictory?

    There is a definate objective fondness and sense of belonging to one's habitat and the localities of which an individual is used to, this is wholly natural and a part of social identity, however i simply don't think this warrants prejudice or ethnocentrism, especially when forwarded in the confines of abritrary borders.
    Offline

    2
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by ak56)
    The basic ethos of this site is that British patriotism is very negative, we should be ashamed of our behaviour, other cultures have every right to hate us and pick us up on our cultural short-comings, we have no right to critise foreigners because by default everything they do is better than us - they dress better than us, they are more intelligent than us, they are better looking than us, less sexually premocious, society has lower crime, blah blah blah.

    I'm sure you don't care, but I have used this site for years, and I often have to take a break from posting because of the sheer liberal negativity and pompousness, and how quite frankly anti-British this site is, it sometimes does get really grating and depressing to read just how much of the country's youth seem to hate themselves and their culture.
    How can I love my country when a socialist Scottish tyrant is running it into the ground???

    I want something to be proud of, I want to be able to stand up and say, "I'm British and proud". But when a man in London is going to try and make me carry an id card under threat of arrest, or expose my naked body to the scrutiny of whatever voyeur is at Heathrow, or take away my civil liberties for nothing - well how can I be proud of that? Politicians force Britain into eating this or that, tries to stop us drinking, stop us smoking, stop us doing the very things that we have an inalienable right to do. Added the country is in recession, the government has ruined the education system, universities have no funding, and government policy on every socio-economic problem has been lowest common denominator laws and robbing from the moderately well of and giving to the poor immigrants.

    What's there to be proud of?
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by loafer)
    no. you are a victim of far-right propaganda.


    i suppose you are one of the nutters who believe that muslims will rule the nation in 10 years, think that PC actually exists and being patriotic is illegal - the kind of person who starts sentences saying - "why aren't we allowed to [insert something that is definitely not frowned upon like 'be british/fly the union jack'].
    I don't understand this? Thx
    Poll
    How are you feeling in the run-up to Results Day 2018?
    Useful resources

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Write a reply...
Reply
Hide
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.