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    My university is down in the high 20s in many league tables, but I still had to achieve AAA to get in. Not to mention it consistently appears in the top 3 for the subject.
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    (Original post by Girl♥RadioHeart)
    I disagree.

    Clearly by your signature you like to show off how academically intelligent you are. Bravo.

    Don't assume, however, that a few letters on a piece of paper will signal a fantastic life and super degree. It takes more than grades and percentages.

    you just attacked him though.... and didnt bother to actually answer his question. Why do you disagree?






    With regards tot he question posed by the OP, I think its still worth it, just not AS worth it if you decide to pick the road most travelled (ie, you are a bog standard and average employee who will at some point earn 60k).

    Having said that, you might not be incredibly smart gradewise and still excell (Branson anyone?) so really, what you do after your degree will probably matter more than what degree you get, hence it still being worth it.
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    (Original post by CapitalismRocks)
    I guess Nottingham are not as prestigious as I thought, meh, I'd consider Nottingham's Economics department on a whole another level to the rest of the University.

    Also, your view of a decent job is very different to mine.
    You're basing the argument on whether university outside a top 20 is worthwhile on the basis of a job at the end of your studies. A job in banking I assume, of which a minute percentage of those at any university choose to go into. I don't even know where to begin correcting your stupidity. You really need to wake up and smell the bacon...
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    I achieved AAAb and I'm going to study at the Open University instead. Is it pointless? Not to me, no. Nothing is pointless if it's what you want to do.
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    (Original post by DarkWhite)
    Do you need this spelling out for you? lol

    BCC < BBB. Still, into a top 20 university.
    Despite only just being in top 20, led to a very rewarding job in first year.
    Why are you repeating yourself? You can't even apply for the Big 4 (example), and they're a joke. You carry on believing that your job is rewarding in comparison to the top jobs out there.
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    (Original post by NoHands)
    Having said that, you might not be incredibly smart gradewise and still excell (Branson anyone?) so really, what you do after your degree will probably matter more than what degree you get, hence it still being worth it.
    There's also many other successful people who didn't actually go to uni or dropped out. Simon Cowell being one of them.
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    It's ********, certain universities outside of the top 20 specialise in subjects that the traditional universities don't and thus those degrees are highly worthwhile. Plus if you're looking at academically rigorous universities you should be looking at the top 40 rather than the top 20, theres a good deal of well established red brick universities ranking between 20 and 40 such as Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and QMUL/RHUL.

    This being said going to the University of Westminster or UEL and doing a History degree there is largely pointless. This is why I think the old polytechnics should be polys again, it suits them better as it allows them to offer vocational unique degrees rather than academic subjects. It also stops them wasting £££ on research, which polys really don't need to be doing.
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    (Original post by CapitalismRocks)
    Why are you repeating yourself? You can't even apply for the Big 4 (example), and they're a joke. You carry on believing that your job is rewarding in comparison to the top jobs out there.
    Because you still haven't really commented on my points. Care to explain the BBB threshold? Or at least define what a 'top job' is? After all, you don't know my pay, nature of work, benefits, working hours, the type of work being done or anything.

    I really think you need a shake up. Not everybody goes to university for money at the end of it.
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    (Original post by _Shanice_)
    There's also many other successful people who didn't actually go to uni or dropped out. Simon Cowell being one of them.

    Yes, as did Steve Jobs.

    But i never said you HAD to go. Going will most probably make life easier though, especially if you want to work somewhere where you have to be accredited such as engineering or accountancy.
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    (Original post by andy12691)
    You sound like a dic*.

    And to be very honest, your a level results are not that great.
    That's because Universities don't want more than 4 A-Levels... I have excellent extracurriculars; better than a few more As in A-level. Probably why you havn't even recieved an offer from LSE yet.

    Also, I could easily achieve a few more As in A-Level but what would be the point?
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    (Original post by NoHands)
    you just attacked him though.... and didnt bother to actually answer his question. Why do you disagree?
    I hardly "attacked" him.

    I expressed my opinion in response to an OP that I thought was incredibly naive, insulting and prejudice.

    I did answer the question if you read all my responses...
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    (Original post by AgentSushi)
    You sound like a grade A pr**k, no doubt you went to private school with attitude like you have.
    And what is wrong with getting excellent grades and going to a private school? Is it a crime to have wealthy parents who can afford to send their children to a private school? I thing you must be JEALOUS.
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    (Original post by CapitalismRocks)
    That's because Universities don't want more than 4 A-Levels... I have excellent extracurriculars; better than a few more As in A-level. Probably why you havn't even recieved an offer from LSE yet.
    Your superiority complex will ultimately be your downfall.
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    (Original post by ajp100688)
    This being said going to the University of Westminster or UEL and doing a History degree there is largely pointless. This is why I think the old polytechnics should be polys again, it suits them better as it allows them to offer vocational unique degrees rather than academic subjects. It also stops them wasting £££ on research, which polys really don't need to be doing.
    The former polys did offer academic subjects (like history) before they achieved university status with some quite decent departments.

    They also conducted research. How is it a waste of money and why don't they need to do it?
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    (Original post by Girl♥RadioHeart)
    I hardly "attacked" him.

    I expressed my opinion in response to an OP that I thought was incredibly naive, insulting and prejudice.

    I did answer the question if you read all my responses...

    surely you could ahve done it in your first post.


    But meh, you did have a nice little "oh your so academic" jibe at him. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by NoHands)
    Yes, as did Steve Jobs.

    But i never said you HAD to go. Going will most probably make life easier though, especially if you want to work somewhere where you have to be accredited such as engineering or accountancy.
    I know that, I just thought I'd add what I said to your point.
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    A degree at most unis (including those outside the top 20) will show future employers that you are capable of completing a structured academic program, and you have the talent to do well. (by getting a good degree class)
    I also know people who have gone to so called "lesser" uni's after getting less than a BBB and then ending up with good honours and moving on to more prestigious unis, whilst the reverse has happened with students who got AAA.

    So to answer the OPs question, no ! I DON'T think going to a uni outside the top 20 is pointless.

    Also on a side note, rankings of universities are far less important then what employers perspectives of them are. I mean according to the Times, unis such as Birmingham, Surrey, Sussex, Queen Marys, Manchester to name a few, are outside the top 20 and they're all very respected institutions by employers.
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    If someone wants to go to university, to study a subject they want to study, but only have grades for university less than a top 20 surely there is still a point?

    You sound like a complete ass. You presented the question, and the way you are arguing against certain answers shows you just made the question in order to insult/make yourself feel better than those who received BBB or are going to a below top 20 uni.
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    Actually, I'm generally with the OP on this one (though the "top 20" is a loose term). I think it's a shame that there are so many universities in the UK with a huge drop out rate. It's become an industry, people have to pay the same wherever they go, spend 3/4 years of their life and come out to a job which shouldn't really require a degree in the first place. It's made people do a degree for the sake of it - which shouldn't be the reason for anyone to go to uni. Every single person from my year at school went on to a uni (and it's an average comprehensive in a dodgy area too) when some of them would have been better off doing something else. Obviously, I realise there'll be exceptions to this...
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    (Original post by DarkWhite)
    I got BCC at A-Level and I'm on well over a 1st in a "Top 20 University"; over 90% on most courseworks, and 100% in plenty. I've also secured a job for a couple of Summers, where friends at "higher ranked universities" have not been successful in getting the same job. It means a bit, sure, but not very much.

    Now, I may well have bad A-Level grades, and I might not be in a Top 10 CompSci University, but you're very narrow-minded if you think that degree institution and classification are the only two important factors in somebody's university and life choices.
    how many hours do you put in? and are the courseworks essay based?
 
 
 
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