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    (Original post by Simplicity)
    Well, not really if Hitler would have won then it would not be that strange to imagine a few years later Hitler taking America.

    So no, America went to war when Germany declared war on America, hence why it was self interest.
    No, Hitler would not have taken America. The Germans would have had to cross an ocean, which would make it clear they were coming. They then would have had to deal with the largest industrial economy in the world with tons and tons of weapons, a larger military, and tactics vastly superior to those of many of their European opponents. They also would have faced an armed citizenry, as most Americans at the time owned guns and would have been willing to fight from within conquered territory.

    It never would have worked.


    Poland isn't really a improtant country. That is actually incorrect, certainly the Russian military did make lots of plans for a pre emptive attack on Germany. Actually, US came in so late that I don't actually believe that. Certainly, UK needed help at start of the war not the end.
    There's still a debate on whether the Russians actually were making plans to attack Germany or whether that's just a bunch of post-war Soviet propaganda. And who cares if Poland wasn't important? It doesn't change the fact that the USSR still wanted a slice of it just for their own territorial expansion.

    And yes, the UK still needed help when we entered the war. Which was NOT at the end, mind you. I already pointed that out, there was another four years to go.

    Hmm, to be fair USSR could have taken the whole of Germany, as it was the first to reach Berlin. It was much later that the USSR started to take control of eastern europe.
    Actually, the Americans and British had the option of reaching Berlin first, but we allowed the Russians to take it because they had suffered more.

    P.S. But, lol US brainwashes the citizens to thinking that the US are always the good guys. Yet, US history is of racism, genocide, slavery and finally war. Good guys don't drop two nuclear weapons on two big cities.
    They do when it actually could save millions of lives. Which it did.

    And don't forget that the dropping of the atomic bombs was committed by a different presidential administration than the one that was in power throughout most of the war. You may disagree with the actions, but that doesn't mean that "The Americans" as a whole were "the bad guys."

    (Original post by Simplicity)
    P.S. Lol, but in America people say it was capitalism that made America successful, but in a way it was slaver and war.
    No it wasn't.
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    (Original post by Texan88)
    Generalizing an entire nation is pretty lame. That's like me saying everyone in England have horrible teeth, drink too much, and drink tea...
    two out of three I guess?
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    If one nation is to be credited with the overwhelming influence in WWII, it would have to be the USSR. Their casualties absolutely dwarfed everybody else's put together.
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    (Original post by Simplicity)
    Yeah. But, lol. It just seems there is a view that the US is superior and that it will
    save the world, hence Afganistan and Iraq. Yet, both are in a bad civil war.

    P.S. Lol, but in America people say it was capitalism that made America successful, but in a way it was slaver and war.

    Yes only the americans were made a successful country because of slavery and war. We didn't go around conquering different nations (other than the native ones) and stealing their resources. When it comes to war America is nothing compared to how often the nations of europe have gone to war with eachother.

    (Original post by Dionysus)
    If one nation is to be credited with the overwhelming influence in WWII, it would have to be the USSR. Their casualties absolutely dwarfed everybody else's put together.

    How many of those casualties were self inflicted?
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    It was an allied effort (no pun intended).

    I think the greatest US involvement was in the Pacific Theatre, as they were largely responsible for driving back the Japanese in the Southern Pacific, New Guinea and other areas. Of course, the Australians and New Zealanders also fought in the Pacific, but most of the military personnel were American. Most of the important battles in the Pacific War, like Guadalcanal, Midway, Okinawa, Iwo Jima, etc. were largely fought by the Americans.
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    Yes.
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    The Allies were drawing against the Axis 2-2 on the 87th minute, however the Axis were down to 9 men, so it was definitely the Allies advantage, it was only a matter of time before Allies would beat Axis but they may have had to go into extra time. However, the Allies made a 89th minute substitution and America swooped a header from 10 yards from a resulting corner to snatch the win 3-2 on the 92nd minute.
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    Let's put it this way.

    Without Britain, the war would have been won by Germany.

    Without USSR, the war would have been won by Germany.

    Those are definite.

    Without US, the war may have been won by Germany. Considering that even before they joined in, they were helping out via trade. Also the war against Japan could not have been won without US IMO.
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    Ah Simpson's quote!

    The answer is a resounding 'no'. They got into the war later, (as they did in WW1 of 1914-18...or, as the Americans know it, WW1 of 1917-18), when the Japanese attacked them. They got involved partly because of their own self-interest after Pearl Harbour and joined the war in December 1941. The Japanese were allies of Germany et al; if Germany took over Europe, America would have been screwed and powerless as they next looked to America and helped out the Japanese. So the answer is the Americans were a major help, but they saved their own asses - they saved ours as much as we saved theirs, if Germany had taken over Britain, America would have been next.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    No, Hitler would not have taken America. The Germans would have had to cross an ocean, which would make it clear they were coming. They then would have had to deal with the largest industrial economy in the world with tons and tons of weapons, a larger military, and tactics vastly superior to those of many of their European opponents. They also would have faced an armed citizenry, as most Americans at the time owned guns and would have been willing to fight from within conquered territory.

    It never would have worked.



    There's still a debate on whether the Russians actually were making plans to attack Germany or whether that's just a bunch of post-war Soviet propaganda. And who cares if Poland wasn't important? It doesn't change the fact that the USSR still wanted a slice of it just for their own territorial expansion.

    And yes, the UK still needed help when we entered the war. Which was NOT at the end, mind you. I already pointed that out, there was another four years to go.


    Actually, the Americans and British had the option of reaching Berlin first, but we allowed the Russians to take it because they had suffered more.


    They do when it actually could save millions of lives. Which it did.

    And don't forget that the dropping of the atomic bombs was committed by a different presidential administration than the one that was in power throughout most of the war. You may disagree with the actions, but that doesn't mean that "The Americans" as a whole were "the bad guys."


    No it wasn't.
    Hmm, some form of biological warfare could have been possible. Also, Hitler invested lots in biology and they had lots of Jews as test subjects. If Hilter would have taken Europe then in a few years times he would have the whole force of Europe on America. So lol, in the course of it how long would America be able to survive a trade blockade?

    Hmm, well on propaganda, US totally ignored the effort of the Russians, so lol you can't really trust US historians. Anyway, so Russia makes one questionable decision in a war. US would have done the same if they were in Russias shoes, i.e. going to war when it was declared on them.
    Note, the KKK was really strong at that time, so lol you assume people will be fighting the Nazis and not agreeing with them.

    Not really again. Note, German troops where giving up and surrendering at the time because they didn't want to be captured by the Russians.

    Hmm. Well, US came out the big winners, as they not only got a piece of Germany but they also got a ton of money from the UK. For a country who supposely did it for the good they did get a big reward. Lol, goodness of heart, the US was in a depression and after the war was a superpower.
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    (Original post by TerryTerry)
    They got involved partly because of their own self-interest after Pearl Harbour and joined the war in December 1949.
    And there goes your credibility...
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    (Original post by Simplicity)
    Hmm, some form of biological warfare could have been possible. Also, Hitler invested lots in biology and they had lots of Jews as test subjects. If Hilter would have taken Europe then in a few years times he would have the whole force of Europe on America. So lol, in the course of it how long would America be able to survive a trade blockade?
    Any form of biological warfare the Germans would have come up with could have easily been replicated by us.

    Hmm, well on propaganda, US totally ignored the effort of the Russians, so lol you can't really trust US historians. Anyway, so Russia makes one questionable decision in a war. US would have done the same if they were in Russias shoes, i.e. going to war when it was declared on them.
    We didn't ignore the effort of the Russians, and historians certainly didn't.

    And yes, we would have gone to war when it was declared on us as well. But we also went to war with Germany when it wasn't necessary for our own preservation. The USSR on the other hand tried to exploit Germany's foreign policy to make territory gains of their own.

    Note, the KKK was really strong at that time, so lol you assume people will be fighting the Nazis and not agreeing with them.
    The KKK was not strong, and the only thing they had in common with the Nazis was racism. The Nazis still would have been foreign, oppressive occupiers to them and that would not have gone well with anyone.

    Not really again. Note, German troops where giving up and surrendering at the time because they didn't want to be captured by the Russians.
    So? We still would have gotten there first.

    Hmm. Well, US came out the big winners, as they not only got a piece of Germany but they also got a ton of money from the UK. For a country who supposely did it for the good they did get a big reward. Lol, goodness of heart, the US was in a depression and after the war was a superpower.
    We didn't get a piece of Germany, and we didn't get the rest of our money from the UK until 2003. It's not exactly a major economic investment when the "money" you're apparently making was your money to begin with.
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    (Original post by Texan88)
    Yes only the americans were made a successful country because of slavery and war. We didn't go around conquering different nations (other than the native ones) and stealing their resources. When it comes to war America is nothing compared to how often the nations of europe have gone to war with eachother.
    Well, America is pretty safe only intill modern times. But, lol America did profit greatly in terms of money and in terms of economy from WW2, hence why they probably joined.

    Ironic, is that America is the only country that seems to be going to war now. From Cold war and say Vietnam, and now the Iraq war. I can understand the Iraq war as Iraq is rich on oil, hmm stealing others resources.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    And there goes your credibility...
    oops typo - 1941, lol
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    (Original post by TerryTerry)
    oops typo - 1941, lol
    That's better.

    I'll address the rest now - we did not help you to save our own asses. We may have been fighting Japan for our own interests (though we had been hostile to them already because of their foreign policy), but we had no real need to fight the Germans. There are even theories out there that the Roosevelt administration allowed the Pearl Harbor attack to take place to give them a solid reason to go to war.

    Hitler's alliance with Japan is irrelevant, really. Had we focused on Japan and not bothered with Germany, we would have taken them out much more quickly and wouldn't have to worry about a Japanese-supported German invasion of the US.
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    This reminded me of this,

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    In MW2 they saved Burger Town.

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    (Original post by Texan88)
    Generalizing an entire nation is pretty lame. That's like me saying everyone in England have horrible teeth, drink too much, and drink tea...
    I'd like to think I tick two of those boxes...
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    This reminded me of this,

    "Europe had already been at war for four years before you entered it."

    An entire four years elapsed between 1939 and 1941??
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    No, Russia did.
 
 
 
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