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    I couldn't care less about it to be honest. If I want to see pictures of tits, I'll just go on the net.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    Come on, fighting and stealing is a completely different crime to rape.

    If you think someone needs to have a mental disorder to steal or fight then you are probably the one with a mental disorder.

    I don;t think you even need to have a mental disorder to rape, i think it occurs among men who have a sense of enetitlement to women but are rejected by them. Although some rapists are probably great at pulling ladies, but they get some sort of kick out of it. I guess its simialar in a sense to any form of fetish, very simialar to BDSM infact. Sexual domination of another person particularly one you feel alienated from.


    All men see women as sexual objects, unless theya re gay or have no sexual interest.
    I wasn't saying it was a necessity in order for one of these crimes to take place, I was saying its a potential cause.

    But there's the problem, you've said it yourself; men with a sense of entitlement to women. Then its not the woman's fault its the rapist's, clearly. Also, its even worse if they are getting some kick out someone else's pain if it isn't in a mutual sense, thats a sign of a psychopath. I say in a mutual sense because obviously if a couple are into kinky sex that doesn't make it wrong, whereas rape is a situation whereby one of them hasn't consented. It also seems to me that a rapist has to have some degree of a control complex to do that to someone who doesn't want it.

    Also, if all men saw women as sexual objects then a functioning relationship would be impossible. This seems to be something about yourself which you assume about all other men. I am attracted to women, and like anyone else sex is something that appeals to me but that doesn't mean I can't look past these facts and just be friends with girls or have a relationship in which sex is only part of something more significant.
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    (Original post by DJkG.1)
    Ignore that guy please. I don't think he quite understands your POV.

    (Don't want you getting a bad image of Muslims, but you seem too intelligent to get that bed impression from one person).
    Of course one guy wont influence my impression of over a billion people. With a lot of genuine Muslim hatred around right now it's probably understandable to be a little defensive anyway.
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    (Original post by Nicole89)
    You are sick. What an evil, disgusting thing to say. If a man can't take rejection then they live with it just like a woman would.

    If they did what you suggested then they should be castrated and undergo a penectomy.

    Frankly, if you think men should do it to get back at women just to 'See how arrogant they are then' thats just childish. Grow up please.

    Haha, you call me sick but you want to mutilate the genitals of men who have raped?

    Now that is sick.

    If i hit on a girl in a club and she is rude to me, i would be laugh if i found out the next day she got raped. Serve her right.

    I don't blame you for thinking the way you do, i'm sure you love it when guys hit on you in a club and you can be rude to them and laugh about it with your friends.
    Also the idea of a guy you don't like having sex with you perhaps a guy you rudely turned down earlier that night is probably a horrible thought for you... probably why you want them to be mutilated.

    However for me i am sometimes that guy who does rudely get turned down, a little ego boost for a girl who and then she can compare with her friends and laugh about how she turned me down....

    Then frankly i would laugh if some guy raped her later on that night, ***** deserves it.

    Humiliation isn't a great way to build empathy for yourself.

    I love sandeeps sig, a good example.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    America and South Africa have the highest rape statistics...
    That might have something to do with the fact that these countries regard rape as a crime in the first place.

    To suggest that rape/sexual assault is more of a problem in the West than it is in places where women are seen as subhuman and that sex is a male right/the perfectly acceptable norm is ridiculous. The very idea of 'rape' as a serious crime, and the fact that a woman has any autonomy over her own body is actually quite a modern one in the West.

    The 'immigration' point is a valid one. How can anyone possibly expect a young man, born and brought up in a culture that knows nothing of women's rights, to come into this country and suddenly regard women with respect? The scale of immigration preventing integration, as immigrant communities stay isolated from the mainstream just makes things worse. I genuinely believe that immigration is the biggest threat to the actually very recent and deceptively fragile concept of the rights of women in this country.

    The idea that a woman actually has the right to deny you, even if you ask her nicely, is something that alot of men seem to find it difficult to get their heads around. I think that unless a little boy is brought up to respect girls/women, and to find rape disgusting, there's little that can be done to reverse the damage.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    There is clearly a connection, although unprovable, between the rising tide of sexual crime and page three. The constant mass circulation of such images must, in some way, influence sexual attitudes and the sexual climate of society. These pictures portray women as objects of lust and sexual desire, and do not portray sex in a tender or private manner. They completely undermine any social progress towards 'equality of the sexes' as they propagate the notion that women are objects, rather than people with the right to be respected.

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    No, boobs are good.
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    It's not rape if you should surprise first.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    There is clearly a connection, although unprovable, between the rising tide of sexual crime and page three. The constant mass circulation of such images must, in some way, influence sexual attitudes and the sexual climate of society. These pictures portray women as objects of lust and sexual desire, and do not portray sex in a tender or private manner. They completely undermine any social progress towards 'equality of the sexes' as they propagate the notion that women are objects, rather than people with the right to be respected.

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    The bit in bold was my favourite bit.
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    (Original post by qwerty1111)
    That might have something to do with the fact that these countries regard rape as a crime in the first place.

    To suggest that rape/sexual assault is more of a problem in the West than it is in places where women are seen as subhuman and that sex is a male right/the perfectly acceptable norm is ridiculous. The very idea of 'rape' as a serious crime, and the fact that a woman has any autonomy over her own body is actually quite a modern one in the West.

    The 'immigration' point is a valid one. How can anyone possibly expect a young man, born and brought up in a culture that knows nothing of women's rights, to come into this country and suddenly regard women with respect? The scale of immigration preventing integration, as immigrant communities stay isolated from the mainstream just makes things worse. I genuinely believe that immigration is the biggest threat to the actually very recent and deceptively fragile concept of the rights of women in this country.

    The idea that a woman actually has the right to deny you, even if you ask her nicely, is something that alot of men seem to find it difficult to get their heads around. I think that unless a little boy is brought up to respect girls/women, and to find rape disgusting, there's little that can be done to reverse the damage.
    Or perhaps these countries have a higher number of men who consider rape acceptable. I believe 1 in 4 south African men have raped a woman.


    From what i ahve seen muslim cultures have a higher respect for women than western culture where women are basically defined by how good looking they are and made into sex objects all the time.

    I understand women in muslim countries do not have the same rights as women in the west but if anything they are sexualised much less. Perhaps that could be an argument for muslim men having elss respect for western women, they see them as sexualised and soiled hence have no respect for them.

    I am a firm athiest by the way and i fully support the sexualisation of women.
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    (Original post by Joy Division)
    But...where would 11 year old boys get pictures of naked ladies from?
    PE Teachers' Coats.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    If you think page 3 is a problem you have no clue. Boys from a young age are viewing pornography that makes page 3 look innocent from a young age now.

    Page 3 is a joke. If i wanna look at girls its definetly not in such a soft core way.

    Women are sex objects, men have sex with women and thus we see them as sex objects, they appear to like being seen in this light aswell.

    Sex is not necasarily tender and is only as private as you choose.

    Who says equality of the sexes is progress? Men and women are equal under law (allegedly) however as men and women we are not equal as people, we are different, as logn as we have sex with each other that will never change.


    There is no connection between sex crime and page three. I however do believe there is a connection between sex crime and the level of rights women have in society and how women reject men.

    Socities where women enjoy a lot of rights have high sex crimes because many men feel like they ahve lost power over women, this problem is then made worse when men make advances on women and are rejected often not in the nicest of ways. This rejection alienates men from women and often makes them angry resulting in sex crimes.

    It has been proven sexual rejection by women is foten the root cause of rape.

    You're an idiot.
    You think women are to blame for being raped? I'm really praying you're a troll because if someone actually believes that BULL****, it's very worrying.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    Haha, you call me sick but you want to mutilate the genitals of men who have raped?

    Now that is sick.

    If i hit on a girl in a club and she is rude to me, i would be laugh if i found out the next day she got raped. Serve her right.

    I don't blame you for thinking the way you do, i'm sure you love it when guys hit on you in a club and you can be rude to them and laugh about it with your friends.
    Also the idea of a guy you don't like having sex with you perhaps a guy you rudely turned down earlier that night is probably a horrible thought for you... probably why you want them to be mutilated.

    However for me i am sometimes that guy who does rudely get turned down, a little ego boost for a girl who and then she can compare with her friends and laugh about how she turned me down....

    Then frankly i would laugh if soem guy raped her later on that night, ***** deserves it.
    Just for the record I'm not having an attack at you, just at your opinions. I had no idea we were talking about you being the one needing the ego boost.

    Mutilating the criminal is a bit extreme but then so is rape. It shocks me to think that you support rape of women.

    And...it may be beyond your own thinking capacity but have you never thought that people 'like me' don't actually laugh at guys in clubs? Believe it or not when my friends and I go on a night out we don't do it so we can go man baiting. Now in your opinion that might be a rarerity but please don't make assumptions.

    Laughing at a person isn't cause for the 'victim' to then go and do something so positively disgusting and degrading as what you are suggesting. And I've seen plenty of men laughing at women in clubs-because they are not the perfect size for them or whatever-but these girls wouldn't try and attack the men would they???

    Please, if you ever have sons, don't teach them that what you are saying now is right. And I don't think your wife would agree either.
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    Of course one guy wont influence my impression of over a billion people. With a lot of genuine Muslim hatred around right now it's probably understandable to be a little defensive anyway.

    I hope you're not implying i am muslim. I am anti-religion.
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    (Original post by FootPrints)
    You think women are to blame for being raped? I'm really praying you're a troll because if someone actually believes that BULL****, it's very worrying.

    These are my genuine opinions, however they are opinions i would never say in real life.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    However for me i am sometimes that guy who does rudely get turned down, a little ego boost for a girl who and then she can compare with her friends and laugh about how she turned me down....

    Then frankly i would laugh if some guy raped her later on that night, ***** deserves it.
    If someone raped your daughter/sister/mother, and used 'I asked, but she turned me down in disgust therefore she deserved it' as an excuse, would you be any less likely to want to kill him?
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    Or perhaps these countries have a higher number of men who consider rape acceptable. I believe 1 in 4 south African men have raped a woman.
    Poor woman, she really deserves a break.
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    Admirable attempt at White Knighting here but making the connection between Page 3 and rape is hilariously dumb. I'm sorry but what bonehead looks at Page 3 and looks at ALL women as sex objects?????

    I personally have NO interest in looking at Page 3 as I find tits rather boring to look at but calling for it to be banned on the grounds it's too sexual is incredulous. What's sexual about Page 3? It's about as sexual as a bag of soggy fish and chips.

    I don't think it should be banned at all, and I don't think it cast any aspersions over women as being sex objects at all. Sad if you seriously think it does. Now banning The Sun, that's a more interesting question.....
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    I realise women can't just accept any sexual advance. However unlike your false belief that page 3 contributes to sex scrimes, there is proven evidense showing sexual rejection leads to sex crimes.
    So i just brought up a fact.

    I'd advise women not to be so callous when they turn down men, otherwise they might get raped. Frankly i think some of them deserve it.

    See how arrogant they are then.
    A lot of the time women don't know the person who raped them. I certainly didn't know the freak who tried to push me in a bush and get his hands up my skirt when I was walking home from school a few years ago. I hit him and ran, by the way.

    Women have as much right to turn down men as men do women. We get rejected just as often, so I am afraid, that is no excuse.

    To the OP, I don't know whether page 3 contributes to the amount of sex crimes but I certainly think it makes women look cheap and easy. I quite frankly do not want that stereotype attached to me or any other woman because I think we deserve more respect than that.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    These are my genuine opinions, however they are opinions i would never say in real life.
    Haha. I've been debating with a troll! You wouldn't say your opinions in real life. That sounds about right! Haha :rolleyes:
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    no

    although I do hate liberals.

    Where do I stand?!
 
 
 
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