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    Why do we constantly have this belief that the NHS is some kind of "unique" system that no one else has, and that no other countries help poor people when it comes to healthcare.
    Does no one in the UK realise that other countries in the world have healthcare systems that do everything the NHS does and cost about half as much to run?

    Is it just me or do we just compare ourselves to the USA when it comes to this and just ignore every other country inbetween?
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    (Original post by elandar)
    Why do we constantly have this belief that the NHS is some kind of "unique" system that no one else has, and that no other countries help poor people when it comes to healthcare.
    Does no one in the UK realise that other countries in the world have healthcare systems that do everything the NHS does and cost about half as much to run?

    Is it just me or do we just compare ourselves to the USA when it comes to this and just ignore every other country inbetween?
    No, it's just recent debates about the NHS have been in the context of ongoing US healthcare reform.
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    (Original post by elandar)
    Why do we constantly have this belief that the NHS is some kind of "unique" system that no one else has, and that no other countries help poor people when it comes to healthcare.
    Does no one in the UK realise that other countries in the world have healthcare systems that do everything the NHS does and cost about half as much to run?

    Is it just me or do we just compare ourselves to the USA when it comes to this and just ignore every other country inbetween?
    I think it is because in general when we think of private healthcare / health insurance we think of the american system. Which is either portrayed as very good for those who can afford it or very bad for those who can't. This also makes the best media story and so is probably more likely for us to hear about.
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    (Original post by elandar)
    Why do we constantly have this belief that the NHS is some kind of "unique" system that no one else has, and that no other countries help poor people when it comes to healthcare.
    Does no one in the UK realise that other countries in the world have healthcare systems that do everything the NHS does and cost about half as much to run?

    Is it just me or do we just compare ourselves to the USA when it comes to this and just ignore every other country inbetween?
    i would agree that since obama took over we (the brits) did believe that the nhs was our idea. i think it has alot to do with, if you travel abroad you have to pay to see a doctor if you dont have health insurance but if someone travels to england then the get to see a doctor for free so brits just assume that this is the only place in the world that has free health care.
    you would think that this realisation would make us more greatful for the NHS but it in fact makes us greedy and spoilt.
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    Which country/ies have an NHS type system that's cheaper to run (per person)?
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    Britain's healthcare rates very favorably to other leading Western countries. There are a few exceptions such as Germany but otherwise it fares well.
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    (Original post by EskimoJo)
    Which country/ies have an NHS type system that's cheaper to run (per person)?
    I want to know this too, I don't think any country offers a universal healthcare system that is as comprehensive as ours, and which is free at the point of use. Sure, some countries are more efficient and some perform better, but does anywhere have coverage which is as comprehensive as ours?
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    Germany would be a perfect example of a system that is just as effective as the NHS without being an economic black hole that swallows billions and billions of pounds, based on the idea that "the NHS is unique, it requires this much money as it gives us something that other countries dont have".
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    Other countries may not have the same setup as being free at the point of need, but what Im saying is that its wrong to pretend that this is the only way to help poorer people and provide a comprehensive system. People here just talk in absolutes with healthcare, making only a direct comparison to the USA (when it comes to debating about privatisation etc).
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    Surely at a time when cuts are needed we should be looking at healthcare as one of the first on our list, because it costs us £100 billion every single year. Yet people like to harp on about scrapping the £80 billion trident (£80 billion over the span of 10 years) as the cure for all our problems.

    I understand that people want to ensure that coverage is universal, and they don't want an American style system. But that absolutely doesn't have to be where we wind up as soon as we reform the NHS. There a countries that use private healthcare but subsidise the health insurance for those who can't afford healthcare, e.g. the Netherlands or Singapore.

    With the NHS they know you've paid already, and they have no real incentive to ensure their treatment is top quality. If its a private hospital, with competitors, and this firm needs your money - if they give bad treatment you'll go somewhere else next time. To keep customers and to do well, they have to provide a good servise. Plus with the middle classes now using private healthcare, and only the working class having to be subsidised by the state; the cost of healthcare for the government would be far less than £100 billion per year.
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    (Original post by elandar)
    Germany would be a perfect example of a system that is just as effective as the NHS without being an economic black hole that swallows billions and billions of pounds, based on the idea that "the NHS is unique, it requires this much money as it gives us something that other countries dont have".
    Kreuzuerk had already pointed out Germany, but suggested UK got better value for money than others. They asked for the other examples.

    Or is it just Germany?
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    Actually, healthcare in this country is pretty cheap. There are definitely some savings that can be made, but there isn't as much scope for cuts as people seem to think.

    There is a graph comparing the % of GDP different countries spend on healthcare at http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance.../08/chart1.jpg. You will see that our total spending (public + private) is about a quarter below that of France, Germany and Switzerland - our spending is actually below the OECD average, despite the fact that we are one of the richer OECD countries.

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    To keep customers and to do well, they have to provide a good servise. Plus with the middle classes now using private healthcare, and only the working class having to be subsidised by the state; the cost of healthcare for the government would be far less than £100 billion per year
    It simply isn't true that the middle classes are now using private healthcare en-masse. According to wikipedia, 8% of the U.K. population have private health insurance. And even if you do have private healthcare, you'll end up in the NHS half the time anyway. Major operations, most specialist things and A&E are all NHS - if you have a serious complication in a BUPA hospital, you can expect to be rushed to an NHS one!

    You'll also note that costs in the U.S. are completely out of control. Look at public spending on that graph in the U.S. compared to the U.K. The U.S. central government spends only a tiny bit less on medicare and mediaid than we do on our entire NHS.
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    The Quality of UK Healthcare: Comparison to Europe

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    Denmark is another country with a perfectly good public healthcare system. I would imagine that both Sweden and Norway would also have a similarly good system, but the latter is just a guess on my part.
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    (Original post by elandar)
    Why do we constantly have this belief that the NHS is some kind of "unique" system that no one else has, and that no other countries help poor people when it comes to healthcare.
    Does no one in the UK realise that other countries in the world have healthcare systems that do everything the NHS does and cost about half as much to run?

    Is it just me or do we just compare ourselves to the USA when it comes to this and just ignore every other country inbetween?
    Yes we realise this.
    As far as i'm aware, Canada has a pretty successful NHS system.
    I think it's just the people you're speaking to tbh.
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    Because the NHS is sold to people, by all parties now, as a humanitarian necessity, helping the poorest, most vulnerable of us. The opposite is true. The poorest pay the highest proportion of their income through taxation, most of which is spent doing unproductive work which would be done more efficiently by the private sector. America has not got private sector healthcare by the way; and if you quote me to disagree, please do better than that.
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    (Original post by elandar)
    Why do we constantly have this belief that the NHS is some kind of "unique" system that no one else has, and that no other countries help poor people when it comes to healthcare.
    Does no one in the UK realise that other countries in the world have healthcare systems that do everything the NHS does and cost about half as much to run?

    Is it just me or do we just compare ourselves to the USA when it comes to this and just ignore every other country inbetween?

    :facepalm:

    Which health care system which is like the NHS and costs less per person to run?

    Id really LOVE to know!
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    (Original post by elandar)
    Why do we constantly have this belief that the NHS is some kind of "unique" system that no one else has, and that no other countries help poor people when it comes to healthcare.
    Does no one in the UK realise that other countries in the world have healthcare systems that do everything the NHS does and cost about half as much to run?

    Is it just me or do we just compare ourselves to the USA when it comes to this and just ignore every other country inbetween?
    Sure there are better ones but there are factors you probably didn't consider. Factors such as:
    Is it feasible to make the conversion.
    Is it even possible considering those other system you are talking about have also a different tax system....etc

    Tbh I think the NHS is quite good considering other options. Then again if you are rich and want to invest in a good healthcare no one is stopping you.
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    (Original post by vas876)
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    Which health care system which is like the NHS and costs less per person to run?

    Id really LOVE to know!
    The UK actually spends a smaller percentage of the GDP on health care then France, Germany or Austria. France supposedly has the best health care in Europe at the moment.
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    Check out the W.H.O. website - should answer a lot of questions. As an American, I do prefer universal healthcare - since I am 23 y/o, I can no longer be under my parents, so I must pay for my own healthcare (if I want it). I go through my job, but since I am poor college graduate, I make little money, so I am pretty much forced to choose the cheaper plan. I pay $20 every 2 weeks ($40 a month), but I have deductibles/co-pays if I use it. For instance, if I go to the emergency room (at an authorized hospital) - I have to pay a minimum of $200 - it's much worse for other, basic procedures. If you can justify that, please go right ahead!
 
 
 
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