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    (Original post by Nicole89)
    Just for the record I'm not having an attack at you, just at your opinions. I had no idea we were talking about you being the one needing the ego boost.

    Mutilating the criminal is a bit extreme but then so is rape. It shocks me to think that you support rape of women.

    And...it may be beyond your own thinking capacity but have you never thought that people 'like me' don't actually laugh at guys in clubs? Believe it or not when my friends and I go on a night out we don't do it so we can go man baiting. Now in your opinion that might be a rarerity but please don't make assumptions.

    Laughing at a person isn't cause for the 'victim' to then go and do something so positively disgusting and degrading as what you are suggesting. And I've seen plenty of men laughing at women in clubs-because they are not the perfect size for them or whatever-but these girls wouldn't try and attack the men would they???

    Please, if you ever have sons, don't teach them that what you are saying now is right. And I don't think your wife would agree either.
    Its ok, i don;t mind you attacking me. I don't blame you for hating my thoughts.

    You say raoe of women like i support the rape of all women, not the case. Only certain women deserve that sort of treatment.

    Perhaps you're not like that, but ofcourse i am reffering to *****y girls who try and humiliate you. I do not care for them at all.

    I am not a woman so am not bothered by the actions of men, nor do I act like that.
    I guess you have a lot more empathy for people you dislike.

    I don't want to get married or have children.
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    It's not the papers fault its societies, I am only 26 but I used to randomly open to page 3 as a teenager, didnt think much of it, thought the girl was pretty and was intrigued but never say got aroused.

    I admit I have seen porn before including British porn channels, the problem is many girls these days are a bit spoiled emotion wise and get told how gorgeous they are but also are slightly insecure over this so have a lot of sex or like to do soft or hardcore porn.

    Just think how easy it is for women to get their clothes off and get some cash these days, its attractive to them to get a substantial amount of cash for something that they "enjoy" as well as think they are special
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    (Original post by Nicole89)
    Haha. I've been debating with a troll! You wouldn't say your opinions in real life. That sounds about right! Haha :rolleyes:

    Yes, because i realise the reaction i will get from most people. I am a smart guy with a bright future, i wont upset people around me. Let them think i am a lovely guy.

    This is my genuine opinion though.
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    (Original post by qwerty1111)
    If someone raped your daughter/sister/mother, and used 'I asked, but she turned me down in disgust therefore she deserved it' as an excuse, would you be any less likely to want to kill him?

    I would kill that person. I would not want to, i would.

    You ahve to take responsibility for your actions, if you want to rape someone you must be aware that there may be consequences.
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    I don't see a problem with it. People are so desensitized to these things nowadays anyway :\
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    I do think it's a bit over the top, or open for concern to say the least, that the most popular tabloid newspaper in the country has soft-core on the third page. However, page 3 tends to cater to the typical 'Sun' reader.

    To quote the immortal Yes, Prime Minister: "Sun readers don't care who runs the country, so long as she's got big t*ts".

    I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't care about it if The Sun wasn't so popular though.
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    (Original post by Ewan)
    I don't see a problem with it. People are so desensitized to these things nowadays anyway :\
    I agree. Page 3 has been around for ages and is completely harmless. You also have to remember that the models who participate weren't forced at gunpoint, and even enjoy it. For those who say they "don't get why it exists", what kind of a stupid question is that to ask! Some men like to see pictures of a topless women, myself included. Sex sells. Shock horror. I'm young, single and miserable. I don't buy the Sun, I just go on the Page 3 website. Sue me. That doesn't mean I only see women as sex objects, that isn't the case at all. The last thing I want to hear is some "holier than thou" rubbish from a guy or girl who thinks I'm a sick pervert just because I do a typically young male thing. Personally I agree with the person who said that having Page 3 in the most popular newspaper is a little OTT, but I wouldn't ban it outright. Move it perhaps. Compared to stuff you can find on the internet, Page 3 is CBeebies material, and I oppose banning it. The last time I was in France, they had magazines with topless women on the front page, completely uncensored. These magazines also weren't even top-shelved.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    Yes, because i realise the reaction i will get from most people. I am a smart guy with a bright future, i wont upset people around me. Let them think i am a lovely guy.
    Yeah thats what worries me. You will gain the trust of a woman then pounce...thats how some of them work. Of course I don't hate you, I don't even know you. I'm just heavily at odds with your view point. You are right, I'm not the sort of girl that humiliates blokes on a night out and I don't agree with the girls that do-just like I don't agree with men doing the same thing. I just don't think anyone deserves that sort of treatment. The world isn't perfect but there is no need to try and make it even less perfect by condoning that behaviour towards any woman (no matter what she wears or hows she looks).

    You don't want children now but what about in the future-if you have one will you feel bad about these opinions or will you keep them secret and never let your son know that you've expressed these vile opinions??

    I don't hate many people and I wouldn't want to harm someone for something as petty as turning me down in a club. Rejection is part of life but eventually most people settle down with someone and certainly won't feel the need to act by your view point.

    Anyway we've gone off topic. Thanks for the debate but its really not worth us arguing any more...we'll obviously never agree with each other. I don't agree with crime.
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    (Original post by Nicole89)
    Yeah thats what worries me. You will gain the trust of a woman then pounce...thats how some of them work. Of course I don't hate you, I don't even know you. I'm just heavily at odds with your view point. You are right, I'm not the sort of girl that humiliates blokes on a night out and I don't agree with the girls that do-just like I don't agree with men doing the same thing. I just don't think anyone deserves that sort of treatment. The world isn't perfect but there is no need to try and make it even less perfect by condoning that behaviour towards any woman (no matter what she wears or hows she looks).

    You don't want children now but what about in the future-if you have one will you feel bad about these opinions or will you keep them secret and never let your son know that you've expressed these vile opinions??

    I don't hate many people and I wouldn't want to harm someone for something as petty as turning me down in a club. Rejection is part of life but eventually most people settle down with someone and certainly won't feel the need to act by your view point.

    Anyway we've gone off topic. Thanks for the debate but its really not worth us arguing any more...we'll obviously never agree with each other. I don't agree with crime.
    I will gain the trust of a woman and pounce? Are you under the impression i can't get girls and its only a matter of time until i trick one into liking me?
    I get lots of girls. I get the girls being *****y to me cause when i go out i chat up lots of ladies.


    We are different people you're a nice girl who wants everyone to be happy, whereas i don't care. Last night i started a fight on two guys after kissing one of there girlfriends haha. If they didn;t get scared i would have beaten them to a pulp.


    I don't ever want kids, i defiently don;t want a wife. I want to become a banker, drive a ferrari and have sex with high class prostitutes.

    If i ever had a son they certainly would not be to your taste haha.... i guess the lesson is don;t have babies with me. Haaha.

    I'd happily see these girls raped, i hate them *****es... think they're too good for me.
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    (Original post by Varciani)
    How about... wait, this may be a little too outside the box here, but I'll go along with it anyway, sorry if the idea doesn't catch on at first... You just don't buy the Sun?

    Wait, no, that'd be too obvious.
    where's the video clip in your sig from? frickin hilarious
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    (Original post by Nicole89)
    Yeah thats what worries me. You will gain the trust of a woman then pounce...thats how some of them work. Of course I don't hate you, I don't even know you. I'm just heavily at odds with your view point. You are right, I'm not the sort of girl that humiliates blokes on a night out and I don't agree with the girls that do-just like I don't agree with men doing the same thing. I just don't think anyone deserves that sort of treatment. The world isn't perfect but there is no need to try and make it even less perfect by condoning that behaviour towards any woman (no matter what she wears or hows she looks).

    You don't want children now but what about in the future-if you have one will you feel bad about these opinions or will you keep them secret and never let your son know that you've expressed these vile opinions??

    I don't hate many people and I wouldn't want to harm someone for something as petty as turning me down in a club. Rejection is part of life but eventually most people settle down with someone and certainly won't feel the need to act by your view point.

    Anyway we've gone off topic. Thanks for the debate but its really not worth us arguing any more...we'll obviously never agree with each other. I don't agree with crime.
    Exactly! If you feel the need to get back at a woman by raping her because she turned you down in a club, you have serious issues!! That is such a petty thing in life, when you are in the big bad world, **** happens, you have to move on I'm afraid. Getting back at people for something as stupid as that is what kids do in primary school! (obviously not to the extent of rape but the principle is still there)
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    While I agree with the above post I think the original subject has been forgotten somewhat. I think linking Page 3 with sexual assault is a bit like linking murders with violent computer games - it really depends on the person's condition and the aforementioned link isn't very concrete at all since there are many more factors that have greater influence on the person's actions.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    These are my genuine opinions, however they are opinions i would never say in real life.
    Well then you're just a coward aren't you? Hiding behind an internet persona.
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    (Original post by FootPrints)
    Well then you're just a coward aren't you? Hiding behind an internet persona.
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    (Original post by FootPrints)
    Well then you're just a coward aren't you? Hiding behind an internet persona.

    Its called being smart. I'm sure you'd enjoy the diea of me somehow being punished for my opinions.
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    (Original post by Wolfos)
    Aha! Repped :yep:
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    I completely agree. It is disgusting and deeply harmful to society that women's bodies are objectified and sexualised in such a mainstream way.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    I will gain the trust of a woman and pounce? Are you under the impression i can't get girls and its only a matter of time until i trick one into liking me?
    I get lots of girls. I get the girls being *****y to me cause when i go out i chat up lots of ladies.


    We are different people you're a nice girl who wants everyone to be happy, whereas i don't care. Last night i started a fight on two guys after kissing one of there girlfriends haha. If they didn;t get scared i would have beaten them to a pulp.


    I don't ever want kids, i defiently don;t want a wife. I want to become a banker, drive a ferrari and have sex with high class prostitutes.

    If i ever had a son they certainly would not be to your taste haha.... i guess the lesson is don;t have babies with me. Haaha.

    I'd happily see these girls raped, i hate them *****es... think they're too good for me.
    We all knew this was all because of a personal vendetta.

    It's the people like you who chat up everyone in a club and are really persistent about it, who are the ones more likely to get rejected in a more nasty way. Most women are just trying to protect themselves from creeps and sleezeballs. Some women, including me, do not want to be chatted up in clubs by randomers for whatever reason (maybe even due to a previous experience of rape etc) and if the randomer can't take a polite no, then a more nasty rejection has to be given to get the message across. I know that not all people in clubs are looking for a one night stand or a quickie in the alley, but to protect myself, I couldn't trust any randomer that came up to me in a club.

    I'm glad I am in a long term relationship already to be honest, I don't feel like bait anymore especially when my bf is with me.

    Maybe my views are all biased because I have nearly been in a rape situation, but I just feel that I can't really trust a guy until I have been friends with him for a while, and it could be people like me who reject men politely in clubs and then get all defensive when the guy persists on chatting them up and you are taking that as rudeness.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    I would kill that person. I would not want to, i would.

    You ahve to take responsibility for your actions, if you want to rape someone you must be aware that there may be consequences.
    So rape then murder, for the sake of an insensitive rejection?

    People need to take resposibility for themselves. The idea that a girl deserves rape for being obnoxious is not a million miles away from the godknows how many kids who get stabbed or shot just for offending someone... some people have such a flimsy grasp on their own self esteem that as soon as anyone slights them, however trivially, they react in the most disproporionate way and need to destroy the person responsilbe for making them feel bad.

    The reason you feel like that is down to you and your own thin skin, maybe she's gay, or married, it doesn't matter. You just dust yourself off and try again. It's no big deal for most people. If it gets to you that much you need to man up.

    I don't mean 'you' btw, guys like that in general.

    And for what it's worth, if a girl wants to get her tits out, and she's doing it of her own free will then go for it, and it doesn't automatically render her a 'dumb *****'.
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    (Original post by mechazoid)
    Its called being smart. I'm sure you'd enjoy the diea of me somehow being punished for my opinions.
    It's not smart in any way, it's cowardly.
    As much as I completely disagree with you and think that everything you've posted is absolute **** of the first order, no I wouldn't want you 'punished'. It's called freedom of speech okay? Something you think I ,as a woman, shouldn't be allowed presumably (after all, our freedom to reject guys makes them rape us, right? :rolleyes: )
 
 
 
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