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Banning The Sun/Lads Mags from Sale at LSE watch

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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Why? Im pretty sure everyone at university is a consenting adult? Are you saying that the minute a male student sees a pair of tits he is going to transform into a slavering, drooling rape monster?
    Are you obsessed with me or something? Because I've told you repeatedly I don't want to converse with you and you respond to my posts like everyday, it's kind of creepy. Seriously, leave me alone please.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Pinpoint the 'hominem' or person that I was debating with and whose argument I was trying to undermine, and then maybe you'll have a leg to stand on :]
    There doesn't need to be an individual person targeted for an attack to be ad hominem. If I say 'BNP can't have good policies on education because BNP members are rascists' I have made an ad hominem attack, without targeting a specific individual and argument I am trying to undermine. Seems like you are the one who fails to understand ad hominem.

    Needless to say, the fact that you have attempted to sidetrack the actual argument in this way and avoid debating the topic at hand with me would suggest that you don't have a leg to stand on.
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    (Original post by El Nombre)
    That’s a good point actually. Having flicked through a few women’s magazines myself, some of them do perpetuate the idea of a woman as a sex object. I’ve seen articles with titles such ‘the best way to please your man orally.’ A lot of the articles seem to be about how women can service men, and occasionally, how women can utilise their sexuality to gain things , often of a material nature from men (as you said, drinks and free taxi rides). It’s rather upsetting that women are encouraged even by their own magazines to consider their looks as their singularly most important and defining asset.

    Not long ago, a woman sent a letter into Cosmo (ugh) conveying how upset she was when she had found out her husband had been visiting strip clubs. Cosmo’s response was to basically ‘put up and shut up’ because ‘that’s what men do.’ In my opinion, they completely undermined her feelings and tried to cast her off as ‘hysterical’ to other readers. Women’s mags are probably more responsible for generating gender stereotypes than any other form of media. Nevertheless, perhaps I’m just picking the worst aspects of women’s mags here...

    As much as I sympathise with feminist causes, quite frankly, I think trying to ban such magazines patronises men. Perhaps I’m naive, but I believe that most men who look at these mags are able to distinguish between the women in them, and the women they encounter on a day-to-day basis. Then again, I’m not particularly clued up on psychological theories concerning the subconscious mind.
    You would think so, given that if they are buying it in their university they will be buying it after or before having attended a class that is over 50% female.

    If lads mags are all feminazis have to complain about now, I think it is about time they wrapped up operations and begun working with men towards egalitarian causes. The fact that men would suffer from the exact same problems they claim exist matters neither here nor there to them, yet the bloody idiots drivel on about how they have both sexes interests are heart.
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    We're such a truly **** species. There's so much amazing stuff in the world and people resort to porn, religion and all kinds of **** ffs The sooner we wipe each other out the better tbh.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Are you obsessed with me or something? Because I've told you repeatedly I don't want to converse with you and you respond to my posts like everyday, it's kind of creepy. Seriously, leave me alone please.


    I can't help it :dontknow: I looked at page 3 this morning and it turned me into a rapist/stalker. :rolleyes:


    (Thats how it works isn't it )
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    There is always an excuse, usually male related, as to why some bad part of the female nature exists... You admitted it yourself that women dress and use fashion primarily for other women. It is other women who are the truely judgemental about other women, and it is women who provoke eating disorders in other women through their general *****iness and judgementalism. It is the competition between women to advance their looks on such a widespread scale that causes all of the problems you are blathering on about. Men have never really demanded that much of female looks; indeed, as I have pointed out already women can get laid on tap. As you admit, some men are now begginning to up their game, which is in turn shaming other men into attempting to conform, but they will never be as weak as women nor as judgemental and *****y, so their problems will never grow to the size of womens. Feminists are not interested or concerned about male interests, they have done nothing for men in their entire history.
    Huh? Women aren't innately *****y and judgmental. If it is true, then it is to do with the way society has taught them to behave. The values of the patriarchal society we live in have been ingrained within women so they believe they have to compete with their looks as they have nothing else. Oppression doesn't have to be explicit for it to exist. This shows the continuation of male domination.

    I think a lot of men would disagree that feminism has never done anything for men. A more equal society is better for everyone living in it, which feminism has achieved.
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    (Original post by Olivia_Lightbulb)
    What? This has noting to do with the issue of the sexualisation and objectification of women in 'lads mags'. It is also a huge generalisation, and one which is completely unfounded. Eating disorders are complex, and are the culmination of many factors, only one of which is sometimes bullying by others, both men and women.
    Women don't need lads mags to sexualise or objectify them, and that is if we even agree that women are indeed any more sexualised or objectified by men. Indeed the objectification of women in society is done largely by women; who in our free society choose what they wear and how they act. The men who behave like women; i.e. tight clothes, work out a lot, get fake tans etc. get just as much sexualisation and objectification as women do. I would say that the entire argument of feminists in this thread has been based on huge falty leaps of logic and looking at the situation from a very biased vantage point.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I think a lot of men would disagree that feminism has never done anything for men. A more equal society is better for everyone living in it, which feminism has achieved.
    Sounds like something out of Labour's manifesto. :mmm:

    How has feminism benefited men?
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    (Original post by aeonflux)
    There doesn't need to be an individual person targeted for an attack to be ad hominem. If I say 'BNP can't have good policies on education because BNP members are rascists' I have made an ad hominem attack, without targeting a specific individual and argument I am trying to undermine. Seems like you are the one who fails to understand ad hominem.


    I hadn't responded to anyone's argument at all. I hadn't even referred to a general argument that I was against. There was no 'premise' for me to undermine. I stated that I found it amusing that the boys seemed to need their porn. Nothing to do with the argument they were proposing or the argument I was proposing. SIGH. Goodbye now, I hope I've made you a more educated person.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Huh? Women aren't innately *****y and judgmental. If it is true, then it is to do with the way society has taught them to behave. The values of the patriarchal society we live in have been ingrained within women so they believe they have to compete with their looks as they have nothing else. Oppression doesn't have to be explicit for it to exist. This shows the continuation of male domination.

    I think a lot of men would disagree that feminism has never done anything for men. A more equal society is better for everyone living in it, which feminism has achieved.

    Of course it has. If you take an example of an extremely patriarchal society, like Saudi Arabia. If an independent woman tried to make a living modelling and exhibiting her sexuality and beautiful body. She would be stoned to death!

    It makes me wonder if this new breed of feminist supports women being made to wear the burka? That way the sexual objectification is completely removed.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    I can't help it :dontknow: I looked at page 3 this morning and it turned me into a rapist/stalker. :rolleyes:


    (Thats how it works isn't it )
    I have no idea how it works for you, all I know is you still haven't explained yourself. I'd rather you didn't actually, I'd much rather you just left me alone.
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    (Original post by FinishHim!)
    Sounds like something out of Labour's manifesto. :mmm:

    How has feminism benefited men?
    Men aren't the ones who needed benefitting. That's like saying 'how did the abolition of slavery benefit the whites'. Missing the point entirely.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Huh? Women aren't innately *****y and judgmental. If it is true, then it is to do with the way society has taught them to behave. The values of the patriarchal society we live in have been ingrained within women so they believe they have to compete with their looks as they have nothing else. Oppression doesn't have to be explicit for it to exist. This shows the continuation of male domination.

    I think a lot of men would disagree that feminism has never done anything for men. A more equal society is better for everyone living in it, which feminism has achieved.
    I don't know of any accomplishments feminism has gained that has directly benefited men, and the ways it has indirectly benefited men are highly subjective and contenscious issues. I would argue the way feminism battles for only female rights, and laughs and swipes away at any attempt by males to better society for them by simply saying 'haha men have had it so good, they deserve it' has irreparably damaged mens ability to get anything done about their causes.

    Again, there is always an excuse for how women behave that is some how down to men. Before the 1960s i.e. the womens rights movements, such advertisement and competition on looks did not exist. They did not exist when women were at their most unable to further themselves in any meaningful way. Society has become less patriarchal yet women have gotten more *****y and judgemental, and the competition on looks has heated up. In societies where it is upto men how women dress women are the most covered on the planet. In the UK when men largely chose womens wardrobes they were much more conservative. It was only when women gained control over their own dress code they began to be objectified and sexualised. You've gotta love how you say 'women don't have 'x' fault, but if they do they sure as **** have it because of men.' hahahaha.
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    (Original post by FinishHim!)
    Sounds like something out of Labour's manifesto. :mmm:

    How has feminism benefited men?
    It has allowed men to take time off work to look after their children, should they wish. As women gained more freedom within relationships, so did men. Divorce is more socially acceptable, which is partly to do with the rise of feminism. Ultimately though, feminism is about freeing women from patriarchal oppression, which surely any decent person should be in support of, whether it benefits them or not?

    But this is off topic.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Huh? Women aren't innately *****y and judgmental. If it is true, then it is to do with the way society has taught them to behave. The values of the patriarchal society we live in have been ingrained within women so they believe they have to compete with their looks as they have nothing else. Oppression doesn't have to be explicit for it to exist. This shows the continuation of male domination.

    I think a lot of men would disagree that feminism has never done anything for men. A more equal society is better for everyone living in it, which feminism has achieved.
    OH FOR ***** SAKE

    "Women are *****y and judgemental... MEN must be to blame"

    Stop putting women down, you're perfectly capable of becoming *****y and judgemental all on your own, and you know it, so **** off and stop blaming everything wrong in the world on men. You have your equality, you can do everything a man can do, but in order to do it you have to stop *****ing about men and actually go and make an effort.
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    OH FOR ***** SAKE

    "Women are *****y and judgemental... MEN must be to blame"

    Stop putting women down, you're perfectly capable of becoming *****y and judgemental all on your own, and you know it, so **** off and stop blaming everything wrong in the world on men. You have your equality, you can do everything a man can do, but in order to do it you have to stop *****ing about men and actually go and make an effort.
    Since when is society purely made up of men? That's such a typically sexist view- that society=men. She didn't once mention it was men's fault.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    I have no idea how it works for you, all I know is you still haven't explained yourself. I'd rather you didn't actually, I'd much rather you just left me alone.
    :curious: You're an anonymous user on a public forum who seems to think others will remember her or her opinions from past threads. Bearing in mind the amount of users as stupid as you which exist on this site im not sure why you are so surprised i forgot you "didn't want me to quote you". This is the internet sweetheart. I think maybe you should get over yourself and stop making strawmen because you are incapable of arguing my points. If you don't want to be challenged by other users on your opinions then don't post. :ta:
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    OH FOR ***** SAKE

    "Women are *****y and judgemental... MEN must be to blame"

    Stop putting women down, you're perfectly capable of becoming *****y and judgemental all on your own, and you know it, so **** off and stop blaming everything wrong in the world on men. You have your equality, you can do everything a man can do, but in order to do it you have to stop *****ing about men and actually go and make an effort.
    Correction: they are allowed to do everything a man is, that does not mean they can do everything a man can do. If they could they wouldn't need to hang onto feminism to dream up ridiculous exuses as to why women have failed to reach the high bar set by men. And of course with ridiculous excuses come measures to drag that bar down so women can get over it.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    The feminist society have put forward their (very convincing) argument on why it's unethical.
    no they havnt.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    You're an anonymous user on a public forum who seems to think others will remember her or her opinions from past threads. Bearing in mind the amount of users as stupid as you which exist on this site im not sure why you are so surprised i forgot you "didn't want me to quote you". This is the internet sweetheart. I think maybe you should get over yourself and stop making strawmen because you are incapable of arguing my points. If you don't want to be challenged by other users on your opinions then don't post.
    Stop quoting and obliterating her piss poor arguments you big bully:goaway:
 
 
 
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