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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    Just as Israel has the right to ban non-Jews from entering. I disagree with this, but you've just backed the argument of the ultra-Orthodox Jews.
    As long as Israel agrees to a two state solution, Israel can ban all non-Jews from its territory. Also, how much of the population would agree with this? Because in Saudi Arabia and all the Muslims around the world, I reckon 1.5billion people would object to the idea of allowing non-Muslims into Mecca, how many Jews would be opposed to restricting the state of Israel to Jews? The last time I heard the ultra-orthodox community was small, correct me if I am wrong. Anyway, Israel is a capitalist state and I am sure they would be angry if they could not capitalise money from tourism, wouldn’t they?
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    (Original post by DJkG.1)
    And yet, the Israelis (and their supportive Jews worldwide) spare no expense releasing "information" and employing internet talk-backers to ensure that we find out the "truth" from only the perspective they would like us to know. :rolleyes:
    I actually mentioned that Israel owns the same trickbook. And of course they do. It's only rational. Why would they want to look bad?
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    (Original post by DJkG.1)
    That's utterly ridiculous. I already had this argument with somebody.

    The onus is surely on the positive to establish that somebody is a Hamas fighter before bombing his residence!

    It is impossible to prove a negative. Can I prove you're not a Hamas fighter right now? No, and I never will be able to. That does not justify my use of force against you and it never will.

    Innocent until proven guilty wraps this all up, or society will break down and Israel will be ceaselessly bombing Gaza... oh no - wait, that has already happened.
    Not my argument.

    My point was that if you want to disprove something without evidence it is just as easy to proven somethign without evidence - whether it be casualty numbers, the existence of little green men, etc.
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    (Original post by ch0c0h01ic)
    One day both sides will be brought accountable for their actions and it won't be by a rogue, biased and extremist state like Iran.
    by who?
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Oh I see what you're doing here, you're comparing Israel with the authoritarian, racist, oppressive, apartheid practising monarchy of Saudi Arabia which kills people who disagree with what the state says- well no problem . So the question we've been asking ourselves is what makes the pure, virgin clean, human-rights abiding, non-phoshphorous using Israel an apartheid state, well I've developed an answer to this simple question:

    Unequal funding for Arab education

    There are separate and inferior school systems for Arabs inside Israel. In 2001, Human Rights Watch reported that one in four of Israel's 1.6 million schoolchildren is educated in a completely separate public school system. The report stated that "Palestinian Arab children attend schools with larger classes and fewer teachers than do those in the Jewish school system, with some children having to travel long distances to reach the nearest school. Arab schools also contrast dramatically with the larger system in their frequent lack of basic learning facilities like libraries, computers, science laboratories, and even recreation space… The educational system has given a low priority to teacher training for the Arab school system… Palestinian Arab teachers on average have lower qualifications and receive lower salaries than non-Palestinian Arab teachers."
    http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/isra...AEL0901-01.htm
    http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/isra...AEL0901-10.htm
    http://abs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/49/8/1075
    http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/isra...AEL0901-06.htm
    http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/isra...m#P1339_191271

    Arab history, Israel's borders removed from public school textbooks

    Teachers are not allowed to teach students in public schools about the Arab history in the region. Israeli textbooks do not show the "Green Line" or the internationally recognized border between Israel and the occupied territories. They refer to the West Bank as "Judea and Samaria." "Teachers for the Arab schools are approved by the state security service, the Shin Bet, and the curriculum is designed to remove references to Palestinian history and culture…. The Shin Bet prohibits even great Arab and Palestinian literature from inclusion in the curriculum"
    http://www.peykarandeesh.org/noFarsi/Condition.html,
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/796896.html,
    http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-...playstory.html

    Unequal funding for Arab towns

    Arab towns and villages in Israel do not receive the same funding as Jewish towns, even though taxation rates are equal for Arabs and Jews. Israel has a system of progressive taxation, with wealthier individuals paying more than those with low incomes. Under such a system, poorer communities are supposed to be helped by the higher taxes paid in wealthier ones, but this is not the case when it comes to Arab neighborhoods in Israel According to a report by the US State Department, Government spending was proportionally lower in predominantly Arab areas than in Jewish areas, which adversely affected children in Arab villages and cities."
    http://www.jewishcurrents.org/2003-jan-muraskin.htm
    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27929.htm
    According to Israeli journalist Ori Nir, "Between 1975 and 2000, only 0.3 percent of public construction initiated and subsidized by the Israeli government was for Arabs." In the years 2000 -- 2004,Arab citizens received less than 5% of the overall Regular Budget of Israel. In 2005, less than 3% of the Development Budget was allocated to the Arab communities.
    http://www.fmep.org/analysis/article..._minority.html,
    http://www.jfjfp.org/factsheets/arabsinisrael.htm
    http://www.mossawacenter.org/files/f...ews%202005.pdf

    Right of return for Jews only

    Palestinians are denied the right to return to homes and lands that have been taken from them in Israel, while a person with one Jewish grandparent anywhere in the world can settle on land that has been taken from Arabs inside Israel or on Palestinian land in the occupied territories in violation of international law. (The Geneva Conventions prohibit a country from moving its own population into territory it occupies: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." -- Article 49)
    http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm,
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/...es/1099279.stm
    http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html,
    http://www.nakbainhebrew.org/index.php?lang=english,
    http://www.jewishcurrents.org/2003-jan-muraskin.htm

    Denial of family unification for Arabs

    In 2003, the Israeli Knesset enacted legislation that denies any possibility of formal residency status for Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza who are married to Israeli citizens or residents. According to UCLA professor Saree Makdisi, "Israel's newly revised nationality law … prohibits Palestinian citizens of Israel from marrying Palestinians from the occupied territories and living with their spouses in Israel. The same law does not apply to Jewish Israelis who marry Jewish settlers living in the occupied territories. Interestingly, similar legislation had been proposed in South Africa at the peak of Apartheid, only to be rejected by that country's supreme court. Israel's nationality law, however, was endorsed by Israel's High Court just this year." (2006) The law is unconstitutional as it discriminates on the basis of national origin.
    http://www.acri.org.il/english-acri/...ory.asp?id=255.
    http://www.monabaker.com/pMachine/mo...=A2104_0_1_0_M,
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/racism.html

    Unrecognized Arab Villages Denied Basic Services or Destroyed

    Many Palestinian villages, some predating the establishment of Israel, are unrecognized by the government, and thus receive no running water, electricity, or access roads. Some do not appear on maps. A number have been destroyed in recent years.
    http://www.shalomctr.org/node/382
    Approximately 450 Palestinian villages were destroyed after Israel declared its independence in 1948
    .http://www.palestineremembered.com/.
    215,000 Palestinians in 220 villages have no connection to a sewer system.
    http://www.peykarandeesh.org/noFarsi/Condition.html

    Limits on Arab growth

    Since 1948, scores of new communities have been founded for Jews, but very few for Palestinians, causing Israeli Arabs severe residential overcrowding. According to Israeli Ori Nir, Washington bureau chief for The Forward, "No Arab community has been created since 1948, except for towns created for Bedouins in the Negev, whereas something like 1000 towns have been created for Israeli Jews."

    http://www.fmep.org/analysis/article..._minority.html
    http://www.peykarandeesh.org/noFarsi/Condition.html
    In 2002, the Nature Reserve and National Park Authority presented to the Northern District Planning and Building Committee for a nature preserve and national park which would surround 5 Arab villages in northern Israel and border others. It included the provision that privately owned Arab land could be confiscated for this purpose. Restrictions would be placed on Arab farmers. The goal of this is to prevent further growth in these Arab communities.
    http://www.adalah.org/eng/intladvocacy/CESCR-land.pdf

    Confiscation of Arab Land for Jewish Use

    Land can be and is confiscated from Arab villages and made available for Jewish use. Susahan, a Jewish Israeli living in an Arab village inside Israel bears witness to this phenomenon in her book The Other Side of Israel.
    http://www.peykarandeesh.org/noFarsi/Condition.htm l

    Plans to "Judaize" the Arab areas of the Galilee

    The area of the Galilee in northern Israel is where many Israeli Arabs live. Some are descended from the earliest Christians, while others are Muslim. In September, 2001, the Israeli Government's Northern District Committee for Planning and Building issued a plan to "Judaize" the Galilee region, citing the presence of Arabs in that region as a problem. The plan restricts the development of industrial, commercial and development areas in Arab villages, and places industrial, commercial and tourism facilities in or near Jewish areas.
    http://www.adalah.org/eng/intladvocacy/CESCR-land.pdf

    Limits on Land leased to Arabs

    All land in Israel must be leased. It is not privately owned. Until recently, Israeli Arabs were not permitted to lease land from the Israeli Land Administration, which controls 93% of the arable land in Israel. This land is either state-owned (80%) or owned by the Jewish National Fund (13%). Much of it was expropriated from Arabs. In an effort to head off a legal challenge, the Attorney General announced that ILA should not discriminate; however, a deal was reached under which equally valued government land would be transferred to the Jewish National Fund for each lease of its land to Arabs. This would effectively keep at least the same amount of Israeli land in the hands of the Jewish National Fund.
    http://semitism.net/2005/02/09/OLD97

    Restricted access to good jobs for Arabs

    Service in the Israeli army is a prerequisite for the best private and public sector jobs in Israel. Most non-Jews other than Druze are not allowed to serve in the army so these jobs are not often available to Israeli Arabs. Arabs are thus denied the benefits that come from these jobs and from army service. However, religious Jews who do not serve in the army face no such discrimination and receive all benefits and opportunities accrued to those in army service.

    http://www.caabu.org/pdf/Israeli-Arabs-final.pdf,
    http://www.jfjfp.org/factsheets/arabsinisrael.htm
    According to a report by the US State Department, in 2004, only 3 percent of civil service employees in Israel were from the Arab sector.
    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61690.htm

    Discrimination in public places

    Arab citizens of Israel are often discriminated against through denial of access to recreation spaces, swimming pools, water parks and other public places frequented by its Jewish citizens.
    http://www.law.nyu.edu/journals/jilp...ohen-Eliya.pdf
    Arab citizens of Israel have less "green space" available, even in mixed race towns inside Israel.
    http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...0.1111/j.1467- 9663.2005.00474.x?cookieSet=1&jo urnalCode=tesg

    Discrimination at airports and train stations

    Arabs are frequently taken aside at Israel's airports and train stations and searched, often invasively. They are more likely to be detained or accompanied to the plane by security personnel. Most Jews normally travel without any difficulty, while Arab citizens of Israel often face aggressive questioning simply because of their ethnicity. There are exceptions. Israeli or international peace activists may also face delays or invasive searches, but Arabs face these regardless of political affiliation or activity.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/796747.html
    http://www.adalah.org/newsletter/eng...hra-report.pdf.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/827861.html
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects...?itemNo=851098
    http://www.peykarandeesh.org/noFarsi/Condition.html

    Failure to Protect Arab Citizens During Wartime

    Almost all Arab towns and villages in the northern part of Israel lack public bomb shelters, even though they have been constructed with varying degrees of adequacy in most Jewish communities. Similarly, the civil defense authorities failed to ensure that Arab communities had air raid sirens to warn inhabitants of incoming fire, though these are present in Jewish towns. As a result many people in Arab villages died in their streets during the Lebanon war while most Jews waited out the war in shelters, though some of these lacked air conditioning or other amenities.
    http://www.democracynow.org/article..../08/14/1358258,
    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5703.shtml
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...2FJPArticle%2F
    During the war, civil defense officials issued emergency instructions to families about how to protect themselves -- on the radio and television, and in brochures -- only in Hebrew, though Arabic is one of Israel's two official languages.
    http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5703.shtml

    Failure to Compensate Jewish and Arab Citizens Equally for War Damages

    After the Lebanon war, Arab villages were denied compensation for damages, though many Jewish neighborhoods received funds. Interest-free loans of up to $10,000 were available, but only to Jewish businessmen or those who had served in the Israeli army, which excludes almost the entire Arab population.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/763244.html

    Destruction of Unrecognized Arab villages

    "The Bedouin citizens residing in the unrecognized villages of the Negev have for many years suffered from severe discrimination and marginalization; during this past year, they were the victims of particularly harsh enforcement policies -- aided by the amendment to the law that was enacted this year (the Public Land Law {Expulsion of Trespassers}) -- including the demolition of houses and the destruction of crops. While the Bedouin are subject to great pressure to leave their place of residence without a viable alternative or adequate compensation, these same state authorities who are applying the pressure are allocating large plots of land to Jews only, and empowering the local Jewish municipal authorities with the authority to "guard the land" from its original occupants." Association for Civil Rights in Israel 2006 Annual Report on Human Rights
    http://www.acri.org.il/english-acri/...ory.asp?id=244

    Poisoning, uprooting of Bedouin Israeli citizens' crops

    The government of Israel has sent planes to spread poison on Bedouin crops, poisoning livestock and causing health problems among the population. By some accounts, this practice was halted in 2006. More often now these crops are destroyed by Israeli authorities turning them under.
    http://www.oxfam.org.uk/what_we_do/w...el/bedouin.htm
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...&itemNo=275276
    http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde150332004
    http://www.adalah.org/eng/intladvocacy/CESCR-land.pdf
    http://www.icahd.org/eng/articles.as...=2&article=336
    Israeli Anthem Discriminates

    The 20% of Israelis who are Muslim or Christian must extol the Jewish spirit when singing Israel's national anthem. The song begins with the words "In the Jewish heart A Jewish spirit still sings," (Some translations say "As long as deep in the heart, The soul of a Jew yearns" ) It speaks of 2,000 years of the Jewish people yearning to be free in this land. No mention is made of other religions.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/850285.html
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...y/hatikva.html
    http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Anthem.asp

    Israeli Flag Discriminates

    The flag of Israel displays the religious symbol of Judaism, though one fifth of its citizens are Christian or Muslim. Their religious symbols are not displayed on the flag or on public buildings. The Star of David on Israel's flag symbolically tells Palestinian citizens whose ancestors have lived here for hundreds of years : "You do not belong."
    http://imeu.net/news/article004053.shtml

    No Constitutional Protection for Minorities

    Israel has no constitution to protect the rights of the 24.5% of its citizens who are non-Jewish. It openly declares itself "a state of the Jewish people'" though a quarter of all Israelis are non-Jewish. Many of their families lived here for generations before Israel was established. Many believe there is an inherent contradiction between Israel's claims to be a democratic state and its actions to keep it a Jewish state without defining equal rights for all citizens.
    http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/981336.html
    http://www.mossawacenter.org/default...p=2&fl=25&pg=9
    http://www.wcl.american.edu/hrbrief/...tml/arabmi.htm

    Unequal application of the law to Jews and non-Jews

    "A dual system of law discriminates between Jewish Israelis and indigenous Palestinians based on a constructed status of "Jewish nationality." This prejudicial application of law is apparent in all processes of the legal system, from the rights to information and fair trial to detention and prison treatment."
    http://www.ohchr.org/english/bodies/...-PartIII-1.pdf
    (Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights)

    Government leaders talk openly of expelling Arabs from Israel.

    Christians have lived in the land that became Israel for 2000 years, Muslims for more than 1300 years. Now these citizens are referred to as a demographic threat, or "the Arab Problem." The most offensive of these is Avigdor Lieberman, recently appointed to a key cabinet post by Ehud Olmert. When the first Arab minister was appointed to the government recently, Lieberman called on Defense Minister Amir Peretz to resign. Another official said "This is assimilation…I call on the prime minister not to approve this appointment to protect the state of Israel's interest as a Jewish and Zionist state." Lieberman said that Israel's Arab minority was a "problem" which required "separation," declaring that Israel must redraw its map to "exchange" part of the Arab population, in order to create a more "homogeneous Jewish state." Almost a third of Israel's Jewish citizens favor transferring Arabs out of Israel, and 60% think they should be encouraged to leave.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/812447.html
    http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle10522.htm

    Will love to see the "proud Zionists" reply to all this. EDIT: Apologies, forget to mention:

    Unequal Water Allocation

    Palestinians in the West Bank have access to only one fifth the amount of water consumed by Israelis, despite the fact that most of the aquifer used by both groups lies beneath Palestinian land. Israel has taken 83% of the water underlying the West Bank for its own residents and those of the settlements, leaving the Palestinians with desperate shortages. Palestinians have no access to water from the Jordan Basin, all of which is taken by Israelis. Most Palestinians are not allowed to drill new wells, and thus must buy water from Israel to compensate partially for this inequity.

    As of June 2006, some 215,000 Palestinians in 220 villages lived in communities without a running-water network. In Palestinian towns that do have running water, a rotating system is often in place which restricts flow at various times to divide available water among the villages. Due to the increased demand for water during the hot season, Merkorot [Israel's water company] discriminates and increases the amount of water supplied to the settlers, at the expense of supply to Palestinian towns. Reduction at times when water consumption increases is accomplished by closing the valve of the main water pipelines through which water flows to Palestinian towns.

    http://www.wws.princeton.edu/~wws401c/)

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn5037.html,

    http://www.btselem.org/English/Press...s/20010805.asp,

    http://www.btselem.org/English/Water/Index.asp

    http://www.btselem.org/english/Water...mption_Gap.asp

    http://www.btselem.org/Download/2000...lution_Eng.doc

    http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mh...26&s=taamallah

    Israeli soldiers sometimes fire at Palestinian water tanks, rendering them unusable. A Presbyterian minister describing his visit to a Palestinian village wrote: "Water is precious, and there is little of it. Due to the lack of a supply, and lack of access to their wells, the village has a very restricted supply. The Council has divided the village into 3 sections, and each section gets water in its pipes for 2 hours, three times a week. It is then that people are able to fill up the tanks which are on the tops of their houses, and this is their supply for the next three days. Recently, we were told, on 3 successive days Israeli soldiers came in to the village and fired indiscriminately at water tanks. We were shown pictures of many which had been punctured by bullets. Most of the bullet holes were in the upper parts of the tanks, as the soldiers could not see the lower parts. No justification by an occupying army has to be given for such actions -- but one wonders what they achieve. The one tank that they found at ground level, they shot in the bottom, making sure that any water in it would be lost. Next opportunity to fill up might be 3 days away." Similar army vandalism to water tanks occurred at the Al Sharooq School for blind children near Bethlehem. Christians from a church in Jerusalem had to take water to the school until the holes in the tanks could be repaired.
    Go on then zionists, have a crack at this one. ^

    I'm sure it's just another anti-semitic hate-speech right? :rolleyes:

    What I'm surprised you all fail to understand (especially after comments of "I really don't understand why people hate Israel") is how general opinion does not form itself in a vacuum.

    (Original post by Straightpath)
    [Someone negged the hell out of me for starting this thread]
    Thou shalt not underestimate the negging-power of the TSR zionist lobby! :p:
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    This whole situation confuses the **** outta me. The Irish side of me sympathises with the Palestinians, the English side of me thinks "dammit, if we stick enough of us there we can claim it as our own!".
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    (Original post by DJkG.1)
    Thou shalt not underestimate the negging-power of the TSR zionist lobby! :p:
    loooool! This made me laugh :p:
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    (Original post by Straightpath)
    Seriously I'm confused. I've just been negged for starting this thread, is that even allowed
    You took one for the team, good job.
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
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    I've replied to the worst ones.

    Arab history, Israel's borders removed from public school textbooks

    You're criticising the textbooks of Israel? :rofl:

    In the two academic years 2000-2001 and 2001-2002, the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) introduced 58 new textbooks and two teachers' guides for grades 1,2,6,7 and 11. CMIP has conducted a comprehensive survey of these textbooks in order to determine how they relate to peace, tolerance, recognition and reconciliation according to criteria set by the international community.

    CMIP has found that the new PNA textbooks do not fulfill these criteria in educating to peace and reconciliation with Israel, but rather foster a multi-faceted rejection of its existence. The educational approach employed by the PNA does not reflect international standards as defined by UNESCO (see their criteria in the Introduction). The textbooks do not teach acceptance of Israel's existence on the national level, and instead of working to erase hateful stereotypes, the new PNA curriculum is instilling them into the next generation's consciousness.

    The concept of peace with Israel is not to be found anywhere in the Palestinian schoolbooks. The peace process between Israel and the Palestinians, based on the Oslo Accords, is not mentioned. They fail to teach the youth to see Israel as a neighbor with whom peaceful relations should be desired.

    Tolerance, both in a historical and a contemporary context, is addressed at length in the Palestinian textbooks. It is described as being based on Islam's traditional approach of "accepting the members of the monotheistic religions" and "respecting the People of the Book in their religion, property and ceremonies". However, in their examples, the textbooks refer only to tolerance between Moslems and Christians. The Jews are not mentioned.

    The Jewish connection to the Holy Land is confined to antiquity. From the Roman period onwards this Jewish link is ignored. The Jews' return to Palestine is described as "infiltration". Zionism is mentioned in a negative context only. The Jews are not "deserving" of Palestine. Hebrew is not considered one of the languages of the land.

    The State of Israel, a member state of the UN since 1949, is not recognized. It is referred to by substitute names such as the lands within the "green line", "interior" or "1948 lands". Its name does not appear on any map, nor do any towns, villages and projects (industries, harbors, railways, etc.) created and developed by Israel. Israel is presented as the usurper and occupier since its establishment in 1948.

    By contrast, the State of Palestine (Dawlat Filastin) is often referred to and its name appears with the official emblem of the Palestinian National Authority, on the cover and the front page of many textbooks. Palestine stretches from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea and is exclusively Arab. The 5.5 million Jewish inhabitants are not counted.

    The maps that appear in the textbooks continue to disregard the existence of the State of Israel. In most cases no names are given at all. In other cases Israel's place on the map is marked "Palestine". There are several maps that delineate the contours of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip but do not name them. Areas located in the territory of Israel within its 1949 borders, such as the Negev, are presented as an integral part of Palestine. The Arab population of Israel is counted among the inhabitants of Palestine.

    Jerusalem is presented as belonging to the Palestinians alone, and as the capital of Palestine. Its central importance and holiness for the Jews are not mentioned, neither is the fact that the Jewish population constitutes the vast majority of its inhabitants.

    The holy places in Palestine are exclusively Muslim and Christian. There is no reference to Jewish holy places as such. Rather, they are presented as Muslim holy places that the Jews have attempted to Judaize, such as the "Tomb of the Patriarchs" in Hebron, "the Western Wall" a.k.a. "the Wailing Wall", in Jerusalem, and "Rachel's Tomb" in Bethlehem.

    There are a series of references to the liberation of Palestine, presented as a struggle against Israeli occupation. At times, the liberation from Israeli occupation points to the territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip occupied by Israel in 1967. Sometimes this expression refers to the territory of the State of Israel, within its 1949 borders. There is an explicit reference to the Israeli occupation of 1948 and another to the need to establish an independent Palestinian state on the entire national soil.

    The struggle for the liberation of Palestine is presented mainly as a military one. There is no direct support of terror in the textbooks, but the Feda'i and the Shahid are praised as the spearheads of this struggle. Palestinians hanged by British Mandate authorities for murders of Jewish civilians are presented as Shahids. Those arrested and jailed in Israeli jails for acts of terrorism against Israeli civilians are depicted as "prisoners of war". Jihad continues to be glorified and martyrdom is praised, with special attention given to the martyrs of Palestine.

    There is no attempt to encourage reconciliation with Israel. Israel is presented exclusively as inhumane and greedy. It has destroyed the Palestinian villages, driven them away, seized their lands and water, inflicted on them pain and loss, taken over their holy places. Israel is responsible for the obliteration of Palestinian Arab national identity, the crippling of Palestinian economy, and for social and ecological ills.

    Israel is accused of being responsible for the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem, with no consideration being given to the consequences of the Arab and Palestinian rejection of the 1947 UN Partition Plan. The solution to this problem presented in PNA textbooks is "the return of every refugee" to his former home, i.e. to the territory of the State of Israel within its 1949 borders.

    Although bilateral treaties and accords have determined the allocation of land and water between Israel and the Palestinians by mutual agreement, (The Israeli-Palestinian Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, 1995, Article XI and Appendix I article 40,and the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty 1994, Annex II.). Israel is accused of robbing the lands and waters from the Palestinians.

    Reference to the Jews is minimal. Although their historical connections to Palestine are mentioned, these references do not provide the pupils with at least a basic knowledge of Jews and Judaism, as one of the three monotheistic religions. Several of these references, however, contain negative generalizations attributing traits of trickery, greed and barbarity to the Jews, and insinuation that they do not keep agreements and treaties as Muslims do. Accusations of racial discrimination that were leveled against Israel in a textbook published in 1995 have since been removed (in 1996 and 2000).

    Inaccuracies in determining and presenting historical facts appear in several instances, particularly in the textbooks of Grade 7. For example, statements such as: "[Israeli] attempts at obliterating the artistic [Palestinian] heritage: Setting fire to the antique pulpit of Saladin in the al-Aqsa Mosque." (National Education, Grade 7, p. 55). "The Arab Jebusites built it [Jerusalem] five thousand years ago in that distinguished place and it has remained since that time a capital of Palestine during the ages." (Geography of Palestine, Grade 7, p. 77) are to be found in the textbooks, as well as the falsification of a stamp issued by the British Mandatory Government.

    The Palestinian textbooks use terminology that is associated with war and violence and is likely to create prejudice,misunderstanding and conflict, such as: "The demographic weapon" will play "a positive role in winning the Arab-Israeli conflict" (The Palestinian Society-Demographic Education, Grade 11 (2000), p. 29), and :"The coming of the Jewish throngs to Palestine continued until 1948 and their goal was taking over the Palestinian lands and then taking the original inhabitants' place after their expulsion or extermination." (National Education, Grade 7, p. 20)

    The tendency towards educating pupils to reject and delegitimize Israel that was prevalent in the PNA textbooks of 2000-2001 has not been addressed in the new textbooks. Instead, it appears to have gained impetus through instilling animosity and the implicit aspiration to replace the State of Israel with the State of Palestine.


    Unequal funding for Arab towns

    Arabs can move to Israeli towns. Simple. Nothing is stopping this! There should really be no Arab only or Jew only towns.

    Right of return for Jews only

    Again, there is no problem with this policy.

    Denial of family unification for Arabs

    Was repealed as it was unconstitutional. Told you the Israeli Supreme Court is the finest in the world.

    Limits on Arab growth

    Israel is not culling the Arab population, y'know. In this instance they are building towns for Jews. Personally I disagree.

    Confiscation of Arab Land for Jewish Use

    Instances few and far between, and usually for good reason.

    Plans to "Judaize" the Arab areas of the Galilee

    Like the plans to Arabise the Jewish areas such as Jericho?

    Limits on Land leased to Arabs

    This is silly, I agree.

    Restricted access to good jobs for Arabs

    Every Israeli is required to serve in the Army. Arabs can bail out if they want. Jews cannot. This is surely discrimination in favour of Arabs?

    Discrimination in public places

    ********.

    Discrimination at airports and train stations

    Because Arabs are more likely to blow planes, trains and automobiles up than Jews. Fact. It may be a sorry fact but it's true and has been proven through time.

    Israeli Anthem Discriminates

    HaTikvah discriminates against religious Jews too - there is no mention of God. It is an atheist anthem. Also, whilst we're at it, does the British God Save the Queen - discriminatory against republicans and atheists. And Muslims. And Jews. And Hindus....

    Israeli Flag Discriminates

    Shall I point you in the direction of Arab flags that have the symbol of Islam on it? Or Western flags with crosses? If they don't like the flag, they don't fly it. Simple.

    No Constitutional Protection for Minorities

    There's no constitutional protection because there is no constitution!

    Government leaders talk openly of expelling Arabs from Israel.

    Just as the PA wants to expel Jews from the face of the earth.

    Unequal Water Allocation

    We gave them 20 million more gallons of water than was agreed in the water treaty.
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    (Original post by Squeegy)
    Certainly. Now what does that have to do with anything?
    My point is, Squeegy, your talking absolute ***** when you say that Hamas plays the propaganda game. showing pictures of dead children is not the same as massive media censorship, $150000 towards simple internet forums etc etc.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/d...es-6/episode-3
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    All I can say is, holy ****, you deserve some sort of award.
    Thank you sir :hat2: you and the absolute legend DJkG.1 should be getting your reward in the next 2 days .
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    (Original post by cardine92)
    This whole situation confuses the **** outta me. The Irish side of me sympathises with the Palestinians, the English side of me thinks "dammit, if we stick enough of us there we can claim it as our own!".
    God... I wish the British would just reclaim the region and administer it again.

    I would seriously go and fight for British control as a new-age Indian sepoy if that happened! :p: The British would do a fair job I'm sure; it's a shame their power was ousted by America under pressure from their Jewish lobby in the '40s or this situation would have probably not occurred. The British tried to stop illegal Jewish immigration into Palestinian lands... tried really hard but ultimately failed.

    (Original post by Straightpath)
    loooool! This made me laugh :p:
    Lol. :p:
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    (Original post by jonjon123)
    As long as Israel agrees to a two state solution, Israel can ban all non-Jews from its territory. Also, how much of the population would agree with this? Because in Saudi Arabia and all the Muslims around the world, I reckon 1.5billion people would object to the idea of allowing non-Muslims into Mecca, how many Jews would be opposed to restricting the state of Israel to Jews? The last time I heard the ultra-orthodox community was small, correct me if I am wrong. Anyway, Israel is a capitalist state and I am sure they would be angry if they could not capitalise money from tourism, wouldn’t they?
    Exactly.
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    Now why do you think they show these pictures of dead children? And yes, innocent people die. That is war.
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    (Original post by Straightpath)
    How does this apply to Gaza though? If the Israeli soldiers weren't in residential areas in the first place, how would they be at risk from civilian suicide bombers, as you put it?
    If Hamas did not fire rockets and store weapons in civilian weapons the Israeli army would not need to enter those areas.
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    (Original post by Thatguy1988)
    If Hamas did not fire rockets and store weapons in civilian weapons the Israeli army would not need to enter those areas.
    Well bloody said!
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    (Original post by Squeegy)
    Now why do you think they show these pictures of dead children? And yes, innocent people die. That is war.

    Justice?

    War is not like this. Not with the technology Israel has. They have laser-turrets that can target hamas rockets, they have laser guided missiles that still hammer into schools and hospitals, they have satellite surveillance and fighter jets than can bomb to within centimetres. Sniping children is not war. It is murder.
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    if you get a dirty enemy you have to fight like them.
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    (Original post by Thatguy1988)
    If Hamas did not fire rockets and store weapons in civilian weapons the Israeli army would not need to enter those areas.
    What about when Israel bombed the UNRWA in Gaza? Did that have Hamas militants' weaponry stored in its cupboards?
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    I've replied to the worst ones.

    Arab history, Israel's borders removed from public school textbooks

    You're criticising the textbooks of Israel? :rofl:

    In the two academic years 2000-2001 and 2001-2002, the Palestinian National Authority (PNA) introduced 58 new textbooks and two teachers' guides for grades 1,2,6,7 and 11. CMIP has conducted a comprehensive survey of these textbooks in order to determine how they relate to peace, tolerance, recognition and reconciliation according to criteria set by the international community.

    CMIP has found that the new PNA textbooks do not fulfill these criteria in educating to peace and reconciliation with Israel, but rather foster a multi-faceted rejection of its existence. The educational approach employed by the PNA does not reflect international standards as defined by UNESCO (see their criteria in the Introduction). The textbooks do not teach acceptance of Israel's existence on the national level, and instead of working to erase hateful stereotypes, the new PNA curriculum is instilling them into the next generation's consciousness.

    The concept of peace with Israel is not to be found anywhere in the Palestinian schoolbooks. The peace process between Israel and the Palestinians, based on the Oslo Accords, is not mentioned. They fail to teach the youth to see Israel as a neighbor with whom peaceful relations should be desired.

    Tolerance, both in a historical and a contemporary context, is addressed at length in the Palestinian textbooks. It is described as being based on Islam's traditional approach of "accepting the members of the monotheistic religions" and "respecting the People of the Book in their religion, property and ceremonies". However, in their examples, the textbooks refer only to tolerance between Moslems and Christians. The Jews are not mentioned.

    The Jewish connection to the Holy Land is confined to antiquity. From the Roman period onwards this Jewish link is ignored. The Jews' return to Palestine is described as "infiltration". Zionism is mentioned in a negative context only. The Jews are not "deserving" of Palestine. Hebrew is not considered one of the languages of the land.

    The State of Israel, a member state of the UN since 1949, is not recognized. It is referred to by substitute names such as the lands within the "green line", "interior" or "1948 lands". Its name does not appear on any map, nor do any towns, villages and projects (industries, harbors, railways, etc.) created and developed by Israel. Israel is presented as the usurper and occupier since its establishment in 1948.

    By contrast, the State of Palestine (Dawlat Filastin) is often referred to and its name appears with the official emblem of the Palestinian National Authority, on the cover and the front page of many textbooks. Palestine stretches from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea and is exclusively Arab. The 5.5 million Jewish inhabitants are not counted.

    The maps that appear in the textbooks continue to disregard the existence of the State of Israel. In most cases no names are given at all. In other cases Israel's place on the map is marked "Palestine". There are several maps that delineate the contours of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip but do not name them. Areas located in the territory of Israel within its 1949 borders, such as the Negev, are presented as an integral part of Palestine. The Arab population of Israel is counted among the inhabitants of Palestine.

    Jerusalem is presented as belonging to the Palestinians alone, and as the capital of Palestine. Its central importance and holiness for the Jews are not mentioned, neither is the fact that the Jewish population constitutes the vast majority of its inhabitants.

    The holy places in Palestine are exclusively Muslim and Christian. There is no reference to Jewish holy places as such. Rather, they are presented as Muslim holy places that the Jews have attempted to Judaize, such as the "Tomb of the Patriarchs" in Hebron, "the Western Wall" a.k.a. "the Wailing Wall", in Jerusalem, and "Rachel's Tomb" in Bethlehem.

    There are a series of references to the liberation of Palestine, presented as a struggle against Israeli occupation. At times, the liberation from Israeli occupation points to the territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip occupied by Israel in 1967. Sometimes this expression refers to the territory of the State of Israel, within its 1949 borders. There is an explicit reference to the Israeli occupation of 1948 and another to the need to establish an independent Palestinian state on the entire national soil.

    The struggle for the liberation of Palestine is presented mainly as a military one. There is no direct support of terror in the textbooks, but the Feda'i and the Shahid are praised as the spearheads of this struggle. Palestinians hanged by British Mandate authorities for murders of Jewish civilians are presented as Shahids. Those arrested and jailed in Israeli jails for acts of terrorism against Israeli civilians are depicted as "prisoners of war". Jihad continues to be glorified and martyrdom is praised, with special attention given to the martyrs of Palestine.

    There is no attempt to encourage reconciliation with Israel. Israel is presented exclusively as inhumane and greedy. It has destroyed the Palestinian villages, driven them away, seized their lands and water, inflicted on them pain and loss, taken over their holy places. Israel is responsible for the obliteration of Palestinian Arab national identity, the crippling of Palestinian economy, and for social and ecological ills.

    Israel is accused of being responsible for the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem, with no consideration being given to the consequences of the Arab and Palestinian rejection of the 1947 UN Partition Plan. The solution to this problem presented in PNA textbooks is "the return of every refugee" to his former home, i.e. to the territory of the State of Israel within its 1949 borders.

    Although bilateral treaties and accords have determined the allocation of land and water between Israel and the Palestinians by mutual agreement, (The Israeli-Palestinian Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, 1995, Article XI and Appendix I article 40,and the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty 1994, Annex II.). Israel is accused of robbing the lands and waters from the Palestinians.

    Reference to the Jews is minimal. Although their historical connections to Palestine are mentioned, these references do not provide the pupils with at least a basic knowledge of Jews and Judaism, as one of the three monotheistic religions. Several of these references, however, contain negative generalizations attributing traits of trickery, greed and barbarity to the Jews, and insinuation that they do not keep agreements and treaties as Muslims do. Accusations of racial discrimination that were leveled against Israel in a textbook published in 1995 have since been removed (in 1996 and 2000).

    Inaccuracies in determining and presenting historical facts appear in several instances, particularly in the textbooks of Grade 7. For example, statements such as: "[Israeli] attempts at obliterating the artistic [Palestinian] heritage: Setting fire to the antique pulpit of Saladin in the al-Aqsa Mosque." (National Education, Grade 7, p. 55). "The Arab Jebusites built it [Jerusalem] five thousand years ago in that distinguished place and it has remained since that time a capital of Palestine during the ages." (Geography of Palestine, Grade 7, p. 77) are to be found in the textbooks, as well as the falsification of a stamp issued by the British Mandatory Government.

    The Palestinian textbooks use terminology that is associated with war and violence and is likely to create prejudice,misunderstanding and conflict, such as: "The demographic weapon" will play "a positive role in winning the Arab-Israeli conflict" (The Palestinian Society-Demographic Education, Grade 11 (2000), p. 29), and :"The coming of the Jewish throngs to Palestine continued until 1948 and their goal was taking over the Palestinian lands and then taking the original inhabitants' place after their expulsion or extermination." (National Education, Grade 7, p. 20)

    The tendency towards educating pupils to reject and delegitimize Israel that was prevalent in the PNA textbooks of 2000-2001 has not been addressed in the new textbooks. Instead, it appears to have gained impetus through instilling animosity and the implicit aspiration to replace the State of Israel with the State of Palestine.
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...mpact_of_Peace

    http://www.pcdc.edu.ps/CMIP_answers_response.htm
 
 
 
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