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    (Original post by x_icefox_x)
    everyone is going on about how girls mags are full of guys topless. Its just because you have no justified comeback for the original post. Womens breasts are seen as a sexual part of their body and that of what should be kept private the main job for them is to feed babies like nature intended not to be exploited and plastically inhanced for the sexual pleasure of men, well some men not every man is the same and is into wasting their days away in front of porn with their **** in their hand as most of the lads in this post seem to do as they are so defensive over the issue.
    Yeah maybe womens mags do have topless men in them but least they keep their trousers on keeping their sexual bits to themself maybe some of these page 3 models and lads mags models such start putting their clothes back on and be more of a role model to young girls today, no wonder the english culture and society is so **** saying that binge drinking, porn and teenage pregnancy seems to be our only culture.

    Well since you are so into the idea of sex for procreation and how each sex uses their body to allow this to happen, I think you should know that if men don't masturbate then it can harm them physically thus prohibiting said act.

    Not all men have partners and therefore need a healthy outlet for their sexual appetites so if you think about it porn whether it be soft or hardcore is serving a necessary purpose. This isn't opinion, it is fact as confirmed by various medical bodies.

    Grouping porn with drinking and teenage pregnancy is ridiculous and I'd like to think that given you are so sensitive to all these issues you would know teen pregnancy goes all the way up to 19 and isn't just these shock stories you hear. I know of some people who have kids who are 18-19 and are far more loving parents than those who are much older.

    I don't know many women who look in FHM or Loaded for role models. Do you? As usual this is just an example of people who campaigned for what they wanted (equality), got it and now want to move the bar again because they didn't actually want it in the first place.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    It's just obvious that they're right, or at least that they have a really good point. lol at all the boys who need their porn.
    lol at you for making a fool out of yourself. banning lads mags in a student union shop, as symbolic as it may be, will not prevent boys from getting porn.

    furthermore, that is not the issue. the issue is that people should be allowed to do what they want. And accusations such as these - that we see scarcely clad women and then think omg, i need to go around abusing and raping women - is extremely offensive.

    then you might as well ban any sort of violent film. in particular any violent game because games are much much much closer to reality than pictures. and then you might as well ban everything.
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    (Original post by Casse)
    I have to agree with these feminists on this issue. These nude images are degrading to women and reduces them to mere sex objects.
    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    I agree with all five of their statements.
    (Original post by Mr_K_Dilkington)
    Same. Lots of retarded, knee-jerk anti-feminists in this thread.
    (Original post by Antonia87)
    I agree with everything they said. I dont know why people are replying going "that ******* ridiculous/stupid/blah blah", since their reasons hold weight.
    Cringe. I honestly do despair sometimes. I'm not going to reiterate every logical and well reasoned argument in this thread (please, you can read them yourselves), but essential relay the conclusion: you're idiots.
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    (Original post by x_icefox_x)
    everyone is going on about how girls mags are full of guys topless. Its just because you have no justified comeback for the original post. Womens breasts are seen as a sexual part of their body and that of what should be kept private the main job for them is to feed babies like nature intended not to be exploited and plastically inhanced for the sexual pleasure of men, well some men not every man is the same and is into wasting their days away in front of porn with their **** in their hand as most of the lads in this post seem to do as they are so defensive over the issue.
    Yeah maybe womens mags do have topless men in them but least they keep their trousers on keeping their sexual bits to themself maybe some of these page 3 models and lads mags models such start putting their clothes back on and be more of a role model to young girls today, no wonder the english culture and society is so **** saying that binge drinking, porn and teenage pregnancy seems to be our only culture.
    womens breast are a secondary sexual organ. but women still swoon over seeing mens sixpacks etc so in essence topless men are seen a sexy by women.

    Breasts are meant to excentuate readyness to breed and feed babies but they are not supposed to be covered up, if our species were supposed to be "covered up" then why are we not born with clothes or fur on? the fact is nakedness is natural and prudes in society dictate what is and isn't acceptable it is this attitude which sexualises nudity not some woman getting ehr baps out in a paper.

    Porn is a byproduct of having a hormone induced sex drive, even back i the ******* roman times people were drawing pornobooks and graffiting on walls with porn, it is not a new phenomonen nor one specific to our culture.

    And tell me when has teenage preganancy become the norm? i know very few young girls who have had children infact our of all the girls i know 2 have children and they were old enough to do so at the time and are in stable relationships and can support their offspring without relying on the dole, who are you to tell them this is wrong?

    SOmething that does seem to be apparent in our culture is idiocy sputed by idiots like you who have no life, have barely lived and ignore many peoples arguments, logical arguments i add, because they don't fit your point of view and you label them as sex mad dudes who just **** their day away. Yeah from where im standing your the one who seems unreasonable.


    Drinking has been a part of all cultures for 1000's of years not just british culture, the only reason we have a problem with it is because people see it as forbidden fruit and when they turn 18 go wild on it, if like the french parents introduced alcohol early on we wouldn't have this problem and most cultures worldwide have an element of hardcore drinkers somewhere but their medias have something better to do then demonise their own cultures. As it is our media is a bunch of sensationalist nonsense that idiots like you take for granted and form opinions based on that. When you have met every single british person and can verify that all they care about is drink,baps and getting girls pregnant then i will take you idiotic spew seriously until then get a life.

    The people who think the slight showing of a breast is sexually explicit are the ones who see all women as sex objects, tits are tits yes they are nice but a naked woman is a naked woman, shes still a person if you can only think about sex when you see tits you need to get out more and possibly i don't know try attracting the opposite sex so your views on sex don't stay juvenile for all of your life.

    Live and let live, didn't your parents ever teach you that or were you too busy reading the daily fail crying that our country has gone to the dogs.
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    I have nothing against these type of magazines, my boyfriend bought me a Razzle for my birthday afterall!

    (& I love it, giggity).

    Although, I think they should be moved to where children can't easily see them, or covered with maybe a sheet of black plastic? In my local shop they have porn mags literally just above Heat/Now and the rest.
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    (Original post by Liverpool's Number 9)
    Well since you are so into the idea of sex for procreation and how each sex uses their body to allow this to happen, I think you should know that if men don't masturbate then it can harm them physically thus prohibiting said act.

    Not all men have partners and therefore need a healthy outlet for their sexual appetites so if you think about it porn whether it be soft or hardcore is serving a necessary purpose. This isn't opinion, it is fact as confirmed by various medical bodies.

    Grouping porn with drinking and teenage pregnancy is ridiculous and I'd like to think that given you are so sensitive to all these issues you would know teen pregnancy goes all the way up to 19 and isn't just these shock stories you hear. I know of some people who have kids who are 18-19 and are far more loving parents than those who are much older.

    I don't know many women who look in FHM or Loaded for role models. Do you? As usual this is just an example of people who campaigned for what they wanted (equality), got it and now want to move the bar again because they didn't actually want it in the first place.
    You will be surprised how many young teenage girls look up at the shelf and see this women big breasted and stunning and they think to them self i want to be like that, when really what they are looking at is totally fake.
    I can understand where you are coming from about single men needing to have the comfort of porn as such, I am so glad my boyfriend is against pornography and lads mags and see them as a turn off and waste of space.
    I guess everyone is different thats what makes the world interesting, i just hate the fact that all men are classed as perves and sex predators and classed to look and like all the porn and topless models, when really it is not like that at all, all guys are different some guys dont like it some do. Some guys dont want to look at anyone but their partner but some people cant see that and think its a load of rubbish.
    But you got to admit that Britain has not really got any culture we still keep going.
    And the teenage pregnancy issue, yeah some people do have children young and they are good parents and commited, but I cant stand these teenagers who think it is big to have a baby in order to get a house and money, when really they are in a broken relationship have no support and the baby has to be brought up in a broken family. I just think more teenagers should wait and settle down and be properly ready.
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    (Original post by Elementric)
    Cringe. I honestly do despair sometimes. I'm not going to reiterate every logical and well reasoned argument in this thread (please, you can read them yourselves), but essential relay the conclusion: you're idiots.
    Well argued there.
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    (Original post by danny111)
    i repeat what i said above.

    if anyone is so stupid they cant tell the difference between reality and pictures then its too late to educate them.

    and do you want to ban all the porn on the internet?
    You've missed the point. People might not go out and rape someone because they've seen women portrayed as sexual objects, but it does reinforce the idea that women are things men use to for sex. Men regularly honk their horns at women and touch them inappropriately without thinking much of it. It's degrading and offensive, and I believe that the lad's mag culture has mainstreamed this attitude towards women. This attitude would exist without these magazines, but it should at least be acknowledged that it is unacceptable to behave like that. Banning them might make men think about the way they treat and think about women.

    Porn is a difficult issue as I think it would still exist whether it was legal or not, just like child pornography. This could lead to vulnerable women experiencing more exploitation without the rules and regulations that currently exist. For this reason, I don't think it should be banned (although still unsure about it).
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    (Original post by Libtolu)
    womens breast are a secondary sexual organ. but women still swoon over seeing mens sixpacks etc so in essence topless men are seen a sexy by women.

    Breasts are meant to excentuate readyness to breed and feed babies but they are not supposed to be covered up, if our species were supposed to be "covered up" then why are we not born with clothes or fur on? the fact is nakedness is natural and prudes in society dictate what is and isn't acceptable it is this attitude which sexualises nudity not some woman getting ehr baps out in a paper.

    Porn is a byproduct of having a hormone induced sex drive, even back i the ******* roman times people were drawing pornobooks and graffiting on walls with porn, it is not a new phenomonen nor one specific to our culture.

    And tell me when has teenage preganancy become the norm? i know very few young girls who have had children infact our of all the girls i know 2 have children and they were old enough to do so at the time and are in stable relationships and can support their offspring without relying on the dole, who are you to tell them this is wrong?

    SOmething that does seem to be apparent in our culture is idiocy sputed by idiots like you who have no life, have barely lived and ignore many peoples arguments, logical arguments i add, because they don't fit your point of view and you label them as sex mad dudes who just **** their day away. Yeah from where im standing your the one who seems unreasonable.


    Drinking has been a part of all cultures for 1000's of years not just british culture, the only reason we have a problem with it is because people see it as forbidden fruit and when they turn 18 go wild on it, if like the french parents introduced alcohol early on we wouldn't have this problem and most cultures worldwide have an element of hardcore drinkers somewhere but their medias have something better to do then demonise their own cultures. As it is our media is a bunch of sensationalist nonsense that idiots like you take for granted and form opinions based on that. When you have met every single british person and can verify that all they care about is drink,baps and getting girls pregnant then i will take you idiotic spew seriously until then get a life.

    The people who think the slight showing of a breast is sexually explicit are the ones who see all women as sex objects, tits are tits yes they are nice but a naked woman is a naked woman, shes still a person if you can only think about sex when you see tits you need to get out more and possibly i don't know try attracting the opposite sex so your views on sex don't stay juvenile for all of your life.

    Live and let live, didn't your parents ever teach you that or were you too busy reading the daily fail crying that our country has gone to the dogs.
    so erm if we were meant to be wearing clothes we would be born with them on so nudity is natural obviously i get that, so erm if these girls on the front of lads mags they were obviously born with breast implants to show off cause its natural right
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    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    Well argued there.
    Ah, so I see you're incapable of following a simple reference. :clap2:
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    Feminists, a bunch a women annoyed they haven't got laid in a while.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    No, that's not what I meant. I don't feel women's magazines are as bad as men's magazines as they are more about the man himself, rather than just his body. However, men are not seen as sexual objects in society so showing them to be so doesn't do as much damage as women who are sexually harassed on a day-to-day basis.
    No offence but I think the argument that you can change the way men have seen women for millions of years, overnight, is a bit naive. The difference is that girls take their magazines seriously, which are to an extent are more damaging. On any fashionable girls mags cover you will generally have
    1. an attractive model, who is thin, or someone like cheryl cole modelling something
    2. next to it, advertising new tips for losing weight or dieting
    3. advertising sex advice
    So the general jist is, if you're not thin, or hence not "pretty" and you dont know how to pleasure a bf then your bf will leave you / you won't be desirable.

    Banning something you personally don't agree with it counterproductive to the sort of free society that gives feminism a voice.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    You've missed the point. People might not go out and rape someone because they've seen women portrayed as sexual objects, but it doesn't reinforce the idea that women are things men use to for sex. Men regularly honk their horns at women and touch them inappropriately without thinking much of it. It's degrading and offensive, and I believe that the lad's mag culture has mainstreamed this attitude towards women. This attitude would exist without these magazines, but it should at least be acknowledged that it is unacceptable to behave like that. Banning them might make men think about the way they treat and think about women.

    Porn is a difficult issue as I think it would still exist whether it was legal or not, just like child pornography. This could lead to vulnerable women experiencing more exploitation without the rules and regulations that currently exist. For this reason, I don't think it should be banned (although still unsure about it).
    no i havnt missed the point, because that is what some people argued happens.

    but given i did miss the point in your opinion, then i shall change my argument and say that i personally do not think:

    "oh nice, that woman in the picture is a an object consisting of 32Ds, a nice ass and some pussy - let me grope the next hot chick i see".

    being generalised into such a category is completely unacceptable. just because some individuals can not tell the difference/ get the wrong impression does not mean everyone else has to suffer/have their liberty taken away.
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    (Original post by x_icefox_x)
    so erm if we were meant to be wearing clothes we would be born with them on so nudity is natural obviously i get that, so erm if these girls on the front of lads mags they were obviously born with breast implants to show off cause its natural right

    No, you were arguing the lads mags were wrong and nude women were wrong.

    Personally i dislike implants and not every girls has them and not every page 3 model has them.

    Nudity isn't wrong was my point, breast implants are a personal choice, every girl with half a brain knows that they are not expected to have implants.

    If you are correct saying that seeing models with implants influence these girls to get them i think that instead those girls should be shot because frankly if they have so little common sense i don't think they deserve life.
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    (Original post by Jxhn)
    *Flexes fingers*

    I like how you kept gender out of it when you said "young children." What is clear throughout this is the assumption that men are susceptible to violence and our society's sexualisation creates rapists from male children.
    The evidence suggests that men are more susceptible to violence, for example between 82% and 94% of crimes against the person (in 2006 in England and Wales) were committed by men. Naturally this shouldn't be used as an indictment against all men but it does suggest that attempts to reduce violence can be appropriately gendered.

    Source:

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=1661
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    (Original post by vroom9)
    No offence but I think the argument that you can change the way men have seen women for millions of years, overnight, is a bit naive. The difference is that girls take their magazines seriously, which are to an extent are more damaging. On any fashionable girls mags cover you will generally have
    1. an attractive model, who is thin, or someone like cheryl cole modelling something
    2. next to it, advertising new tips for losing weight or dieting
    3. advertising sex advice
    So the general jist is, if you're not thin, or hence not "pretty" and you dont know how to pleasure a bf then your bf will leave you / you won't be desirable.

    Banning something you personally don't agree with it counterproductive to the sort of free society that gives feminism a voice.
    I didn't suggest that perceptions of women would change 'overnight'. They won't. The banning on lad's mags would just be a small step in the right direction.

    I agree with your point about women taking magazines more seriously, but I refuse to take it at face value. You have to question why they do. Women are socialised to believe they must be attractive and appealing to men to be successful, and magazines exploit this in order to shift units. Most magazines will be owned by men, and it suits them for women to believe this as they make money out of it and women continue to suffer so that they are attractive to men. There is nothing in women's nature that makes them more likely to fall for advertising, but they have been brought up in a society that tells them they must look good, which is not so much of an issue for men.
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    I agree but any more of this feminist ******** and "things" have to be done.
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    I agree with all the actual points that were quoted in the OP, but not really with banning them - if people are stupid enough to buy them, it's not really right to ban them.
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    (Original post by MikeL230)
    Feminists, a bunch a women annoyed they haven't got laid in a while.
    Like John Stuart Mill? A woman who hadn't gotten laid in a while? Is that why he was so strongly concerned with feminist issues?
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    Start a malelist soc and ban mags with soapy men in them :woo:
 
 
 
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