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    (Original post by Srxjer)
    It's just a hunch, but it probably had something to do with a passage not too dissimilar to this:
    The text is refering to sex outside marriage, zina.

    (Original post by mrluvaluva)
    ******* muslim countries are so backward
    Epic fail, turkey is a secular state.

    (Original post by Right>Left)
    islam.......
    Culuture...
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    The only viable solution would be to ban everyone from these countries from having children.
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    Wow what a surprise, coming from a culture that reaks of humanitarianism /s
    On another note, it's their country, as long as it doesn't occur in this one, there's not much we can do tbh. You can just hope they'll enlighten themselves eventually about how to actually treat women properly
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    (Original post by FinishHim!)
    Is locking one's child in a basement a relatively common cultural practice in Austria?

    Perhaps provide a credible argument, rather than spewing juvenile insults.
    Yeah because the few cases that took place in Turkey make it a common practice... What about all the stabbings that take place here? These things happen in all countries, but the state is against it and that's what matters. You don't seem to understand the purpose of the EU.
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    Kurds are more stringent then I thought
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    QUOTE=RamocitoMorales]
    She's being called "Turkish" because the country 'Kurdistan' does not exist. [/QUOTE]
    Erm that does not mean "Turkish" people are not involved in incidents such as this. Yes, it is most commonly found in Kurdish families due to the lack of education provided...thanks to the Turkish government which on the whole, deprives them of such opportunities.

    For your information Kurdistan did exist but was taken away by four different countries, so, Kurdistan for kurds still does exist. It certainly still exists for me whether it has a name on the world map or not.


    (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
    We have many different peoples in Turkey, don't judge us based on one group. Especially when they're separatists.
    Its very ironic how you can assume that people are 'judging on one group' when you have the cheek to generalise the whole kurdish population as seperatists. Yes, i am a kurdish girl, from Turkey...
    Its people like you who seperate people from one another.
    The news report clearly states that it was a Turkish girl...if she was a Kurd, forget reaching British news reports, it will not even reach Turkish news reports. Its funny how you keep stressing that the girl was Kurdish...so what? She still lives in Turkey and she still is human.
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    (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
    She's being called "Turkish" because the country 'Kurdistan' does not exist.
    Erm that does not mean "Turkish" people are not involved in incidents such as this. Yes, it is most commonly found in Kurdish families due to the lack of education provided...thanks to the Turkish government which on the whole, deprives them of such opportunities.

    For your information Kurdistan did exist but was taken away by four different countries, so, Kurdistan for kurds still does exist. It certainly still exists for me whether it has a name on the world map or not.


    (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
    We have many different peoples in Turkey, don't judge us based on one group. Especially when they're separatists.
    Its very ironic how you can assume that people are 'judging on one group' when you have the cheek to generalise the whole kurdish population as seperatists. Yes, i am a kurdish girl, from Turkey...
    Its people like you who seperate people from one another.
    The news report clearly states that it was a Turkish girl...if she was a Kurd, forget reaching British news reports, it will not even reach Turkish news reports. Its funny how you keep stressing that the girl was Kurdish...so what? She still lives in Turkey and she still is human.
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    (Original post by PicsOrGTFO)
    I thought The Guardian was one of the more reliable newspapers!:confused:
    It was nicknamed The Grauniad due to it's frequent mistypes and inaccuracies!

    Fair play to The Guardian for having a sense of humor..click the link

    www.grauniad.co.uk
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    This is what happens if people don't watch porn.. jeez:woo: :eek3: :yep:
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    (Original post by xXx_pUnK_pOp_pRiNcEsS_xXx)
    Yeah because the few cases that took place in Turkey make it a common practice... What about all the stabbings that take place here? These things happen in all countries, but the state is against it and that's what matters. You don't seem to understand the purpose of the EU.
    But half of all murders in Turkey are honour killings, according to the report.
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    (Original post by jonjon123)
    The text is refering to sex outside marriage, zina.
    Says who? I very much doubt that was the interpretation in mind when the Qur'an was written in 600AD. Or the interpretation and order people carried out for over a thousand years afterwards. Even to this day - as the statistics of 'honor' killings per year shows us.

    And even if it was just sex outside of marriage, it's still a revolting passage that blatantly endorses murder.

    Pretty nice God you've got there.
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    Do not let Turkey anywhere near the EU, or these twisted, deluded morons will have freedom to come to live in the UK at their own leisure.
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    Give me an example of a non-islamic society in which girls are regularly savagely beaten or killed for having any sort of pre-marital relationship.

    And yes, I am quite happy to espouse such views publicly - despite what islam does to it's critics (Theo Van Gogh comes up as a prominent example). So stop with the thinly veiled threats.
    look up devadasi and the Indian Army being involved in prostitution
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Do not let Turkey anywhere near the EU, or these twisted, deluded morons will have freedom to come to live in the UK at their own leisure.
    ha , what about pedofillia in austria and even the UK

    if we cant make peace with liberal muslims like the Turks we have no chance of peace in this world
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    (Original post by Srxjer)
    Says who? I very much doubt that was the interpretation in mind when the Qur'an was written in 600AD. Or the interpretation and order people carried out for over a thousand years afterwards. Even to this day - as the statistics of 'honor' killings per year shows us.

    And even if it was just sex outside of marriage, it's still a revolting passage that blatantly endorses murder.

    Pretty nice God you've got there.
    Listen, I am an Islamic modernist. Wikipedia it. My god is "nice"; some of the people who have interpreted his teachings are not so nice. I do not agree with what they do, but what do you want me to do? These things have happened in these countries before Islam. I am just sad that Islam didn't stop it from continuing as with slavery but I am happy that Islam tried to slow the slave trade and these cultures to an extent. Anyway, let me ask you this: Francis Bok was a slave to a Muslim couple they made him convert to Islam and treated him like dirt, Francis Bok escaped with the help of a Muslim man who though slavery was wrong and helped him escape the town. Which Muslim was right?
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    (Original post by Thomassss)
    ha , what about pedofillia in austria and even the UK

    if we cant make peace with liberal muslims like the Turks we have no chance of peace in this world
    I respect turkey. I don't agree that this should be a deciding factor in their membership with the EU. I get frustrated when I see some less informed people comparing it to Britain and Austria. Britain and Austria don't have a whole area, which this is practised in.

    PS, I am a Muslim.
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    (Original post by Thomassss)
    ha , what about pedofillia in austria and even the UK

    if we cant make peace with liberal muslims like the Turks we have no chance of peace in this world
    1) Paedophilia is not a problem, child molestation is. They are two separate things. One is a harmless attraction, the other is the physical abuse of a child.

    2) Child molestation isn't a cultural export of Austria.

    3) You are completely correct that we have no chance of peace in this world. Not while there are people with vastly different, and extremely intolerable cultures and practices - especially in religious states, and particularly in Muslim ones.

    I would gladly give up world peace if it means remaining intolerant of Islamic culture. World peace isn't WORTH it if it means we have to accept, import, and encourage Islamic culture and practice.

    And what the hell is a "liberal muslim"? Sounds like a synonym for "hypocrite" to me.
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    (Original post by jonjon123)
    Listen, I am an Islamic modernist. Wikipedia it. My god is "nice"; some of the people who have interpreted his teachings are not so nice. I do not agree with what they do, but what do you want me to do? These things have happened in these countries before Islam. I am just sad that Islam didn't stop it from continuing as with slavery but I am happy that Islam tried to slow the slave trade and these cultures to an extent. Anyway, let me ask you this: Francis Bok was a slave to a Muslim couple they made him convert to Islam and treated him like dirt, Francis Bok escaped with the help of a Muslim man who though slavery was wrong and helped him escape the town. Which Muslim was right?
    You are watering down your religion to make the God in the Qur'an seem nice, and make him seem applicable to the modern western world. Anybody who reads the Qur'an without the intent to modernise it can see that the God described therein is anything but "nice".

    Secondly, in your example, there are two kinds of "right", really. There is "right according to the religion of Islam", and there is "right according to modern morality, as influenced by western culture and secular liberal values". Clearly, Francis was right, in terms of morality, to free a slave. But the family were "right" according to the Qur'an, which fully encourages the keeping of slaves.

    Quite clearly, the "moral right" should be propagated, and the "muslim right" should be abolished, because the muslim right is, quite often, morally wrong.
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    (Original post by Wild_Precious_Life)
    How many more generations of people do we need to go through before this kind of disgusting behaviour dies out?
    This. For goodness sake! I just don't understand how this is still happening! How can people who have been exposed even slightly to the world nowadays even consider something like this? It's sick.
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Quite clearly, the "moral right" should be propagated, and the "muslim right" should be abolished, because the muslim right is, quite often, morally wrong.
    I disagree, the words Western Morality are an oxymoron
 
 
 
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