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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    No but is wanting to bring back witch burnings and the English people concerns about historically unprecedented uninvited and unwanted demographic change really a fair comparison...?

    First of all your making the assumption that all this immigration is a good thing, its just that the 70+ % of the population cannot see how its benefited them so greatly.
    OK, so discourse about immigration portrays immigration as a bad thing. So what? Reality and people's perception of reality are two very different things.
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    OK, so discourse about immigration portrays immigration as a bad thing. So what? Reality and people's perception of reality are two very different things.
    What's your overall point?
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    What's your overall point?
    Uh, that your "X% of people think immigration is bad" line doesn't mean that immigration actually IS bad and doesn't justify more anti-immigrant policies.
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    Uh, that your "X% of people think immigration is bad" line doesn't mean that immigration actually IS bad and doesn't justify more anti-immigrant policies.
    democracy. The people want stricter immigration policies, so the people should get it.

    Or does democracy suck?

    But in all seriousness Britain needs to control its immigration. Controlled immigration is brilliant if not beneficial.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    democracy. The people want stricter immigration policies, so the people should get it.

    Or does democracy suck?
    Pffffft. Funny how people claim that democracy is a good thing only when the general public are on their side. And yeah, representative democracy *does* suck.

    But in all seriousness Britain needs to control its immigration. Controlled immigration is brilliant if not beneficial.
    Why?
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    Uh, that your "X% of people think immigration is bad" line doesn't mean that immigration actually IS bad and doesn't justify more anti-immigrant policies.
    Those bloody English people eh... always getting in the way.
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    Those bloody English people eh... always getting in the way.
    Complete non-sequitur. Bravo.
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    Complete non-sequitur. Bravo.
    This is the intellectual level we are dealing with unfortunately. Anything more complex than "bloody immigrants taking our jobs and using our services" is too hard to grasp...
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    No but is wanting to bring back witch burnings and the English people concerns about historically unprecedented uninvited and unwanted demographic change really a fair comparison...?

    First of all your making the assumption that all this immigration is a good thing, its just that the 70+ % of the population cannot see how its benefited them so greatly.
    I'm arguing that, not assuming it. You seem to be saying that I am wrong because other people (apparently) disagree with me. This doesn't follow at all.

    Secondly, I am most emphatically not framing immigration in terms of benefits to the incumbent population. Immigration is a non-violent, consensual activity between people who want to buy or rent houses in a particular area and people who own them. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. I do not care if the incumbent population benefits. They might even lose out, eg. it might cause immense psychological damage to hysterical racists. These people need to realise that they do not, in fact, own the entirety of the UK. They only own the bit they happen to live in, and possibly not even that.
 
 
 
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