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    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    In my humble opinion, the fact that pornographic material is readily-available to be purchased does pose serious ramifications. Firstly, it is quite evident that these publications are in most cases distributed under the guise of something quite other; as a part of the news, within lifestyle magazines amongst others and as such, it has become normalised within our society and culture. It's an important to consider what determines whether something is beneficial or not within our society. Personally, I believe that the overt sexualisation of the female species is something that is generally not productive in maintaining a harmonious and conscientious society. Clearly, others may feel differently but what must be assessed is the implications of such material. I would maintain that this cannot be resolved by reaching a situation where it becomes a case that 'if you don't like it, don't seek it out' because of the fact that such material has absolutely infiltrated all aspects of the media. Currently, any child can buy a copy of The Sun and be faced with something that they probably are not emotionally ready to deal with. It is well documented that introducing young children to pornography can, in some cases, have disturbing consequences and the publications like The Sun only serve to bridge the gap. During puberty, many young boys are confronted with new experiences and it's material such as this which only serves to promote the stereotype of how they should behave.

    Clearly though, this is a issue which is widespread. Really, all sectors of society are, to varying degrees, affected. One only has to look at advertising, for example. Personally, I believe that one possible solution is that any publication containing pornographic material is sold in a covering packaging with just the title on it.
    Should not all womens magazines be censored and sold in the same manner then?

    What about advertisements such as practically every perfume one and the likes of Armani?

    Girls walking around in shorter skirts?

    Could this not all be seen as giving society an over sexualised image and contributing to the same problems you mentioned?
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    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    In my humble opinion, the fact that pornographic material is readily-available to be purchased does pose serious ramifications. Firstly, it is quite evident that these publications are in most cases distributed under the guise of something quite other; as a part of the news, within lifestyle magazines amongst others and as such, it has become normalised within our society and culture. It's an important to consider what determines whether something is beneficial or not within our society. Personally, I believe that the overt sexualisation of the female species is something that is generally not productive in maintaining a harmonious and conscientious society. Clearly, others may feel differently but what must be assessed is the implications of such material. I would maintain that this cannot be resolved by reaching a situation where it becomes a case that 'if you don't like it, don't seek it out' because of the fact that such material has absolutely infiltrated all aspects of the media. Currently, any child can buy a copy of The Sun and be faced with something that they probably are not emotionally ready to deal with. It is well documented that introducing young children to pornography can, in some cases, have disturbing consequences and the publications like The Sun only serve to bridge the gap. During puberty, many young boys are confronted with new experiences and it's material such as this which only serves to promote the stereotype of how they should behave.

    Clearly though, this is a issue which is widespread. Really, all sectors of society are, to varying degrees, affected. One only has to look at advertising, for example. Personally, I believe that one possible solution is that any publication containing pornographic material is sold in a covering packaging with just the title on it.
    *Flexes fingers*

    I like how you kept gender out of it when you said "young children." What is clear throughout this is the assumption that men are susceptible to violence and our society's sexualisation creates rapists from male children.

    Without the sexualisation of our society feminsts would be screaming about women being sexually shackled, women have far more control over the sexualisation of our country than men do. Advertising is aimed at women (women make 80% of purchasing decisions) therefore THEY want to see women as sexual obejcts. Next.
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    Let people buy whatever the **** they want. Buying it doesn't harm anyone, don't like it don't buy it.
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    I agree with them. If it just affected the women who choose to pose then I would have less of a problem with Page 3 and 'lad's mags', however, it impacts the perception of women across society. By banning the sale of them in certain places, it de-normalises the culture of seeing women's bodies as commodities.
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    (Original post by Jxhn)
    The feminist society at the LSE have submitted a proposal to ban The Sun and 'Lads Mags' from our Student Union shop.

    Originally Posted by The Feminists
    We believe
    1.The homogenous representation of women’s bodies illustrated in FHM and the Sun is misogynistic.
    2.The images within both publications are heteronormative, in their assumptions of what constitutes ‘normal’ sexual relations.
    3.The images assume that women are sexually passive objects; and that relationships between men and women are equivalent to the relationship of predator and prey.
    4.The images are often airbrushed and encourage unrealistic and unattainable expectations of women’s bodies. Such expectations contribute to the proliference of eating disorders, and negative body image.
    5.Any industry which promotes the objectification of women inevitably has an impact on the sexist attitudes which underpin violence and sexual abuse, and as such cannot be said to be harmless fun.


    What do people think?
    Most girls dont complain when lads eat them :cool:
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    I don't see how the images in these mags are degrading - the women in the pictures seem more than happy to be paid for posing like that.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I agree with them. If it just affected the women who choose to pose then I would have less of a problem with Page 3 and 'lad's mags', however, it impacts the perception of women across society. By banning the sale of them in certain places, it de-normalises the culture of seeing women's bodies as commodities.
    Shall we ban all fashion magazines? cosmopolitan? etc? Victimising Lads mags to denormalize culture is discrimination against publications targeted at Men.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I agree with them. If it just affected the women who choose to pose then I would have less of a problem with Page 3 and 'lad's mags', however, it impacts the perception of women across society.By banning the sale of them in certain places, it de-normalises the culture of seeing women's bodies as commodities.
    OMG absolute rubbish.

    You want to know what impacts the perception of women across society? WOMENS gossip magazines. These magazines teach you women that spying on peoples private lives is absolutley fine.
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    The S*n as has been said should be banned full stop.

    As for banning the idea of sexuality, I've never agreed with that. If women want to have their mags on shelves anywhere that's fine by me. Not my thing but each to their own and as long as it's not full frontal nudity then who cares really?

    To be honest the standard of lads mags seems to have dropped to chavtastic proportions thesedays anyway so I don't bother with them. Can't remember the last time I saw GQ.
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    And it does no use--They will simply resort to a newsagent on the Kingsway to get their ******* material.
    Also, which would you prefer--jacking off to Nuts/Zoo or Hard core porn involving something really quite wrong.
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    (Original post by Nick_000)
    Shouldn't they be in the kitchen, making dinner? :s
    :yep: This is what you get when you let women voice their opinions. A lot of the time, they're idiots and it makes it evident why men didn't want to listen to them in the first place.
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    (Original post by Jxhn)
    Shall we ban all fashion magazines? cosmopolitan? etc? Victimising Lads mags to denormalize culture is discrimination against publications targeted at Men.
    Fashion magazines are different because they don't treat women as sexual objects. Coat hangers, maybe, but fashion is not about selling sex. High fashion rarely makes women look more attractive - it makes them look different. The only point on 'The feminists' list that would justify banning them is the unattainable bodies one.

    While it could be argued that magazines like Cosmopolitan objectify men, there is not the history of oppression behind it for it to have a serious affect on the perception of men. I'm not entirely sure as I've never read one of these magazines, but I thought the men in these publications were famous for something else before, so being an objective of desire is secondary. The women in lad's mags are there for the primary purpose of looking sexually attractive.
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    (Original post by tldr22)
    It's pathetic to whine for a ban on these kinds of things, the females in the magazine were not exactly forced to take such pictures.
    On that logic we should allow the expolitation of workers in developing countries,as they choose to enter the workplace don't they?
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    Men are used just as much to sell sex as women, so where is the feminist issue?
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    (Original post by Krakatoa)
    On that logic we should allow the expolitation of workers in developing countries,as they choose to enter the workplace don't they?
    If you take his point completely out of context then yes, that would be the next logical step...
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    wanna hear a funny joke? women's rights.
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    (Original post by Casse)
    I have to agree with these feminists on this issue. These nude images are degrading to women and reduces them to mere sex objects.
    where as magazines with pictures of half naked men don;t do the same?
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Fashion magazines are different because they don't treat women as sexual objects. Coat hangers, maybe, but fashion is not about selling sex. High fashion rarely makes women look more attractive - it makes them look different. The only point on 'The feminists' list that would justify banning them is the unattainable bodies one.
    :toofunny: :toofunny:

    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    While it could be argued that magazines like Cosmopolitan objectify men, there is not the history of oppression behind it for it to have a serious affect on the perception of men.
    So basically "Yes womens magazines do exactly the same thing, but I assume it doesn't have any impact because it's not happened in the past"
    Poor logic, really.
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    Originally Posted by The Feminists
    We believe
    1.The homogenous representation of women’s bodies illustrated in FHM and the Sun is misogynistic. As soon as someone sees something misogynistic they become a misogynist. This is because their brains aren't nearly as clever as ours.
    2.The images within both publications are heteronormative, in their assumptions of what constitutes ‘normal’ sexual relations. People are too stupid not to realise this, so it must be banned.
    3.The images assume that women are sexually passive objects; and that relationships between men and women are equivalent to the relationship of predator and prey. We know better but others are confused and bewildered, so we must take away this nasty influence. After all, it isn't as though people hanging around in a Students' Union should be expected to be as clever as us, the feminists.
    4.The images are often airbrushed and encourage unrealistic and unattainable expectations of women’s bodies. Such expectations contribute to the proliference of eating disorders, and negative body image, because normal plebian women who aren't in our society are too stupid to realise they are unrealistic.
    5.Any industry which promotes the objectification of women inevitably has an impact on the sexist attitudes which underpin violence and sexual abuse, and as such cannot be said to be harmless fun. This is evident in the fact that people are stupid enough to be influenced by them. All people except us, that is.
    Does nobody else see the reccurring theme of any and all bansturbators' arguments?
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    (Original post by Antonia87)
    I agree with everything they said. I dont know why people are replying going "that ******* ridiculous/stupid/blah blah", since their reasons hold weight.
    The problem is that their reasons did hold weight in the early 1900s but nowadays i can look at whatever pictures i like yet don't feel that women are only there for sex.

    So imo their reasons are outdated.


    Also i genuinely dislike feminism, society is pretty much equal now but feminists want more and more, feminism is no longer a movement for equality but a movement for female superiority.
 
 
 
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