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    (Original post by damos92)
    Page 3? Ha what a joke, you think someone sees a pair of tits then goes 'Oh, i've just lost the ability to feel remorse and compassion and want to violate another human'.
    Not necessarily and if you read my post you'll know that that wasn't exactly what I meant. It's an indirect connection through its general contribution to the sexual climate of society at the time and further reinforces the view that women are sexual objects and that alone.
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    You have to change attitudes first. You'd be doing it the wrong way round to ban the result of the attitude before changing the attitude itself.
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    This attitude (that if something is bad/harmful we ought to ban it) has been incredibly effective in promoting illiberal attitudes.
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    (Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
    You have to change attitudes first. You'd be doing it the wrong way round to ban the result of the attitude before changing the attitude itself.
    How would you, personally, go about doing that?

    And I quite agree.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    There is clearly a connection, although unprovable, between the rising tide of sexual crime and page three. The constant mass circulation of such images must, in some way, influence sexual attitudes and the sexual climate of society. These pictures portray women as objects of lust and sexual desire, and do not portray sex in a tender or private manner. They completely undermine any social progress towards 'equality of the sexes' as they propagate the notion that women are objects, rather than people with the right to be respected.

    Yes? No?

    Not sure if serious.... :beard:
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    How would you, personally, go about doing that?

    And I quite agree.
    Better sex and relationships education would be a start.
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    (Original post by tomheppy)
    This attitude (that if something is bad/harmful we ought to ban it) has been incredibly effective in promoting illiberal attitudes.

    :ditto:
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Not sure if serious.... :beard:
    I am serious about thinking page 3 is a small part of a massive problem. I'm not sure I'd want an outright ban, though. I dunno.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    I am serious about thinking page 3 is a small part of a massive problem. I'm not sure I'd want an outright ban, though. I dunno.

    I think Pornography liberates and empowers women who consent to it, and is something which should not be banned in responsible society. I think young men developing the opinion or attitude that women are mere objects is down to ill education and immaturity tbh. But banning women from posing nude or promoting their sexuality will only add to the problem.
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    "There is clearly a connection, although unprovable"
    What? Until its proved then their is no connection
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    I think Pornography liberates and empowers women who consent to it, and is something which should not be banned in responsible society. I think young men developing the opinion or attitude that women are mere objects is down to ill education and immaturity tbh. But banning women from posing nude or promoting their sexuality will only add to the problem.
    "Pornography is the theory and rape is the practice."
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    "Pornography is the theory and rape is the practice."

    Oh please. How sensationalist. Next you'll be demanding we force women to wear Burkas. :sly:
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Oh please. How sensationalist. Next you'll be demanding we force women to wear Burkas. :sly:
    Substantial exposure to sexually violent material (i.e. hardcore pornography) does have a relationship to real acts of sexual violence. Would you agree?

    Porn degrades everybody involved: even the viewers.
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    I really hate the idea of page 3, and of pornography in general. I totally agree that it's part of a horrible attitude in our society, and reinforces this attitude.

    But like nolongerhearthemusic said, we need to go to the root of the probem, not just ban it. Banning it won't stop there being a market for it, the market will just be forced underground.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    Substantial exposure to sexually violent material (i.e. hardcore pornography) does have a relationship to real acts of sexual violence. Would you agree?
    Hardcore pornography does not mean violent pornography, and is in every case a reflection of the sexual desire which men and women hold secret. You think it would be better for society or individuals If we removed this outlet for sexual fantasy? A flash of female skin has a relationship with acts of sexual violence. Do you agree that we should cover up women as they do in Islam?

    Wouold you let somebody tell you what you can and cannot wear, how you can and cannot pose etc.. And then justify it by telling them you are trying to help sexually violent people not be sexually violent?

    It's like your trying to justify rape and blame it on the female.

    Porn degrades everybody involved: even the viewers.

    Only if you see something like sex as dirty and squalid. Most normal people, see it as something good and natural, which should be enjoyed. Those who abuse it at the expense of others need to be punished for that act and that act only. Like i seem to continuosly repeat on this forum. Individual rights mean individual responsibility.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    There is clearly a connection, although unprovable, between the rising tide of sexual crime and page three. The constant mass circulation of such images must, in some way, influence sexual attitudes and the sexual climate of society. These pictures portray women as objects of lust and sexual desire, and do not portray sex in a tender or private manner. They completely undermine any social progress towards 'equality of the sexes' as they propagate the notion that women are objects, rather than people with the right to be respected.

    Yes? No?
    I honestly don't understand your arguement. Surely, if sex crimes have recently gone on the rise, the problem is most likely new or easier to access? Page 3 ads have been around for at least a decade from what I know of and I'm sure it is even longer than that. I'm not sure about this, but the likelyhood is high that people now read newspapers a lot less these days anyways, people have access to pornography/pictures on the internet which is available both on the go and at home and for free might I add.

    Page 3 doesn't stir anything that makes me want to "dominate women" for me or anything of the sort, all I do is turn over the page. The only reason why Page 3 is there is because editors know that men probably get more aroused easily than women.

    I'm guessing that people who rape are most likely drunk, ridiculously horny or do not understand why they have been rejected or are obssesive over/stalking a woman.

    The majority of men don't see women as objects of lust, feminists have failed to prove that, that's for sure.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Hardcore pornography does not mean violent pornography, and is in every case a reflection of the sexual desire which men and women hold secret. You think it would be better for society or individuals If we removed this outlet for sexual fantasy? A flash of female skin has a relationship with acts of sexual violence. Do you agree that we should cover up women as they do in Islam?
    Obviously not and you know that.
    Wouold you let somebody tell you what you can and cannot wear, how you can and cannot pose etc.. And then justify it by telling them you are trying to help sexually violent people not be sexually violent?
    No. But do it in private, please.
    It's like your trying to justify rape and blame it on the female.
    lol yeah, course I am. Rape is never the victims fault.
    Only if you see something like sex as dirty and squalid. Most normal people, see it as something good and natural, which should be enjoyed. Those who abuse it at the expense of others need to be punished for that act and that act only. Like i seem to continuosly repeat on this forum. Individual rights mean individual responsibility.
    Pornography portrays sex as something that's dirty and squalid!
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    I really hate the idea of page 3, and of pornography in general. I totally agree that it's part of a horrible attitude in our society, and reinforces this attitude.


    You are blaming the women who choose to express themselves sexually for the actions of sexually violent individuals? Really?

    It should be those who have the attitude that rape and sexual crime is ok which we punish. Not the women who want to express themselves in such a way. This is where so called feminists trip themselves up. How can you be femenists when you blame independent females for the actions of mentally disturbed men? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    since when did exposing your breasts on page 3 become a 'right'?
    If there is no law against something it is a right.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    Obviously not and you know that.
    It really doesn't sound like it. Why should the woman who wants to express herself sexually be punished for the actions of mentally disturbed men?

    No. But do it in private, please.
    What the hell has it got to do with you? If you don't like looking at naked men and women ****, then don't purchase or look at them do it.

    l
    ol yeah, course I am. Rape is never the victims fault.
    Are you serious?

    Pornography portrays sex as something that's dirty and squalid!
    I get the feeling you don't watch much pornography.
 
 
 
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