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First class vs. First class honours, Starred firsts
Just some questions to anyone who might know:
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
2. For the economics tripos, I'm aware a starred first has not been awarded to my knowledge (ever, or for some time) - but for individual papers, is a mark of over 80 a *1st/starred first? As far as I know, above 80 would be a starred first. I'm just guessing, sort of extrapolating from other subjects - I remember reading that then, getting an *average* of over 80 would then qualify a student to be considered for a *1st but not guarantee this. I can see how this is insanely difficult (since the student would have to be able to be both a superb mathematician, essay writer and fact-taker at the same time, which is incredibly rare) but I'd be surprised if no-one had ever managed it.
3. Are exam results for everyone made available online at some point? No economics results from any time appear to be available, so I was just wondering. are rankings ever published (again, for economics) online or otherwise?
Thanks - the faculty intranet (I'm really referring to economics here) isn't too much help on these matters, I thought someone might have an idea.
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
2. For the economics tripos, I'm aware a starred first has not been awarded to my knowledge (ever, or for some time) - but for individual papers, is a mark of over 80 a *1st/starred first? As far as I know, above 80 would be a starred first. I'm just guessing, sort of extrapolating from other subjects - I remember reading that then, getting an *average* of over 80 would then qualify a student to be considered for a *1st but not guarantee this. I can see how this is insanely difficult (since the student would have to be able to be both a superb mathematician, essay writer and fact-taker at the same time, which is incredibly rare) but I'd be surprised if no-one had ever managed it.
3. Are exam results for everyone made available online at some point? No economics results from any time appear to be available, so I was just wondering. are rankings ever published (again, for economics) online or otherwise?
Thanks - the faculty intranet (I'm really referring to economics here) isn't too much help on these matters, I thought someone might have an idea.
sjoshi64
Just some questions to anyone who might know:
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
Honours is the difference between an ordinary degree (BA) and anything a third class or above (BA Hons). It doesn't really come into play too much until finals.
2. For the economics tripos, I'm aware a starred first has not been awarded to my knowledge (ever, or for some time) - but for individual papers, is a mark of over 80 a *1st/starred first? As far as I know, above 80 would be a starred first. I'm just guessing, sort of extrapolating from other subjects - I remember reading that then, getting an *average* of over 80 would then qualify a student to be considered for a *1st but not guarantee this. I can see how this is insanely difficult (since the student would have to be able to be both a superb mathematician, essay writer and fact-taker at the same time, which is incredibly rare) but I'd be surprised if no-one had ever managed it.
you can't get a starred first on an individual paper, as far as I'm aware, although I could be wrong, because these things seem to vary between triposes. I thought a starred first was for an average over 75 or 80, depending on subject, or a first in every paper.
3. Are exam results for everyone made available online at some point? No economics results from any time appear to be available, so I was just wondering. are rankings ever published (again, for economics) online or otherwise?
No - they're all published in a special issue of the reporter every year; the 2005 one should be out in the next couple of weeks if it isn't already. this issue is only ever available in paper form. i don't know if any departments ever publish their classlists online; i haven't ever seen any do this.
sjoshi64
Just some questions to anyone who might know:
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
2. For the economics tripos, I'm aware a starred first has not been awarded to my knowledge (ever, or for some time) - but for individual papers, is a mark of over 80 a *1st/starred first? As far as I know, above 80 would be a starred first. I'm just guessing, sort of extrapolating from other subjects - I remember reading that then, getting an *average* of over 80 would then qualify a student to be considered for a *1st but not guarantee this. I can see how this is insanely difficult (since the student would have to be able to be both a superb mathematician, essay writer and fact-taker at the same time, which is incredibly rare) but I'd be surprised if no-one had ever managed it.
3. Are exam results for everyone made available online at some point? No economics results from any time appear to be available, so I was just wondering. are rankings ever published (again, for economics) online or otherwise?
Thanks - the faculty intranet (I'm really referring to economics here) isn't too much help on these matters, I thought someone might have an idea.
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
2. For the economics tripos, I'm aware a starred first has not been awarded to my knowledge (ever, or for some time) - but for individual papers, is a mark of over 80 a *1st/starred first? As far as I know, above 80 would be a starred first. I'm just guessing, sort of extrapolating from other subjects - I remember reading that then, getting an *average* of over 80 would then qualify a student to be considered for a *1st but not guarantee this. I can see how this is insanely difficult (since the student would have to be able to be both a superb mathematician, essay writer and fact-taker at the same time, which is incredibly rare) but I'd be surprised if no-one had ever managed it.
3. Are exam results for everyone made available online at some point? No economics results from any time appear to be available, so I was just wondering. are rankings ever published (again, for economics) online or otherwise?
Thanks - the faculty intranet (I'm really referring to economics here) isn't too much help on these matters, I thought someone might have an idea.
Hi there! I was wondering, did you get the e-mail I sent you a couple of weeks ago? You might not have though because I have a habit of accidentally typing incorrect addresses or clicking on the wrong person from my contacts list
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Hi there! I was wondering, did you get the e-mail I sent you a couple of weeks ago? You might not have though because I have a habit of accidentally typing incorrect addresses or clicking on the wrong person from my contacts list ...
...Hey! No, sorry, don't think I did actually - I replied to the ones from you that I recieved. Try resending.
Hi SJoshi64
I wonder if you can get a starred 1st (mark over 80) in two papers? It would be quite a feat. I wonder if anyone has done this before???
I wonder if you can get a starred 1st (mark over 80) in two papers? It would be quite a feat. I wonder if anyone has done this before???
sjoshi64
Just some questions to anyone who might know:
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
2. For the economics tripos, I'm aware a starred first has not been awarded to my knowledge (ever, or for some time) - but for individual papers, is a mark of over 80 a *1st/starred first? As far as I know, above 80 would be a starred first. I'm just guessing, sort of extrapolating from other subjects - I remember reading that then, getting an *average* of over 80 would then qualify a student to be considered for a *1st but not guarantee this. I can see how this is insanely difficult (since the student would have to be able to be both a superb mathematician, essay writer and fact-taker at the same time, which is incredibly rare) but I'd be surprised if no-one had ever managed it.
3. Are exam results for everyone made available online at some point? No economics results from any time appear to be available, so I was just wondering. are rankings ever published (again, for economics) online or otherwise?
Thanks - the faculty intranet (I'm really referring to economics here) isn't too much help on these matters, I thought someone might have an idea.
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
2. For the economics tripos, I'm aware a starred first has not been awarded to my knowledge (ever, or for some time) - but for individual papers, is a mark of over 80 a *1st/starred first? As far as I know, above 80 would be a starred first. I'm just guessing, sort of extrapolating from other subjects - I remember reading that then, getting an *average* of over 80 would then qualify a student to be considered for a *1st but not guarantee this. I can see how this is insanely difficult (since the student would have to be able to be both a superb mathematician, essay writer and fact-taker at the same time, which is incredibly rare) but I'd be surprised if no-one had ever managed it.
3. Are exam results for everyone made available online at some point? No economics results from any time appear to be available, so I was just wondering. are rankings ever published (again, for economics) online or otherwise?
Thanks - the faculty intranet (I'm really referring to economics here) isn't too much help on these matters, I thought someone might have an idea.
there are lots of rumours surrounding starred firsts. some people maintain that they are for over 80% (as an average). however, there have also been rumours of their being awarded for an outstanding performance in just one area (most commonly a dissertation or research). i think it varies between triposes, but this is cambridge so who knows...
sjoshi64
1. Is a classification of 'First class' different in any way from one of 'First class honours' for a Part IA (first year) Tripos exam? I assumed so, but then the economics website on classification specifies 'honours' for second year exam results but omits them for the first year results table. Does the inclusion of honours mean anything at all or is it standard phrasing?
As has been said, it is rare to receive anything but honours. It is possible to do badly enough to receive an 'allowance towards an ordinary degree'. However, if you are classified by the examiners (even in the third class) you have achieved honours in that Part.
2. For the economics tripos, I'm aware a starred first has not been awarded to my knowledge (ever, or for some time) - but for individual papers, is a mark of over 80 a *1st/starred first? As far as I know, above 80 would be a starred first. I'm just guessing, sort of extrapolating from other subjects - I remember reading that then, getting an *average* of over 80 would then qualify a student to be considered for a *1st but not guarantee this. I can see how this is insanely difficult (since the student would have to be able to be both a superb mathematician, essay writer and fact-taker at the same time, which is incredibly rare) but I'd be surprised if no-one had ever managed it.
I was just looking into this and - interestingly - I'm not sure that there is such a thing as a starred first in Economics. The rules for examinations are contained in Chapter IV of the University Ordinances. Rule 10 for the Economics Tripos states: 'In each Part the names of the students who obtain honours shall be arranged in three classes, of which the second shall be divided into two divisions. The names in the first and third classes and in each division of the second class shall be arranged in alphabetical order'. Compare that to Rule 27 for the Classics Tripos: 'The names of the candidates who obtain honours shall be placed by the Examiners in three classes, of which the second shall be divided into two divisions. The names in the first and third classes and in each division of the second class shall be arranged in alphabetical order. A mark of distinction shall be awarded for special excellence'. The latter form (with a power to award a distinction) is far more common.
In any case, when they are awarded for an overall result, they are done so at the discretion of the examiners (the rules use loose phrases such as 'special merit' or 'special excellence'). Some Faculties do provide guidance to examiners on their use, I believe. For instance, in law, the convention is to consider candidates for a star if they achieve an average of 75% overall. However, as other people have noted, examiners can award a star for a generally good performance but an outstanding thesis etc. if they wish.
As far as I can tell, there are no rules on the use of a star in individual papers, but it seems there is a University-wide convention of calling an individual paper mark a 'starred first' mark when it is as far above a first, as a first is above an upper second class (ie 80%).
3. Are exam results for everyone made available online at some point? No economics results from any time appear to be available, so I was just wondering. are rankings ever published (again, for economics) online or otherwise?
All results are published in the Reporter (the University's official publication) but the Class List edition is only available in hard copy and not online. You can purchase it from the University bookshop for a couple of pounds in late August. Rankings are never published nor individual marks; merely the class of each candidate.
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