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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    Your idea that objectification can be seen if only that one aspect of women is considered at the time is very simplistic and unfair. People can consider one aspect of something at a time without simultaneously reducing that thing to that single aspect.
    Absolutely, but this isn't the case with pornographic photos.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Absolutely, but this isn't the case with pornographic photos.
    No it's not. The person will be focusing on that aspect and sidelining the others, but his overall understanding of women in general will remain the same.

    This conversation is disturbing me, can I stop yet?
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Absolutely, but this isn't the case with pornographic photos.
    How much porn have you watched, love?

    Enough to make such a judgmental statement?
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Because it's not as simple as that. Like I said, the media is a reflection of the people, of our culture and our attitudes. You can't just separate it off. I'm not going to believe someone who says 'I objectify the women in magazines and porn but never would in real life'. It doesn't work like that, it's not as distinct and separate as that. Objectification of women is ingrained in our society, and if it wasn't, it wouldn't be all over the media.
    Here's the thing - porn doesn't affect the way I look at women.
    Porn is just something guys watch because we're visual beings and a majority of us can't just rub one out to the pretty pictures in our heads. So we need something visual, I don't think about the person behind the image in that situation, but it in no way relates to how I look at women in general - I don't think about ******* when around my female friends, to be blunt. I might think about sex, but that's not really an issue, as I'm sure if we surrounded you with good-looking men for a while you'd think about sex from time to time too.

    If I met the pornstar behind the image, they'd just be like any other person to me. As far as I'm concerned it's all just acting.
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    (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
    No it's not. The person will be focusing on that aspect and sidelining the others, but his overall understanding of women in general will remain the same.

    This conversation is disturbing me, can I stop yet?
    I meant with that specific woman, not women in general. When it comes to pornographic photos, the people looking at them (not everyone who sees them obviously, but those who seek them out for sexual gratification) can't help but objectify them- because all they're portrayed as is a sex object. The way they're portrayed, there's nothing else to appreciate but sex. So it's not a case of focusing on one aspect temporarily- because that girl in the picture will only ever be of value to you as a sex object. And I'm not saying this means you're automatically going to go out and objectify all the other women in the world, but it would be equally naive to this that this attitude is distinct from their general attitude towards women.

    And yes, of course you can stop if you want to. It's been an interesting debate though.
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    Here's the thing - porn doesn't affect the way I look at women.
    Porn is just something guys watch because we're visual beings and a majority of us can't just rub one out to the pretty pictures in our heads. So we need something visual, I don't think about the person behind the image in that situation, but it in no way relates to how I look at women in general - I don't think about ******* when around my female friends, to be blunt. I might think about sex, but that's not really an issue, as I'm sure if we surrounded you with good-looking men for a while you'd think about sex from time to time too.

    If I met the pornstar behind the image, they'd just be like any other person to me. As far as I'm concerned it's all just acting.

    Well, of course you would know better than me your attitude towards women. But while I obviously nobody can pass judgement on specific cases, I think more generally it's fair to say that objectification of women is prevalent in our society and that porn and pornographic images is an active part of this. If like you say you're not a part of this attitude then I'm happy for you.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    I meant with that specific woman, not women in general. When it comes to pornographic photos, the people looking at them (not everyone who sees them obviously, but those who seek them out for sexual gratification) can't help but objectify them- because all they're portrayed as is a sex object. The way they're portrayed, there's nothing else to appreciate but sex. So it's not a case of focusing on one aspect temporarily- because that girl in the picture will only ever be of value to you as a sex object. And I'm not saying this means you're automatically going to go out and objectify all the other women in the world, but it would be equally naive to this that this attitude is distinct from their general attitude towards women.

    And yes, of course you can stop if you want to. It's been an interesting debate though.
    I would have thought the attitude to be just a single, isolated and mostly specific to porn, aspect of the general attitude rather than something that shapes it. I'm getting increasingly vague and nebulous, sorry (hey look, that's a nice word!).

    Really though, I think it's almost certainly a basic part of human and male (and female) nature. The issue shouldn't be its existence, rather how well separated it is in other fields of life. Obviously, this issue is far from perfect, but attacking it from this direction is probably not a particularly fair way to go about things.
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    Men are better than women:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0xoKiH8JJM

    To feminists.

    /Satire.
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    (Original post by Jxhn)
    The feminist society at the LSE have submitted a proposal to ban The Sun and 'Lads Mags' from our Student Union shop.



    What do people think?
    I think they should spend less time submitting proposals, and more time in the damn kitchen cooking my dinner where they belong.
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    maybe all magazines that degrade people into sex objects should just be banned, end of it then no fighting or squabbling among theirselves.
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    this was already a dead thread...
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    (Original post by Krakatoa)
    On that logic we should allow the expolitation of workers in developing countries,as they choose to enter the workplace don't they?
    We already do, via the tobacco industry and everything else that uses child/forced labour. No doubt many of these feminists smoke and have bought from Primark, which are more subjudicating of women, albeit those in foreign countries, than those being paid to appear in glossy magazines. If you did start questioning the morals and ethics of products on all consumer goods that you have purchased, I do wonder how much little you have left. Even mobile phones have been involved in shady business, where metal extraction camps have contributed to rape in Africa. Such ignorance of world events are quite often observed by middle class students and academics who like to criticise social environments from the comforts of a good life, or for an academic, the old ivory tower.
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    Oh dear :facepalm: don't these women realise how petty they are? I'm sure when women were in prison, on hunger strike; trying to get the vote they were really worried that one day some guy might buy a copy of zoo at LSE :yep:
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    Bet the women that are complaining are fugly.

    Don't hear the women in the lads mags complaining, do you? GTFO.
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    1. These girls will all be ugly and are just jealous

    2. They should spend less time drawing up stupid petitions and more time where they belong: in the kitchen

    :p:
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    I'm confused by feminism. You have one group of women who argue that the expression of their freedom should be their choice to e.g. wear revealing, sexually provocative clothing and you have another group which argue that attitude in itself is a product of the sexualisation of society evoked by men and that women should therefore refuse to adapt to it.
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    (Original post by Elementric)
    Cringe. I honestly do despair sometimes. I'm not going to reiterate every logical and well reasoned argument in this thread (please, you can read them yourselves), but essential relay the conclusion: you're idiots.
    Lol don't worry I'm female, and don't fully agree with what those so-called feminists are enforcing, basically.

    They sound extreme, and should really chill out tbh. If they were real feminists, shouldn't they be more concerned about equality in terms of pay at work etc ?
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    (Original post by conroe-killed-the-k8-star)
    I say if we ban The Sun , The Star , Zoo , Nuts etc then it's only really fair that we also get rid of OK , Hello , Closer and the likes - both of them are as bad as each other quite frankly in terms of the utter dross in them.

    Deal?
    SO true! I hardly read that stuff (not that there's anything wrong with it) and reckon New Scientist is a lot more interesting/rewarding than any of the above :cool:
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    They'll just end up hiding it inside their copy of The Economist.
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    (Original post by Meus)
    I'm confused by feminism. You have one group of women who argue that the expression of their freedom should be their choice to e.g. wear revealing, sexually provocative clothing and you have another group which argue that attitude in itself is a product of the sexualisation of society evoked by men and that women should therefore refuse to adapt to it.
    It's not that confusing, is it? There are loads of different strands and branches to feminism, just like any ideology.
 
 
 
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