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    The fact that guys are attending that event is pathetic. The things people will go through to get laid
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    I agree with all five statements. I personally do not take any interest in female magazines with sexualised images of men and think they ought to be banned as well. I think the root of the problem is that were surrounded by such unrealistic, unhealthy portrayals of men/woman which is why it is hard to really be able to understand the other gender. And I think it is different with sexualised images of men anyway as topless men with six packs are seen as masculine players/ dominating Predators whereas with sexual images of women they are often seen to be passive victims so there is an unbalance. To those who say it is an infringement of liberty - Almost all laws are some form of social engineering and therefore mould us to be certain people and thus infringe personal liberty.
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    (Original post by Paul Bartram)
    Yeh, if they feel the need to ban these, then they should also ban all the glossy mags with pics of men, normally soaking wet on the beach etc.
    This.
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    So by banning them all they will do is lose business to shops that aren't controlled by feminists lol. It seems a bit pointless.
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    (Original post by Liverpool's Number 9)
    As usual this is just an example of people who campaigned for what they wanted (equality), got it and now want to move the bar again because they didn't actually want it in the first place.
    ^you just summed up modern feminism better than I ever have
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    (Original post by x_icefox_x)
    You will be surprised how many young teenage girls look up at the shelf and see this women big breasted and stunning and they think to them self i want to be like that, when really what they are looking at is totally fake.
    I can understand where you are coming from about single men needing to have the comfort of porn as such, I am so glad my boyfriend is against pornography and lads mags and see them as a turn off and waste of space.
    I guess everyone is different thats what makes the world interesting, i just hate the fact that all men are classed as perves and sex predators and classed to look and like all the porn and topless models, when really it is not like that at all, all guys are different some guys dont like it some do. Some guys dont want to look at anyone but their partner but some people cant see that and think its a load of rubbish.
    But you got to admit that Britain has not really got any culture we still keep going.
    And the teenage pregnancy issue, yeah some people do have children young and they are good parents and commited, but I cant stand these teenagers who think it is big to have a baby in order to get a house and money, when really they are in a broken relationship have no support and the baby has to be brought up in a broken family. I just think more teenagers should wait and settle down and be properly ready.
    Well I'm not about to say I'm an authority on teenage girls (though the ones I've date have never looked up to anyone from a magazine for getting their breasts out, quite the opposite actually) so I will concede to that point, however I might suggest that the fact they have no role model in the first place is the more worrying issue and if that is down to a teenage pregnancy in a loveless environment with drink problems then yes I seee your point.

    Personally most men I know prefer real to fake breasts especially to the touch. The fact that some people believe they need implants is no different to any other cosmetic surgery that boosts self esteem and I'm not against it in general and believe like most things it should be looked at in context within a case to case basis.

    I have enjoyed porn as part of a relationship while at the same time enjoyed more meaningful moments of compassion and dare I say love in a physical and emotional way so where is the harm in porn in that situation in your eyes?

    I can quite easily admit you are right in that Britain's culture is falling apart but I don't see how putting topless women in magazines is tantamount to the same thing. I believe Playboy has been going since the 60's and I didn't see a drastic change in society for the worse at that time. Also if you ever read a Playboy it is very classy in the way they view and portray the female form. The idea being that women are to be celebrated and this is just one of the many ways of doing so.

    Teenage pregnancy in general is a problem I'd agree but again I think each case is different and I feel sorry for those lumped in with the rest of the chavtastic idiots who want a council house and benefits and see a kid like a pawn for a rise in social status. I put that down to their own insecurities and lack of belief in themselves.

    I think in a lot of ways we agree, the main difference to me being while your live and let live beliefs are based around a perfect society, mine are based around a realistic society where people are free to express themselves as they wish within the framework of the law.

    You want true perfection? Well it has to be imperfect.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I didn't suggest that perceptions of women would change 'overnight'. They won't. The banning on lad's mags would just be a small step in the right direction.

    I agree with your point about women taking magazines more seriously, but I refuse to take it at face value. You have to question why they do. Women are socialised to believe they must be attractive and appealing to men to be successful, and magazines exploit this in order to shift units. Most magazines will be owned by men, and it suits them for women to believe this as they make money out of it and women continue to suffer so that they are attractive to men. There is nothing in women's nature that makes them more likely to fall for advertising, but they have been brought up in a society that tells them they must look good, which is not so much of an issue for men.
    So you'll agree with his point that womens mags are even more harmful than lads mags, yet you support banning lads mags without questioning why? wheras with womens mags you decide that men are just exploiting women for money? People are in bussiness to make money, men/women at the top of a company are all there for the same reason. Your implication that men are the only ones who would exploit people for money is ignorant and sexist

    I've already posted in this thread and pointed out the crap arguements the original group made, but I'm going to reply again as no one responded to it.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    You've missed the point. People might not go out and rape someone because they've seen women portrayed as sexual objects, but it does reinforce the idea that women are things men use to for sex. Men regularly honk their horns at women and touch them inappropriately without thinking much of it. It's degrading and offensive, and I believe that the lad's mag culture has mainstreamed this attitude towards women. This attitude would exist without these magazines, but it should at least be acknowledged that it is unacceptable to behave like that. Banning them might make men think about the way they treat and think about women.

    Porn is a difficult issue as I think it would still exist whether it was legal or not, just like child pornography. This could lead to vulnerable women experiencing more exploitation without the rules and regulations that currently exist. For this reason, I don't think it should be banned (although still unsure about it).
    Personally, in my 19 years on this earth I have never seen that happen. Not once. At all. Well, the touching, but only between couples, and that doesn't really count does it?
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    (Original post by lm_wfc)
    So you'll agree with his point that womens mags are even more harmful than lads mags, yet you support banning lads mags without questioning why? wheras with womens mags you decide that men are just exploiting women for money? People are in bussiness to make money, men/women at the top of a company are all there for the same reason. Your implication that men are the only ones who would exploit people for money is ignorant and sexist

    I've already posted in this thread and pointed out the crap arguements the original group made, but I'm going to reply again as no one responded to it.
    I read your first reply and I thought it was too ridiculous to bother to respond. "misogynistic implies the dislike of women. its sort of the opposite". You do know that ******* over women is not the same as liking women as people? Just because they like women's bodies doesn't mean they respect women themselves as equals.

    I didn't imply that women don't exploit people for profit, but the fact is that men generally are in the top positions in many businesses, including media.
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    I'll call a spade a spade here.It's a fallacy to think that these feminazis are happy about there being glossy mags full of handsome men for girls to buy.If they could they would ban them too but aren't stupid because a lot of girls would not be happy about it. They would ban those mags not because they care about men being 'exploited' but they don't like the idea of hetro sexual sex and want all girls to rub munch.

    Secondly have they bothered to ask all the girls who model in said mags how 'exploited' they feel or the massive numbers of girls who aspire to be pictured in them? So they feel they know whats good for the entire female population do they? they are as bad as the 'wicked men' who publish those magazines and papers.

    Personally I wouldn't read the sun anyway, and nuts etc, are boring too. But I don't like censorship either. Perhaps we should just take sexual references out of everything on campus and that includes all the Gay.Bi societies and any newsletters they might publish. We should all be A sexual and live in a plastic bubble and get offended all the time.Right.
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    Personally, in my 19 years on this earth I have never seen that happen. Not once. At all. Well, the touching, but only between couples, and that doesn't really count does it?
    In my 19 years I have experienced it at least every month for the last five years. Unless she is very overweight, I would bet most females my age could say the same thing.
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    (Original post by Elementric)
    Cringe. I honestly do despair sometimes. I'm not going to reiterate every logical and well reasoned argument in this thread (please, you can read them yourselves), but essential relay the conclusion: you're idiots.
    Why?
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    In my 19 years I have experienced it at least every month for the last five years. Unless she is very overweight, I would bet most females my age could say the same thing.
    How many times have you had horns honked at you? seriously now? :p:
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I read your first reply and I thought it was too ridiculous to bother to respond. "misogynistic implies the dislike of women. its sort of the opposite". You do know that ******* over women is not the same as liking women as people? Just because they like women's bodies doesn't mean they respect women themselves as equals.

    I didn't imply that women don't exploit people for profit, but the fact is that men generally are in the top positions in many businesses, including media.
    excuse me, but how narrow-minded are you?

    ******* does not mean they like women as people - true.

    so where did "******* over women = seeing women as objects" come from?

    i mean come on! that is so hyprocritical. the very same logic that makes the same sentence true also makes the second one false.


    ps i am all for more women's rights. but dont you realise that you need to change the channel through which to achieve it as this is offending. stereotyping and generalising all men to see women as objects simply because they like to see some boobies is the wrong way forward.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I read your first reply and I thought it was too ridiculous to bother to respond. "misogynistic implies the dislike of women. its sort of the opposite". You do know that ******* over women is not the same as liking women as people? Just because they like women's bodies doesn't mean they respect women themselves as equals.

    I didn't imply that women don't exploit people for profit, but the fact is that men generally are in the top positions in many businesses, including media.
    My first point wasn't really that serious - but liking pictures of them still has no link to disliking them as people does it?

    The fact men generally are in the top positions of business is true yes. Many of them are also between 30 -50, you didnt say middle aged men did you.
    If you weren't trying to imply it was men that exploit people for profit, then there was no need to explicitly men it was men.

    Most magazines will be owned by men, and it suits them for women to believe this as they make money out of it and women continue to suffer so that they are attractive to men.
    The whole of that sentence implies men exploit women for profit. When in reality men exploit men, women exploit women, and women exploit men also.

    That statement was and is sexist.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I read your first reply and I thought it was too ridiculous to bother to respond. "misogynistic implies the dislike of women. its sort of the opposite". You do know that ******* over women is not the same as liking women as people? Just because they like women's bodies doesn't mean they respect women themselves as equals.

    I didn't imply that women don't exploit people for profit, but the fact is that men generally are in the top positions in many businesses, including media.
    This is the problem I have with things like feminism or certain ideas, its very textbook in its approach to things because its more about going off on personal tangents and basically using stereotypes to back itself up.

    Please dont take this the wrong way as I dont mean to offend but I have seen a certain amount of female posters like yourself and they are quick to jump out and mention that men are still the majority in well paid jobs, women find it harder due to traditions and sexism etc but that is just textbook, it doesnt make it true, untrue or even partly true what it does is it looks at the fact that there is more men in high powered/paid jobs and women often struggle therefore a link is made saying this means women have it harder therefore its easy for men, or justified for women to have their views about men etc.

    This is also the problem I have with womens "rights" as to me I believe greatly in equality but like any form be it race, country, sex, even postcode is that often you have to judge the difference between positive discrimination and not letting things change.

    I think men and women of any race should have the same opportunities and the problem is that because womens rights are relatively recent businesses have old systems in place so if a woman or say a black male goes into a business that is traditionally white male it creates a form of seclusion, and blaming men for things is an easy way out. Also because more people these days are "educated" we see things that we point out which create friction between many parties.
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    (Original post by Libtolu)
    where as magazines with pictures of half naked men don;t do the same?
    They do. They should be banned as well. To be honest, any magazine, newspaper, billboard, advertisment displaying half-naked models (male or female) should be illegal. I've noticed perfume ads tend to use half-naked men a lot. Its all part of this sexualisation of society which needs to be stopped.
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    (Original post by Jxhn)
    The feminist society at the LSE have submitted a proposal to ban The Sun and 'Lads Mags' from our Student Union shop.



    What do people think?
    I think you should get in touch with the sun about such a daft proposal. Watch them lambast feminists in their paper :cool:
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    (Original post by Libtolu)
    womens breast are a secondary sexual organ. but women still swoon over seeing mens sixpacks etc so in essence topless men are seen a sexy by women.

    Breasts are meant to excentuate readyness to breed and feed babies but they are not supposed to be covered up, if our species were supposed to be "covered up" then why are we not born with clothes or fur on? the fact is nakedness is natural and prudes in society dictate what is and isn't acceptable it is this attitude which sexualises nudity not some woman getting ehr baps out in a paper.

    Porn is a byproduct of having a hormone induced sex drive, even back i the ******* roman times people were drawing pornobooks and graffiting on walls with porn, it is not a new phenomonen nor one specific to our culture.

    And tell me when has teenage preganancy become the norm? i know very few young girls who have had children infact our of all the girls i know 2 have children and they were old enough to do so at the time and are in stable relationships and can support their offspring without relying on the dole, who are you to tell them this is wrong?

    SOmething that does seem to be apparent in our culture is idiocy sputed by idiots like you who have no life, have barely lived and ignore many peoples arguments, logical arguments i add, because they don't fit your point of view and you label them as sex mad dudes who just **** their day away. Yeah from where im standing your the one who seems unreasonable.


    Drinking has been a part of all cultures for 1000's of years not just british culture, the only reason we have a problem with it is because people see it as forbidden fruit and when they turn 18 go wild on it, if like the french parents introduced alcohol early on we wouldn't have this problem and most cultures worldwide have an element of hardcore drinkers somewhere but their medias have something better to do then demonise their own cultures. As it is our media is a bunch of sensationalist nonsense that idiots like you take for granted and form opinions based on that. When you have met every single british person and can verify that all they care about is drink,baps and getting girls pregnant then i will take you idiotic spew seriously until then get a life.

    The people who think the slight showing of a breast is sexually explicit are the ones who see all women as sex objects, tits are tits yes they are nice but a naked woman is a naked woman, shes still a person if you can only think about sex when you see tits you need to get out more and possibly i don't know try attracting the opposite sex so your views on sex don't stay juvenile for all of your life.

    Live and let live, didn't your parents ever teach you that or were you too busy reading the daily fail crying that our country has gone to the dogs.
    This!

    Everything that I wished to say, but expressed in a much more articulate and structured manner than I ever could. Bravo sir, bravo.
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    How many times have you had horns honked at you? seriously now? :p:
    It happens regularly. When I go out in a skirt, I have to expect it. Once someone wound down their window and shouted "I can see your fanny" at me. It wasn't even that short, but that is beside the point. Why should women have to put up with that? My 43-year-old mum got honked at when she was running just because she was wearing shorts. It's ******* degrading.
 
 
 
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