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Banning The Sun/Lads Mags from Sale at LSE watch

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    (Original post by danny111)
    and that renders your entire argument useless - as I have repeatedly tried to tell you.
    Hush now sweetheart.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    I'm not. And please quote me if you reply to me
    Tehe, wasn't as much a reply as just asking a question~

    I just think the idea of believing that the media's use of women makes men sexist and objectifying as condescending as believing that violent video games make people violent. Sure it happens for a few, but the vast majority of people have enough self control and intelligence to be able to enjoy whatever it is they're doing without letting it affect them, and it is somewhat insulting to suggest otherwise.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Hush now sweetheart.
    :blushing: aww, we've gotten so close these past few days!
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    Tehe, wasn't as much a reply as just asking a question~

    I just think the idea of believing that the media's use of women makes men sexist and objectifying as condescending as believing that violent video games make people violent. Sure it happens for a few, but the vast majority of people have enough self control and intelligence to be able to enjoy whatever it is they're doing without letting it affect them, and it is somewhat insulting to suggest otherwise.
    :woo: finally someone with sense.
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    Tehe, wasn't as much a reply as just asking a question~

    I just think the idea of believing that the media's use of women makes men sexist and objectifying as condescending as believing that violent video games make people violent. Sure it happens for a few, but the vast majority of people have enough self control and intelligence to be able to enjoy whatever it is they're doing without letting it affect them, and it is somewhat insulting to suggest otherwise.

    Yeah, I think that 'the media says it so people do it' is a really oversimplified way of looking at it. I don't think the media is so much a cause as a symptom, and the relationship of the population with the media is a really difficult one. While I don't think reading a sexist newspaper will inevitably cause someone to be sexist, you can't argue that the media is irrelevent to the people. If there weren't people who agreed with sexist articles and features and wanted to read them, the paper wouldn't sell, or the articles wouldn't be written in the first place. At the same time, the media undeniably encourages and tries to enforce the views it portrays- if someone is already prejudiced against muslims, for example, reading an anti muslim article is probably going to deepen and encourage that prejudice. The media is both a symptom of society's fault and reinforces them- not that we believe everything we read, but the media inevitably has influence on us.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Deciding not to sell something isn't 'inflicting your views on someone else', honestly. If your local newsagents stopped selling hula hoops would you launch a protest? Just as people are allowed to buy what they like, retailers are allowed to sell what they'd like- but both have responsibilities, and I would urge both retailers and consumers to be responsible about the things they buy and sell. Then again, your throwaway claim that Coke is 'just a drink' reveals all I really need to know about your stance on human rights and ethics.

    I'm not trying to restrict anything from being sold, actually. I think you're mistaking me for a member of the feminist group at LSE. My point is that, I would be behind their motion. I don't think I need 'at least a majority of support' to have that view, do I?
    So you lied when you said you didn't support banning things?
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    (Original post by Shortarse1)
    So you lied when you said you didn't support banning things?
    Noop.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Noop.
    Well one minute you say the term 'banning' is misleading, yet you are supporting a ban?

    You're a Labour politician aren't you? I claim my £50 prize.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Yeah, I think that 'the media says it so people do it' is a really oversimplified way of looking at it. I don't think the media is so much a cause as a symptom, and the relationship of the population with the media is a really difficult one. While I don't think reading a sexist newspaper will inevitably cause someone to be sexist, you can't argue that the media is irrelevent to the people. If there weren't people who agreed with sexist articles and features and wanted to read them, the paper wouldn't sell, or the articles wouldn't be written in the first place. At the same time, the media undeniably encourages and tries to enforce the views it portrays- if someone is already prejudiced against muslims, for example, reading an anti muslim article is probably going to deepen and encourage that prejudice. The media is both a symptom of society's fault and reinforces them- not that we believe everything we read, but the media inevitably has influence on us.
    I don't think porn really come under the same sort of discussion as newspaper articles concerning cultural attitudes towards muslims. The sexist views implied by porn and the like are not views the media is trying to promote or is influenced by, it's just selling to men who just want to see nude women. Again, I'm pretty sure the majority don't then go on to take up those sexist views.
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    (Original post by Shortarse1)
    Well one minute you say the term 'banning' is misleading, yet you are supporting a ban?

    You're a Labour politician aren't you? I claim my £50 prize.
    Nobody is proposing The Sun etc are outlawed. Nobody is saying the students can't buy or read it. It's not a ban. Nothing is being prohibited. If your newsagents stopped selling hula hoops, would that mean hula hoops are 'banned'? I don't think you're getting the meaning of the word.
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    I don't think porn really come under the same sort of discussion as newspaper articles concerning cultural attitudes towards muslims. The sexist views implied by porn and the like are not views the media is trying to promote or is influenced by, it's just selling to men who just want to see nude women. Again, I'm pretty sure the majority don't then go on to take up those sexist views.
    I'm not saying the media necessarily have a motive for objectifying women, but like I said, if people didn't want to see women being objectified, those pictures wouldn't be in the papers. They don't have to be there, but they are, and they're there because of a certain attitude we have in our society.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    I'm not saying the media necessarily have a motive for objectifying women, but like I said, if people didn't want to see women being objectified, those pictures wouldn't be in the papers. They don't have to be there, but they are, and they're there because of a certain attitude we have in our society.
    I think you missed the point I tried to make (-I wish I could express myself more clearly : /). Men don't care about the fact that the women are objectified, they just want the nude pics :P. The fact that they're objectified matters little as people are capable of separating fiction from reality.
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    I think you missed the point I tried to make (-I wish I could express myself more clearly : /). Men don't care about the fact that the women are objectified, they just want the nude pics :P. The fact that they're objectified matters little as people are capable of separating fiction from reality.
    But in wanting to see those pics the men are objectifying the women.
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    (Original post by Jxhn)
    The feminist society at the LSE have submitted a proposal to ban The Sun and 'Lads Mags' from our Student Union shop.

    What do people think?
    There are so many losers at LSE. The feminist society is pathetic... first trying to boycott Miss UoL on grounds of sexist objectification of women... then the AU had a Mr LSE and that shut them up. Now this...

    Just because there isn't a looker among them (who isn't a lesbian).
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    But in wanting to see those pics the men are objectifying the women.
    No they're not, they're just horny. Pick up artists setting out to sleep with lots of women would be an example of objectifying women, wanting to see attractive women isn't.
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    (Original post by SevenDeuceOff)
    There are so many losers at LSE. The feminist society is pathetic... first trying to boycott Miss UoL on grounds of sexist objectification of women... then the AU had a Mr LSE and that shut them up. Now this...

    Just because there isn't a looker among them (who isn't a lesbian).
    so the only hot ones are lesbian?
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    No they're not, they're just horny. Pick up artists setting out to sleep with lots of women would be an example of objectifying women, wanting to see attractive women isn't.
    It's a classic example of objectification- the woman, or at least her image, is used as a masturbatory tool and any other qualities, any personality she has is disregarded. I'm not claiming that all men who jerk off to porn or pics like this are sexist pics who disrespect women- hell, every boyfriend I've had has used porn, including my current one- but you can't say that wanting to see these pictures has nothing to do with objectification.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    It's a classic example of objectification- the woman, or at least her image, is used as a masturbatory tool and any other qualities, any personality she has is disregarded. I'm not claiming that all men who jerk off to porn or pics like this are sexist pics who disrespect women- hell, every boyfriend I've had has used porn, including my current one- but you can't say that wanting to see these pictures has nothing to do with objectification.
    It's the image that's used, not the woman. The question is, does this affect the way they treat women? In the vast majority of cases, no.
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    It's the image that's used, not the woman. The question is, does this affect the way they treat women? In the vast majority of cases, no.
    Because it's not as simple as that. Like I said, the media is a reflection of the people, of our culture and our attitudes. You can't just separate it off. I'm not going to believe someone who says 'I objectify the women in magazines and porn but never would in real life'. It doesn't work like that, it's not as distinct and separate as that. Objectification of women is ingrained in our society, and if it wasn't, it wouldn't be all over the media.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Because it's not as simple as that. Like I said, the media is a reflection of the people, of our culture and our attitudes. You can't just separate it off. I'm not going to believe someone who says 'I objectify the women in magazines and porn but never would in real life'. It doesn't work like that, it's not as distinct and separate as that. Objectification of women is ingrained in our society, and if it wasn't, it wouldn't be all over the media.
    Your idea that objectification can be seen if only that one aspect of women is considered at the time is very simplistic and unfair. People can consider one aspect of something at a time without simultaneously reducing that thing to that single aspect.
 
 
 
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