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    (Original post by Simplicity)
    To be fair to Manchester, league tables give a bad picture of it. But, lol manchester only really does bad on student satifaction and lol a lot of unis put lots to move up league tables by basically getting people to give better satisfacation and other stuff.

    Hmm, http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1127514

    I wouldn't say IB is not targeted at Manchester as on the career event they had RBS and other banks and other investement banks.
    Ah but that's BSc Econ, he's thinking of a BA which isnt as reputed generally, obviously there will be a rare few who have managed to get into IB but probably a teeny tiny amount out fo the 600 or so BA(Econ) students.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Manchester is good for Economics. If you want to specialise in Economics do their BEconSci programme, Manchester has a lot of other courses which are basically interdisciplinary for people who aren't hardcore economists but want to get a more quantitative social science education. I reckon if you have an interest in politics/social policy/sociology you would get more out of doing Manchester's BA Econ programme than you would doing a straight politics/social policy/sociology course somewhere, because the economic knowledge will underpin what you learn in the others.

    Manchester offers more of these interdisciplinary options than other places because it is pretty good across the board in these social sciences especially at research level. In the last RAE (which is IMO the most important table) Manchester was joint top for sociology, just below the top ones for economics and politics in which it came out with the same scores as Cambridge for both. That's not saying a Manchester degree is going to open quite as many doors as a Cambridge degree, its saying when the RAE assessors checked the quality of research done there, they were on a par.

    The've also got a lot of strong research centres which overlap - Institute of Social Change, Brooks World Poverty Institute, IPEG, Manchester Centre for Political Theory, so they are good for postgrad and research students in the social sciences who have interdisciplinary interests.

    Overall I'd say Manchester was a good place to be going if you are an economist with an interest in politics and social issues. Most of the people who come on here bashing Manchester are the ones focused on private sector banking and City jobs, maybe it isn't in the "in" crowd for the investment banks then, but it is rated very highly on the RAE.
    The OP is primarily interested in IB, that is why we are giving him advice regarding IB. Mathematical ability is a determining factor in IB, so the more mathematical the course, the better.

    And for arguments sake, lets say that Manchester is as good as Cambridge for research this would not in one bit change the fact that Cambridge is miles ahead when you compare the undergrad course. First of all, the Cambridge course is a lot more mathematical, therefore the degree is a lot harder. Second of all, you get supervisions at Cambridge, around 3 a week, which require HUGE amounts of prep work and essay writing and problem sets etc. all of which develop your skills. Finally you get an unparalleled feature, direct contact with your professors very frequently, discussing economics.

    Manchester is good, but to base undergraduate studies solely on the RAE is quite simply folly, it does not have a direct impact upon your studies, it has an influence, but not as large as you like to think.
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    (Original post by iamru)
    The OP is primarily interested in IB, that is why we are giving him advice regarding IB. Mathematical ability is a determining factor in IB, so the more mathematical the course, the better.

    And for arguments sake, lets say that Manchester is as good as Cambridge for research this would not in one bit change the fact that Cambridge is miles ahead when you compare the undergrad course. First of all, the Cambridge course is a lot more mathematical, therefore the degree is a lot harder. Second of all, you get supervisions at Cambridge, around 3 a week, which require HUGE amounts of prep work and essay writing and problem sets etc. all of which develop your skills. Finally you get an unparalleled feature, direct contact with your professors very frequently, discussing economics.

    Manchester is good, but to base undergraduate studies solely on the RAE is quite simply folly, it does not have a direct impact upon your studies, it has an influence, but not as large as you like to think.
    Very true about RAE affecting undergrads, however i wouldn't say a more mathematical degree makes your degree harder to be honest.
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    I'm sure you could always transfer to the BEconSci course they offer, which would be better for IB.
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    (Original post by iamru)
    Manchester is good, but to base undergraduate studies solely on the RAE is quite simply folly, it does not have a direct impact upon your studies, it has an influence, but not as large as you like to think.
    I know - the RAE doesn't take anything to do with undergraduate studies into account. However, I do think when people ask the question about which department is good for such and such a course, the RAE is a better guide than the various other league tables which include all sorts of variables and each newspapers table weights different variables in a different way.

    The RAE is the one which influences the amount of research income a department receives, and the universities themselves are far more concerned about this as the league table in which they need to score highly.

    Whilst TSR is a good place for prospective university students to do their research by asking questions of their peers, I think there are two 'health warnings' which people need to bear in mind on here:

    1 - a lot of people talking about the Economics or related degrees are the people interested in IB where really the answer is there's a group of 6 institutions from which the banks primarily recruit and there's a sticky on the relevant forum with all the answers on that one. As a result you get some of the prospective IBers (a lot of them being cocky A level students whose bubble will be quickly burst when they actually start applying to the banks) going around the forums telling people that good departments at other universities are crap. This is going to give a misleading impression to the majority of students who are looking at using their degree for other purposes

    2 - some of the newspaper rankings with various variables weighted in different ways, underrate Manchester, where Manchester are very consistent in the RAE and due to their increasing size they are becoming more and more of a powerhouse on the research scene, which bodes well for their future. I didn't go to Manchester so I'm not talking from a position of bias here by the way! Now some of the student surveys etc came out critical of certain things about Manchester at undergraduate level which means maybe they need to sharpen up some of their undergraduate teaching or support etc, I'm not sure. However in this current tough financial climate for institutions many are going to start to struggle and their standards slip, whilst Manchester after the merger is well placed to keep moving forwards, so its not a bad name to have on your CV.

    I don't disagree with what you are saying regarding Cambridge undergraduate degrees and Manchester undergraduate degrees, and you do acknowledge that Manchester is good, so it's not your post I'm disagreeing with but I have seen people on TSR saying Manchester's mediocre which it obviously isn't, they produce some quality research in many departments.
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    i have an offer from manchester for economics and politics BA! i liked the look ofthe course until i went!

    the first year you have to do 1 economics module 1 politics and 1 sociology WTF! lol

    i have to say id rather not get a degree with"economics and social studies" on it! it just sounds like a doss!

    i also went to the open day on wednesday i have to say i wasnt that impressed! its really annoying cuz its my only offer
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    (Original post by trollman)
    i have an offer from manchester for economics and politics BA! i liked the look ofthe course until i went!

    the first year you have to do 1 economics module 1 politics and 1 sociology WTF! lol

    i have to say id rather not get a degree with"economics and social studies" on it! it just sounds like a doss!

    i also went to the open day on wednesday i have to say i wasnt that impressed! its really annoying cuz its my only offer
    York should give you an offer and if they dont id gap year it for sure and maybe apply for a better selection of unis next time around.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    I don't disagree with what you are saying regarding Cambridge undergraduate degrees and Manchester undergraduate degrees, and you do acknowledge that Manchester is good, so it's not your post I'm disagreeing with but I have seen people on TSR saying Manchester's mediocre which it obviously isn't, they produce some quality research in many departments.
    I absolutely agree, its performance in the RAE was quite incredible...dont worry, once it starts getting higher rankings in the league tables, which i am sure it will, the cocky a-level students will be flocking to the place lol...because lets be honest, that is all they base prestige upon:rolleyes:
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    (Original post by trollman)
    i have an offer from manchester for economics and politics BA! i liked the look ofthe course until i went!

    the first year you have to do 1 economics module 1 politics and 1 sociology WTF! lol
    Do you hate sociology that much?

    (Original post by trollman)
    i have to say id rather not get a degree with"economics and social studies" on it! it just sounds like a doss!
    Well it sounds a lot lot better than:
    i)a degree from Leeds Mets
    ii)a non-straight econ degree at Leeds Met

    (Original post by trollman)
    i also went to the open day on wednesday i have to say i wasnt that impressed! its really annoying cuz its my only offer
    Where else did you apply to?
    And what subject did you apply for at each uni?
    And what are your academics?
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    (Original post by Paulwhy)
    Do you hate sociology that much?


    Well it sounds a lot lot better than:
    i)a degree from Leeds Mets
    ii)a non-straight econ degree at Leeds Met


    Where else did you apply to?
    And what subject did you apply for at each uni?
    And what are your academics?
    well yes i do lol

    i wasnt the one at leeds met! im in year 13 ppe applicant!

    its all in my sig, My AS subjects were Physics, Biology, History, English lit and critical thinking (AAACB)

    A levels are History Physics Biology (AA*A*) ++ open uni course in maths

    ive done work experience, head boy and all that shizz not that it counts for much :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by trollman)
    well yes i do lol

    i wasnt the one at leeds met! im in year 13 ppe applicant!
    I know. I assumed that was what the reference to economics and social studies was.
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    (Original post by Paulwhy)
    I know. I assumed that was what the reference to economics and social studies was.
    nah it was a reference to myself as i have an offer from them! only one so far.. :/
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    (Original post by trollman)
    well yes i do lol

    i wasnt the one at leeds met! im in year 13 ppe applicant!

    its all in my sig, My AS subjects were Physics, Biology, History, English lit and critical thinking (AAACB)

    A levels are History Physics Biology (AA*A*) ++ open uni course in maths

    ive done work experience, head boy and all that shizz not that it counts for much :rolleyes:
    what is the open uni course in maths like?
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    (Original post by iamru)
    what is the open uni course in maths like?
    too easy for my liking, it was good because it introduced calculus and exponentials graphs and stuff, but i managed to do the whole course (100 hours) in one day and passed, i might try to do a more advanced one or just do AS maths in my gap year!
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    (Original post by trollman)
    nah it was a reference to myself as i have an offer from them! only one so far.. :/
    Is your offer for "Economics and Politics" or "Economics and Social Studies"? :confused:
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    (Original post by Paulwhy)
    Is your offer for "Economics and Politics" or "Economics and Social Studies"? :confused:

    this is where manchester send mixed messages!

    i have an offer for LL12 Economics and Politics

    however all the degrees are run from the same department and have a common first year,

    the way they put it at the opne day is that all of you will get a degree in...

    "Economics and Social Studies (specializing in xxxxyyyy)"

    or "BA(Econ)" so from what i can gather on the certificate it will say economics and social studies, and the only way to properly distinguish is by showing employers your transcript which my the third year can be 100% economics or politics or sociology or finance or criminology etc!

    they said if you are a dedicated economist and that is all you want to study then the BSC Econ is the better course, this one is for people with more diverse interests although you can still specialize
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    (Original post by trollman)
    too easy for my liking, it was good because it introduced calculus and exponentials graphs and stuff, but i managed to do the whole course (100 hours) in one day and passed, i might try to do a more advanced one or just do AS maths in my gap year!
    Are you definite about the Gap year?
    e.g. what about if York make you an offer?

    What else would you do in a Gap year?
    Have you thought about doing the full A2 maths?

    (Original post by trollman)
    gcse: 8A* 3A 1B
    My AS subjects were Physics, Biology, History, English lit and critical thinking (AAACB)

    A levels are History Physics Biology (AA*A*) ++ open uni course in maths

    TSA 2009:
    problem solving 64
    critical thinking 65.6
    64.8 average

    UCAS
    Oxford ppe rejected (post interview)
    LSE Government and economics pending
    Warwick ppe rejected - Ps didn't demonstrate breadth of reading
    York ppe pending
    Manchester Economics and politics offer ABB
    But yes the lack of Maths is the most obvious weakness.

    (Original post by trollman)
    this is where manchester send mixed messages!

    i have an offer for LL12 Economics and Politics

    however all the degrees are run from the same department and have a common first year,

    the way they put it at the opne day is that all of you will get a degree in...

    "Economics and Social Studies (specializing in xxxxyyyy)"

    or "BA(Econ)" so from what i can gather on the certificate it will say economics and social studies, and the only way to properly distinguish is by showing employers your transcript which my the third year can be 100% economics or politics or sociology or finance or criminology etc!

    they said if you are a dedicated economist and that is all you want to study then the BSC Econ is the better course, this one is for people with more diverse interests although you can still specialize
    I Really don't see the question of what is written on the graduation certificate as an issue. If they have advertised the course as "Economics and Politics" then you can certainly describe the course as that when you apply for jobs.
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    (Original post by Paulwhy)
    Are you definite about the Gap year?
    e.g. what about if York make you an offer?

    What else would you do in a Gap year?
    Have you thought about doing the full A2 maths?


    But yes the lack of Maths is the most obvious weakness.


    I Really don't see the question of what is written on the graduation certificate as an issue. If they have advertised the course as "Economics and Politics" then you can certainly describe the course as that when you apply for jobs.
    well id rather not take a gap year! if i got into LSE (very very long shot) or York i would go! but if not i will knuckle down try to get good grades in my exams and take a year out!

    yeh the maths is a really big weakness even for ppe, it has made my application far from simple, my choices have been tailored around unis and their requirements for maths! although warwick did state i was rejected due to my PS but maths most likely played a part!

    That was a mistake if i took a gap year i would complete full A level maths and i think id be likely to get an A or a B (most likely an A) as i do enjoy maths and would work very hard at it! i would also consider self teaching economics to AS level to boost my application. and in my spare time i spose i would work to save some money or perhaps get some work experience!

    well this is what i would do, the technicalities wouldn't hold me back, i would just say BA in economics or whatever depending on specialization.
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    (Original post by trollman)
    well id rather not take a gap year! if i got into LSE (very very long shot) or York i would go! but if not i will knuckle down try to get good grades in my exams and take a year out!

    yeh the maths is a really big weakness even for ppe, it has made my application far from simple, my choices have been tailored around unis and their requirements for maths! although warwick did state i was rejected due to my PS but maths most likely played a part!
    What course and at what uni would you ideally like to do?

    (Original post by trollman)
    That was a mistake if i took a gap year i would complete full A level maths and i think id be likely to get an A or a B (most likely an A) as i do enjoy maths and would work very hard at it! i would also consider self teaching economics to AS level to boost my application. and in my spare time i spose i would work to save some money or perhaps get some work experience!

    well this is what i would do, the technicalities wouldn't hold me back, i would just say BA in economics or whatever depending on specialization.
    Before I missed that you were missing Economics A-level as well. So that is another big issue.
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    (Original post by Paulwhy)
    What course and at what uni would you ideally like to do?


    Before I missed that you were missing Economics A-level as well. So that is another big issue.
    well ppe at oxford :rolleyes: but thats not going to happen, im not sure ill have to have a think about it, i was even considering doing physics!

    yes my application is fairly weak a level choice wise, but my school didnt offer economics!

    im just going to hold on for york and hope for the best - i do actually really like york i think i would be very happy there
 
 
 
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