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    (Original post by Good Apollo)
    Uh, no? Where did I say that?
    "we'll end up with an overpopulated, divided, ghettoised hellhole of a country on our hands. Then we'll be the ones having to apply for asylum."


    (Original post by Good Apollo)
    I'd like to see you visit the middle east and try to drink alcohol, look at porn, or have sex with your girlfriend. It might not seem fair, but life isn't fair, and the alternative is far worse.
    Once again this is only an example of one extreme. Immigrants to this country don't force you to adopt rules from their own countries so I don't see why this is relevant as an example. How you can claim that immigration is bad based on this?
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    Ah screw it. Britain is a hell hole as some sectors of the media lead you to believe.

    I want to move to Barbados and work as anything (I know a hard day's graft) just to sustain a living there, and have a beachfront apartment (free healthcare and a welfare state to rely on if I can't work would be nice).

    We all dream of moving to better places for better lives. I say we should be happy with our lot in life and have done with it, less problems that way.
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    (Original post by californiadreamin)
    "we'll end up with an overpopulated, divided, ghettoised hellhole of a country on our hands. Then we'll be the ones having to apply for asylum."
    "So essentially you believe that all the problems in the UK are due to immigrants." No. I think there are some big problems due to immigration, and that they're only going to get worse in time, but in this quote I'm not scapegoating all of the UKs problems onto them.

    (Original post by Quady)
    They already are at the tune of just over a grand a year.
    Source? I'd be quite interested in this.
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    I iz Greek. Ken I plz stey? I promis I vil verk hard fer ze Bwitish nation.
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    (Original post by Good Apollo)
    Money isn't the only think people are going to be persuaded by, you know. Besides, half a million is nothing on a national scale. You couldn't buy half a Ferrari Enzo for that.
    Yeah, I was asking what could be done, just saying people have a monetary incentivation already.

    Not half a million pounds. Half a million people.

    ie an increase to the birthrate to 3.6, from a current 1.95.
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    I really hate when english people say " imigrants steal our jobs" when there are families that never worked in their life...

    I know some one who had a fish and chips shop. Was very profitable, the owner felt she was too old to work, so her daughter took over. Because she couldn't find anyone english to work in there and her daughter and granddaughter said they are not gonna work there, now this place is closed...

    I myself work at a warehouse.
    English people -complain about the need to work overtime, even though our warehouse pays more than any other warehouse in the area.
    Eastern euopeans - happy to do 60 hours a week
    English - don't give a toss about how they do their work
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    (Original post by SunOfABeach)
    I iz Greek. Ken I plz stey? I promis I vil verk hard fer ze Bwitish nation.
    I didn't know Greece was a German colony.
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    (Original post by jaydoh)
    Expand. One syllable doesn't convey an argument.
    Yes [it does].
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    (Original post by jaydoh)
    but when my son can't get a job (struggling myself as it is) in 10 years time I'll lament the government.
    If your son cannot even find a job when competing with people who can barely speak English then I would pity him.
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    Actually many Poles aren't going home. The benefits they get here are far greater (I think about four times) than what they get back home, which kinda outweighs the weakness of the GBP. There are also more people unemployed (percentage-wise) in Poland than here. So it benefits an unemployed Pole to stay in the UK if unemployed.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Eastern European migrants are probably more hard working than many Britons, will work for lower wages, and have a very good ethos in terms of work and society. However, unfortunately this does not mean they are good for Britain. I favour incentives to keep them out of Britain when not working and a cap on immigration (probably at about net immigration). For instance, migrants can claim unemployment benefits in Britain after working here for only a single year. Why not increase that to, say, six years - that way immigrants get the benefits of working in Britain during boom times when our economy needs more workers, but go back home when there is a surplus of labour.

    Also I think it's easy to see net immigration as the be all and end all, wheras it would perhaps be better to look at the natural increase data (i.e. population including birth rate withi Britain) for today, sixteen, eighteen and about 21 years ago (i.e. the ages when people will be entering the job market).

    So yes, I agree it is time for a cap on immigration at the same level as emmigration.
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    (Original post by michael321)
    Actually many Poles aren't going home. The benefits they get here are far greater (I think about four times) than what they get back home, which kinda outweighs the weakness of the GBP. There are also more people unemployed (percentage-wise) in Poland than here. So it benefits an unemployed Pole to stay in the UK if unemployed.
    Nobody said they were...

    They are going to other EU nations. The Netherlands in particular.
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    (Original post by Good Apollo)
    Source? I'd be quite interested in this.
    You haven't heard of child benefit?

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTax...fits/index.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_benefit

    1,040 a year for 09/10
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    What is far more detrimental to the economy is those BRITISH citizens on benefits that refuse to get jobs, if theres one thing that immigrants do is they get jobs whether they be low paying or low aspiration jobs. Why should a working immigrant have to leave the country when they are contributing to the economy (by offering far better productivity at lower wages) whilst those on benefits do not.

    We need to sort out our productivity first, get those lazy English builders to start working harder because i have no sympathy for those that charge higher prices work little and then blame polish workers because they fear the competition.
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    (Original post by RyanT)
    I didn't know Greece was a German colony.
    Hahaha. We don't have a different pronunciation for words such as "the", "for", "we", "will", "Brit" (we have a heavier accent but we don't use different letters in order to pronounce them). I did ok with "ken", "promis" and "stey" though. Perhaps I should have said "Britis" as well. We don't pronounce the "sh" part very well :p:

    Anyways, I was trying to sound foreign :p:
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    Britain is by far the most crowded country in Europe, with a population shooting towards 70m. It has been admitted by politicians and other figures that we can't support that number of people, so we have to do what we can to stop the population getting much higher. So yes, 0 net migration might be a good idea.
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    (Original post by SpamBa)
    Britain is by far the most crowded country in Europe, with a population shooting towards 70m.
    Shooting towards at 170,000 a year?
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    (Original post by SpamBa)
    Britain is by far the most crowded country in Europe, with a population shooting towards 70m. It has been admitted by politicians and other figures that we can't support that number of people, so we have to do what we can to stop the population getting much higher. So yes, 0 net migration might be a good idea.
    What about France and Germany?
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    You don't earn the right to a job just because your mummy squeezed you out in a certain location.
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    (Original post by SunOfABeach)
    What about France and Germany?
    Have lower population densities...?
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    (Original post by SpamBa)
    Britain is by far the most crowded country in Europe
    You mean apart from Belgium and the Netherlands?
 
 
 
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