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    (Original post by xands)
    We should never forget the sacrifice our troops have made, no matter what you think about the war or it's purpose.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vfo1vxDLGk

    I love the music in this, very emotive..
    Could not have put it any better: thanks for the link
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    (Original post by digistar_100)
    It sickens me these people are given the title of heros on western media and named, whilst they are butchering Iraqi citizens. Do a favour and get out of their land.
    We arn't in Iraq any more. Keep up
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    (Original post by digistar_100)
    It sickens me these people are given the title of heros on western media and named, whilst they are butchering Iraqi citizens. Do a favour and get out of their land.

    Funny, how what you said has as much realistic weight as me saying all muslims are bomb blasting douchefags. Oh, and keep up with the times, we aren't in Iraq any more..
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    (Original post by adamrules247)
    Too true. The sad thing about TSR is that is full of bleed your heart out liberals who are the friends of terrorists and murderers but ne'er the brave.
    Amen to that.

    all liberal governments are corrupt anyway.

    I also hate the way the "liberated" has been hijacked by "liberals"

    *******s
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    Whoever negged me please PM me, hilariously stupid.
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    (Original post by Jeremy_Whiskers)
    I don't really call murder brave, however my sympathies still go out.
    Good job its not murder then...

    Still I think the behaviour of a lot of people in the British and American army's these days lets the whole establishment down and makes people sceptical about dubbing them heroes.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    That is a 1 in 760 chance of dieing. The chances of a young male being murdered in the UK has only slightly better odds.
    No. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2246580.ece
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    The troops made a great sacrifice for the ruling class.
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    (Original post by right_good_boodjie)
    No. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2246580.ece
    I extrapolated it to the whole of the forces for perspective... The murder rate among the population as a whole is 1 in 100, and for young men the odds are even greater.
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    I'm more sad for the innocent civilians who have died. To consider troops as heroes is just retarded.
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    (Original post by shark67)
    I'm more sad for the innocent civilians who have died.
    This is what I was going to say...
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    There are approximately 190,000 people in the British forces. 250 people have died in 8-9 years in Afghanistan. That is a 1 in 760 chance of dieing. The chances of a young male being murdered in the UK has only slightly better odds. They are taking a minimal risk for a rather large pay increase, with good prospects and a good career. They are hardly hard done by. It's a difficult job, but seriously, why has our society gone so soft?
    Fail at statistics.

    That includes admin.

    Around 50k soldiers go to fight.

    And then add those who are wounded with limbs off.

    And re-work that figure.

    And has our society gone soft? Soldiers have been seen as hero's for centuries you ****.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Fail at statistics.

    That includes admin.

    Around 50k soldiers go to fight.

    And then add those who are wounded with limbs off.

    And re-work that figure.

    And has our society gone soft? Soldiers have been seen as hero's for centuries you ****.
    If you add thouse wounded the figure only goes up 500 people at max. 750 casualties in a war such as this is an extremely small loss for our state to tollerate. Our society has clearly gone soft if they can't handle seeing 250 people die, when previously tens of thousands of people died in each and every war we fought. There is just this overwhelming sense that nothing is worth dieing for anymore, and if the enemy and its people are willing to go that far we are always bound to lose. In standard Clausewitzian theory the public are an essential part of any war effort, and the public just doesn't have the stomach for it any more. The same thing happened to the Romans following the particularly bloody period at around 100-200 AD, and it never recovered until Hadrian - by which time it was too late.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    If you add thouse wounded the figure only goes up 500 people at max. 750 casualties in a war such as this is an extremely small loss for our state to tollerate. Our society has clearly gone soft if they can't handle seeing 250 people die, when previously tens of thousands of people died in each and every war we fought. There is just this overwhelming sense that nothing is worth dieing for anymore, and if the enemy and its people are willing to go that far we are always bound to lose. In standard Clausewitzian theory the public are an essential part of any war effort, and the public just doesn't have the stomach for it any more. The same thing happened to the Romans following the particularly bloody period at around 100-200 AD, and it never recovered until Hadrian - by which time it was too late.
    So wait, 1/700 has become 1/80 that you will be injured to the state of a wheelchair.

    Erm the Falklands? What are you on about.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    So wait, 1/700 has become 1/80 that you will be injured to the state of a wheelchair.

    Erm the Falklands? What are you on about.
    I do not agree with the 1/80 figure. Those men chose that specific specialisation; they could have worked anywhere else in the forces. They are a tool of the state, not the state. They are there to enforce democracy not practice it. The Falklands was over the space of 2 months, nobody really had time to object. Every time there has been a scenario where we must engage in some sort of attrition the people have lost the appetite for it, if there was a war that lasted 20 years and 100 soldiers died, and a war that lasted 1 month and 1000 soldiers died, then historically speaking since WWII the war that lasted 20 years would be extremely unpopular.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    I do not agree with the 1/80 figure. Those men chose that specific specialisation; they could have worked anywhere else in the forces. They are a tool of the state, not the state. They are there to enforce democracy not practice it. The Falklands was over the space of 2 months, nobody really had time to object. Every time there has been a scenario where we must engage in some sort of attrition the people have lost the appetite for it, if there was a war that lasted 20 years and 100 soldiers died, and a war that lasted 1 month and 1000 soldiers died, then historically speaking since WWII the war that lasted 20 years would be extremely unpopular.
    Yeah well you chose to walk down the street so you getting killed by a car is your own fault, you could have stayed at home.

    And no, WW2 was to defend Britain.
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    Okay, so, what do our forces do that is so heroic for us?
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    (Original post by Bobifier)
    Okay, so, what do our forces do that is so heroic for us?
    The fact your typing English and not German or Russian explains it well enough.
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    (Original post by Bobifier)
    Okay, so, what do our forces do that is so heroic for us?
    A ******** more than you do, or ever will do, in your life, cretin.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    The fact your typing English and not German or Russian explains it well enough.
    I said what do they do, not what did they do 60 years ago. Those were different men in different circumstances.
 
 
 
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