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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    An excellent film to watch on this subject is "An Ungentlemanly Act."
    LOVE that film! really really good its so gritty and you can actually beilive that its happening as its very unhollywood and very british indeed!
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    (Original post by Alexio)
    which is doubtful anyway as our submarines would be there sharpish and hopefully sink everything they had
    :rolleyes: Thats assuming we happen to have a sub in the south atlantic at that time. realistically it would take AT LEAST 2 weeks to get hunter killers in area with full scenario based armament and stored for a long deployment. Even if we had a sub in the south atlantic it would probably go to acension island to arm up with max load, fully store etc.

    (Original post by Alexio)
    but if they did manage to land troops, our infantry, coupled with the ground attack capability of the Typhoon would certainly grind their forces down to a halt.
    Slow them down, yes, stop no. Its simple numbers game. Sure we could inflict a lot of damage but even the argies wouldnt be stupid enough to invade with a small force. theyd use a large assault force backed up with commandos and special forces already inserted.

    Yes we have a larger force in place than in 1982 but its still not enough to stop a large invasion force.

    Plus i suspect the Governor of the Falklands would ask the UK forces to surrender as soon as stanley comes under heavy artillary and civilian casualties sky rocket. And you just know any invading force would target stanley for exactly that reason!!

    (Original post by Alexio)
    Then, within one or two days another squadron of Typhoons, and any other land launched aircraft could be in the area to help.
    The logistics of moving a whole squadron is massive! even if you get it to Wideawake, remember that it took 11 tankers to get 2 vulcans to stanley and back!!
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    (Original post by Alexio)
    The Typhoon has 13 points where it can carry weapons. It is likely that most of these, if not all, in the event of an Argentine invasion would be dedicated for use by air-to-air missiles. If we assume six would be used as BVR (Beyond Visual Range missiles) then we can also assume that the four Typhoons would inflict twenty-four losses on the Argentines with one flyout, as I doubt the evasive effectiveness of the Argentine fighters, and this isn't even counting the WVR missiles they would be carrying, nor the Rapier missiles launched by ground forces, nor by anti-aircraft missile launcher by the Royal Navy. The Argentine ability to withstand such losses is non-existant.

    A fleet? What fleet?

    I said we'd send our Nuclear Submarines sharpish, and as there are always two of these one patrol at any one time, these could be both dispatched immediately to the Falklands area and there within a fortnight, ready to cause significant damage to any 'fleet' the Argentines sent. In fact, as we now have a significant military presence on the islands, if the government seriously felt the Falklands was once more threatened they would likely send the subs as a precaution in case of invasion.

    Typhoons would easily get to the Falklands within a few days, with either mid-flight refuelling or stopping off in the US or another nation.

    I said 'if the Argies attacked when we have our F35s', which means we WOULD have F35s, and most likely also have our CVFs as well to get them there. Couple this with the fact that we'd also have our Type 45s fully operational, the effectiveness of the outdated Argie air force is basically nullified.
    See warrenpenalver's post below for the bits in your post I can't be bothered to answer/humour you with. I don't think you quite understand the logistics of what your suggesting.

    And if you can assume that in year 20*0 we will have F35s....can I assume the Argies will have second hand SU-37s? Could be a fun one.

    Typhoons would NOT easily get to the Falklands within a few days. Sorry.
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    (Original post by Rogerio134)
    LOVE that film! really really good its so gritty and you can actually beilive that its happening as its very unhollywood and very british indeed!
    Yep, very good. Not bull-****, just straight to the point.

    (Original post by warrenpenalver)
    realistically it would take AT LEAST 2 weeks to get hunter killers in area with full scenario based armament and stored for a long deployment.
    Hunter killers? So we'd be fighting the Argies with these?



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    (Original post by Simplicity)
    What ever Americans reaction is.
    What's with your sig?
    Some of those overhead blocks will break when bashed.
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    (Original post by warrenpenalver)
    Plus i suspect the Governor of the Falklands would ask the UK forces to surrender as soon as stanley comes under heavy artillary and civilian casualties sky rocket. And you just know any invading force would target stanley for exactly that reason!!
    No, they (the Falklands government) wouldn't.
    If they had to, the civil government in Stanley would surrender until help arrived, but don't for one minute think that the populous in FI would baulk at the risk. Or at least that is the view they had when I asked them.

    As for how successful 1435 would be at stopping Argentinian forces, many things come into play, principally ensuring that surprise isn't on their side.
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    (Original post by mountainmetman)
    No, they (the Falklands government) wouldn't.
    If they had to, the civil government in Stanley would surrender until help arrived, but don't for one minute think that the populous in FI would baulk at the risk. Or at least that is the view they had when I asked them.
    so you think the FI defence force would keep on fighting against an overwhelming force knowing they are acheiving nothing except extra deaths of innocent civilians as the battle becomes house to house in stanley???

    Patriotic yes they most certainly are, stupid/suicidal they are not.

    You just have to look at the force used on the empty barracks in 1982, the argies claimed gas grenades and non lethal force used, the reality was that frag grenades and the whole place was riddled with machine gun fire.

    Be under no doubt if the argies were back they would have to use brutal and excessive force to force the population into submission.
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    (Original post by warrenpenalver)
    so you think the FI defence force would keep on fighting against an overwhelming force knowing they are acheiving nothing except extra deaths of innocent civilians as the battle becomes house to house in stanley???

    Patriotic yes they most certainly are, stupid/suicidal they are not.

    You just have to look at the force used on the empty barracks in 1982, the argies claimed gas grenades and non lethal force used, the reality was that frag grenades and the whole place was riddled with machine gun fire.

    Be under no doubt if the argies were back they would have to use brutal and excessive force to force the population into submission.
    The defence force is only part of the solution, the civvy government would do what is required for the safety of the people (like last time), fighting would only become house to house when the British forces took back the islands, by which point civilian population should be in secured areas.
    As for shelling civilian areas, there are some things that would guarantee international action, and doing it where you can get a broadband (ish) line out to send video, with an oil interest in the area, well...


    One of the things people forget is that the Argentinian forces honestly expected to be greeted as liberating heroes, freeing the Islanders from the Imperial boot of the British. This partially changed the tactics used, although some of the stuff that happened is, as you pointed out, horrific. Have a read of "74 days" by John Smith (nice bloke, unfortunately was working for most of his lectures) which is a diary of the occupation from an Islander's perspective.
    To be frank, it is acknowledged that any further invasion attempt would have to use overwhelming force, which is one of the reasons that a very keen eye is kept on events in Argentina, political, military and even socio-political. You can guarantee that, should there be a major exercise in the south of Argentina, attention will be paid. Heck, Penguin News features them sometimes.
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    ffs, how many times do we have to see this?

    but anyway:

    Labour: Gordon Brown was unable to give any comment regarding the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands as he is too busy umming and ahhing.

    Conservative: What would Maggie do? Oh right! Tally Ho chaps!
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    Ken Lukowiak was Sarah Brown's boyfriend, (the ex Prime Ministers wife).

    He was a 'Tom' who served with 2 Para, who saw the most action of any ground forces in the Falklands. 2 Para were described at the time as the "best elite force" in the world, due to how they performed in the Falklands, by Julian Thompson RMC, and Dair Farrar Hockley, Para.
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    Take them back with force again hopefully.

    (Original post by Democracy)
    This time maybe we could not sink a battleship filled with teenage recruits...
    They weren't recruits although many of them were young.
    The sinking of the Belgrano truly is a debateable issue however it should be put to rest now.

    It was not just the sinking of the Belgrano that was tragic but the consequences that followed for the Royal Navy.
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