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    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/no...t-immigration/

    I agree to 100% with this guy, finally someone who is thinking straight. It is not an advantage for Britain to accept so many immigrants that we do. It is not economically viable in the long run. Because of the terrible integration system in Britain as well, we are just asking for an increase in racism, prejudice and segregation.
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    We're still suffering from the after-effects of immigration in the 1960s (ghettoisation of inner-cities, segregation/riots and drug problems which are almost directly linked to serious crime. I'm not racist or a BNP supported by any means but when my son can't get a job (struggling myself as it is) in 10 years time I'll lament the government.

    Search my thread on Magaret Hodge, she talks sense.
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    Yes, it is getting a bit silly now.
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    (Original post by Collingwood)
    No.
    Expand. One syllable doesn't convey an argument.
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    (Original post by cucumber sandwich)
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/no...t-immigration/

    I agree to 100% with this guy, finally someone who is thinking straight. It is not an advantage for Britain to accept so many immigrants that we do. It is not economically viable in the long run. Because of the terrible integration system in Britain as well, we are just asking for an increase in racism, prejudice and segregation.
    You've never heard of Tebbit before...?

    So are you proposing the UK should reduce its population size? Or what are you suggesting (since Tebbit doesn't have an answer)?
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    (Original post by jaydoh)
    We're still suffering from the after-effects of immigration in the 1960s (ghettoisation of inner-cities, segregation/riots and drug problems which are almost directly linked to serious crime. I'm not racist or a BNP supported by any means but when my son can't get a job (struggling myself as it is) in 10 years time I'll lament the government.

    Search my thread on Magaret Hodge, she talks sense.
    Even if your son can't get a job I don't believe that's a justification to blame immigration. If he doesn't have the skills and qualifications to better someone that is more qualified then that's his problem not the problem of someone that has entered this country and that is well educated. I would rather someone be hired based on qualification rather than the fact that they are British and 'deserve' the job.

    I do agree that something has to be done about illegal immigration and the resources that this is using up. However, those that are here legally doing low paid jobs as well as those very well qualified individuals in better positions; I welcome with open arms and have no problems with whatsoever.
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    I do believe we should drastically reduce immigration anyway.
    However, we need to reduce it further so that we can come to terms with what we have. We need to ensure the infrastructure is in place because we accept any more. This should be coupled with a strengthening of the criteria so we only admit wealthy or educated individuals.
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    I would go as far as saying British jobs for British workers though, Californiadreamin.

    At the end of the day if Poland etc was so full of skilled workers it's economy would be fantastic.

    The industry sector of the British job market is saturated by immigrants and it's not fair. Less foreign workers, more aaprenticeships for younger people, more college places, let's get more British youths into work and off the streets. I think with a purpose in life they'll commit a lot less crime, too, btw.
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    I think I'd go a little further than zero net immigration. More like;

    -No inward immigration at all, apart from very, very highly skilled and needed people from other european countries
    -Deportation of all recently arriving immigrants who are on benefits
    -Deportation of all first generation immigrants who commit serious crimes (assault, burgalry, etc.), with the option to take their family with them
    -Population cap at 70 or 80 million. This wouldn't even be a big problem seeing as the non-immigrant population has a negative fertility rate anyway.

    If we don't do something like the above, although it will appease the masses greatly, we'll end up with an overpopulated, divided, ghettoised hellhole of a country on our hands. Then we'll be the ones having to apply for asylum.
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    (Original post by jaydoh)
    I would go as far as saying British jobs for British workers though, Californiadreamin.

    At the end of the day if Poland etc was so full of skilled workers it's economy would be fantastic.

    The industry sector of the British job market is saturated by immigrants and it's not fair. Less foreign workers, more aaprenticeships for younger people, more college places, let's get more British youths into work and off the streets. I think with a purpose in life they'll commit a lot less crime, too, btw.
    A skilled workforce isn't the only thing thats needed for an economy to flourish.

    Why isn't it fair? Poles work harder and are happier with lower wages, are you against capitalism? If the local workforce was better then employers would never go for Poles.
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    (Original post by jaydoh)
    I would go as far as saying British jobs for British workers though, Californiadreamin.
    So you're going to let those who are already here continue to live here but be unable to get work and consequently forcing them into a life of poverty.

    Ugh.
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    (Original post by Good Apollo)
    I think I'd go a little further than zero net immigration. More like;

    -No inward immigration at all, apart from very, very highly skilled and needed people from other european countries
    -Deportation of all recently arriving immigrants who are on benefits
    -Deportation of all first generation immigrants who commit serious crimes (assault, burgalry, etc.), with the option to take their family with them
    -Population cap at 70 or 80 million.

    If we don't do something like the above, although it will appease the masses greatly, we'll end up with an overpopulated, divided, ghettoised hellhole of a country on our hands. Then we'll be the ones having to apply for asylum.
    So the UK would lose 500,000 a year in migration and with a birth rate of under two can't even replace people if there were there was no emigration.
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    (Original post by Good Apollo)
    I think I'd go a little further than zero net immigration. More like;

    -No inward immigration at all, apart from very, very highly skilled and needed people from other european countries
    -Deportation of all recently arriving immigrants who are on benefits
    -Deportation of all first generation immigrants who commit serious crimes (assault, burgalry, etc.), with the option to take their family with them
    -Population cap at 70 or 80 million. This wouldn't even be a big problem seeing as the non-immigrant population has a negative fertility rate anyway.

    If we don't do something like the above, although it will appease the masses greatly, we'll end up with an overpopulated, divided, ghettoised hellhole of a country on our hands. Then we'll be the ones having to apply for asylum.
    So essentially you believe that all the problems in the UK are due to immigrants? :confused: Also why do you support no inward migration at all or only that from Europe i.e. countries with a predominantly white population when we are allowed to visit and work anywhere we want. That hardly seems fair now does it?
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    (Original post by Phalanges)
    So you're going to let those who are already here continue to live here but be unable to get work and consequently forcing them into a life of poverty.

    Ugh.
    Don't "ugh" me I'm talking theoretically. If they hadn't came over (again theoretically) then they wouldn't know this "better life". A life of poverty? It can't be that bad in Poland surely? Or do you mean Britain? Surely they could go back to their original jobs in Warsaw or Krakow or wherever. Because there's a shortage of jobs over there apparantly.

    It just doesn't make for fair society if people who were born and raised in a country are forced to move to another country to practice their trade, not by choice, but because they're forced to because job prospects are dwindling due to immigration.

    I'm not saying immigration is a bad thing and I encourage the successful integration of immigrants into British society. But too much is surely going to cause problems.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    A skilled workforce isn't the only thing thats needed for an economy to flourish.

    Why isn't it fair? Poles work harder and are happier with lower wages, are you against capitalism? If the local workforce was better then employers would never go for Poles.
    I'd sure as hell be happy to work in a factory at the minute, and would work "harder" (comparing British people's work ethic is silly in this economic climate, because lots of people would be happy for a job) but I can't find a job in that sector. So basically you're saying Polish people are happier on lower wages and work harder when ironically British people would want to work for lower wages happily nowadays but can't.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    So the UK would lose 500,000 a year in migration and with a birth rate of under two can't even replace people if there were there was no emigration.
    I'm sure people could be incentivised to have more children. It's hardly an insurmountable problem.


    (Original post by californiadreamin)
    So essentially you believe that all the problems in the UK are due to immigrants? :confused:
    Uh, no? Where did I say that?

    Also why do you support no inward migration at all or only that from Europe i.e. countries with a predominantly white population when we are allowed to visit and work anywhere we want. That hardly seems fair now does it?
    I'd like to see you visit the middle east and try to drink alcohol, look at porn, or have sex with your girlfriend. It might not seem fair, but life isn't fair, and the alternative is far worse.
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    (Original post by californiadreamin)
    Even if your son can't get a job I don't believe that's a justification to blame immigration. If he doesn't have the skills and qualifications to better someone that is more qualified then that's his problem not the problem of someone that has entered this country and that is well educated. I would rather someone be hired based on qualification rather than the fact that they are British and 'deserve' the job.

    I do agree that something has to be done about illegal immigration and the resources that this is using up. However, those that are here legally doing low paid jobs as well as those very well qualified individuals in better positions; I welcome with open arms and have no problems with whatsoever.
    What if it isn't because they're most qualified, what if it's because they are willing to work for less money?
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    (Original post by Good Apollo)
    I'm sure people could be incentivised to have more children. It's hardly an insurmountable problem.
    They already are at the tune of just over a grand a year.

    500,000 extra babies a year (plus the ones to make the population sustainable)... what do you think that'll take?
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    (Original post by jaydoh)
    I'd sure as hell be happy to work in a factory at the minute, and would work "harder" (comparing British people's work ethic is silly in this economic climate, because lots of people would be happy for a job) but I can't find a job in that sector. So basically you're saying Polish people are happier on lower wages and work harder when ironically British people would want to work for lower wages happily nowadays but can't.
    Yes it is isn't it

    Whereas the Poles are going home as sterling has collapsed.
 
 
 
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