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    (Original post by rodarte)
    I think it only works for certain groups of people (yahs come to mind...)
    This isn't an if and only if statement. St Andrews works for other types of people who do not fall into the category of "yah", and I'm sure there are some "yahs" who dislike St Andrews.
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    (Original post by la_banane_verte)
    This isn't an if and only if statement. St Andrews works for other types of people who do not fall into the category of "yah", and I'm sure there are some "yahs" who dislike St Andrews.
    Yah. I agree!

    I've never met anyone who hates the place enough to transfer.

    Oh well. To each his own.
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    (Original post by dragon500uk)

    I've never met anyone who hates the place enough to transfer.
    Well, hello then.

    The yah statement was a bit of a generalisation, but there are definitely quite a few pockets of people who really dislike their time here at st andrews. It has a good reputation, which is helpful when you apply for grad school or jobs, but I think there isn't enough substance to back up how the school's been marketing itself. It's not bad but it's not that great. Also I've found the student population in general to be extremely cliqueish - I was attracted by the high international student population, but sadly this has not translated into diversity. Students may come from different countries but it still tends to be a very homogeneous crowd.
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    (Original post by M_E_X)
    Hmm, ok. Sorry for accusing you

    Have you read all this thread?
    And do you accept that your views are a (very) minority view?

    I think there is a fine line between providing accurate information about a place, and deliberately putting people going to that place.
    M_E_X you are such a loser.
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    (Original post by Umiisadorable)
    M_E_X you are such a loser.
    Knowing him personally, I completely disagree.


    For the thread: If you want to transfer uni - there's a page on the school website. It's no big deal.
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    (Original post by dragon500uk)
    Knowing him personally, I completely disagree.


    For the thread: If you want to transfer uni - there's a page on the school website. It's no big deal.
    O.K, so persistently belittling me for having an opinion diffrent to his and accussing me of posting content as another user and then making fun of me over something I didn't even do is totally cool? Right. He's an obsessive creep.
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    (Original post by Umiisadorable)
    O.K, so persistently belittling me for having an opinion diffrent to his and accussing me of posting content as another user and then making fun of me over something I didn't even do is totally cool? Right. He's an obsessive creep.
    If you'd bother to read one of the other threads - he's already apologised.

    Let's just leave it be.

    No one agrees with everything - the fact we're entitled to our own opinion still stands.

    Calm it Janet.
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    (Original post by dragon500uk)
    If you'd bother to read one of the other threads - he's already apologised.

    Let's just leave it be.

    No one agrees with everything - the fact we're entitled to our own opinion still stands.

    Calm it Janet.
    I'm not leaving it be, I've been enormously respectful of other peoples' opinions here and have never made up lies about anyone, so I have every right to be angry. And I don't recall him having apologised to ME, and I'm the person he accussed. Also this is exactly what I'm talking about- the people on this site who most vehemently oppose what I have said have basically tried EVERYTHING to make me look like an uncredible source by attacking everything about me, including my educational background, and now I'm being accussed of lying and creating a fake profile- which I think is actually against forum rules. I didn't want to stoop to that level, but now I'm done with being polite.

    And my name is not Janet, you fool.
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    (Original post by Umiisadorable)
    I'm not leaving it be, I've been enormously respectful of other peoples' opinions here and have never made up lies about anyone, so I have every right to be angry. And I don't recall him having apologised to ME, and I'm the person he accussed. Also this is exactly what I'm talking about- the people on this site who most vehemently oppose what I have said have basically tried EVERYTHING to make me look like an uncredible source by attacking everything about me, including my educational background, and now I'm being accussed of lying and creating a fake profile- which I think is actually against forum rules. I didn't want to stoop to that level, but now I'm done with being polite.

    And my name is not Janet, you fool.
    You came and posted misleading information on a thread, claiming that people that enjoyed themselves here were just kidding themselves, and did your best to put other people off.

    I could appreciate where you came from if you hadn't openly tried to deceive to those who might apply here. The vast majority of us are open about the universities shortcomings, we hardly try to "trick" people into coming here.

    The uni has every right to market itself the way it does. It has come top of student satisfaction surveys for a few years now.
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    (Original post by Umiisadorable)
    M_E_X you are such a loser.
    :cool:


    Let me pose you a simple question;

    If St Andrews is so bad, why does it routinely top the student satisfaction tables?

    Answer; because people who come here are happy with the world-class education and amazing town that St Andrews is. The tiny minority of people who aren't happy are people like you, who by your own admission didn't even visit before committing yourself to spending 4+ years here, and then moans about the lack of a "large shopping centre". Hmm.

    See my post here;
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...&postcount=231

    In the other thread, for further discussion, if you like .
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    A warning,

    Think carefully before transferring. St Andrews will not accept you back. I know a friend who transferred out last year, regretted it, reapplied, and then got rejected [by St Andrews] without consideration.
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    (Original post by Ekpyrotic)
    A warning,

    Thinking carefully before transferring. St Andrews will not accept you back. I know a friend who transferred out last year, regretted it, reapplied, and then got rejected [by St Andrews] without consideration.
    The grass is always greener. (:rolleyes: )

    Have you read the "St Andrews - a warning" thread? Ridiculous stuff.
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    (Original post by Meteorshower)
    You came and posted misleading information on a thread, claiming that people that enjoyed themselves here were just kidding themselves, and did your best to put other people off.

    I could appreciate where you came from if you hadn't openly tried to deceive to those who might apply here. The vast majority of us are open about the universities shortcomings, we hardly try to "trick" people into coming here.

    The uni has every right to market itself the way it does. It has come top of student satisfaction surveys for a few years now.
    Thats not misinformation, its simply my opinion, based on what I have observed in this place...also, what I wrote was part of a thread in a huge forum in which you can read a lot of positive things about St Andrews such as how many coffee shops it has and how much fun the Bop is, and barely a negative thing is said about the place- I'm simply offerring the persective of someone who doesn't find the place appealling and I think its good for people to be able to observe the broad spectrum of opinions on the place.

    I don't think I'm decieving anyone any more than people who claim that this town is 'amazing'.
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    (Original post by M_E_X)
    The grass is always greener. (:rolleyes: )

    Have you read the "St Andrews - a warning" thread? Ridiculous stuff.
    Thats the spirit M_E_X! =D Thanks for promoting the thread. ....if it was so ridiculous then why would so many people have bothered to read all of it AND actually respond?!
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    [QUOTE=Umiisadorable]I've been enormously respectful of other peoples' opinions here

    ... really? really?

    seriously, maybe if you spent less time *****ing about St Andrews on internet forums and socialised, you'd be having a better time. You don't seem like someone who's particularly easy to get on with, seeing as you've been antagonistic to EVERYONE (especially on your other thread), even ImperceptibleNinja who has just been trying to help.

    May I just advise you, instead of broadcasting your negative views in an extremely aggressive way, maybe you should count your blessings. Good luck with transferring, St Andrews will be a better place without you.
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    (Original post by madamebovary)

    You don't seem like someone who's particularly easy to get on with, seeing as you've been antagonistic to EVERYONE (especially on your other thread), even ImperceptibleNinja who has just been trying to help.
    If you read the whole thread, until people started attacking me for personal things such as my educational background and accussed me of lying and creating false accounts etc., thats when I retaliated- the way a few people have referred to me here is actually extremely aggressive and immature, wheras all I've done is defend myself and state my opinion- most of teh agression, you'll find is from people such as yourself who are angry that I've written this and think I have no right to air my opinions....also I didn't say anything disrespectful to ImperceptableNinja I just wasn't going to let anyone tell me that I don't have the right to say what I honestly think about this place in a public forum. And that includes you.
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    (Original post by Umiisadorable)
    If you read the whole thread, until people started attacking me for personal things such as my educational background and accussed me of lying and creating false accounts etc., thats when I retaliated- the way a few people have referred to me here is actually extremely aggressive and immature, wheras all I've done is defend myself and state my opinion- most of teh agression, you'll find is from people such as yourself who are angry that I've written this and think I have no right to air my opinions....also I didn't say anything disrespectful to ImperceptableNinja I just wasn't going to let anyone tell me that I don't have the right to say what I honestly think about this place in a public forum. And that includes you.
    I never told anyone to do anything, or said what anyone did or didn't have rights to do. I gave my opinion on some of the stuff you said and how you said it, because I thought people reading the thread might like to hear a variety of opinions, and I don't think you were always as clear or objective as you might have been - I think I wanted to make people aware of that aspect. I do think perhaps I got a bit enthusiastic and undiplomatic with some of what I was saying, and I'm sorry for that. However, insulting all St Andrews students who enjoy being here in your first post isn't really a good start for avoiding people getting angry.

    I think some people reacted very badly and unfairly to what you said, but not everyone has. Some people have been quite reasonable, and you seem to have lashed out at them a bit as well as at the people who've been unkind. I still support the notion of emphasising the downfalls of any university to prospective students, and encouraging them to consider their decisions.

    Also, I don't blame people for commenting on the possibility of duplicate accounts. I've never seen anyone as disliking of St Andrews in this forum in all the time I've been on this site, then suddenly two people pop up at once and start agreeing with each other. I can see why people suspected that multiple account mischief was going on.


    Back on topic: How's the transfer stuff going? Have you found other universities that you would like to continue your degree at?
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    ^^If I want to transfer, its too late for this year and I'd have to wait until next year in order to do it vis UCAS...so like several of my friends who've also looked into it, I've resigned myself to staying- but one thing I'd really like to stress is that I know quite a number of people who do not like it here....I think people are often really ashamed to admit that because they want everyone to think that they're happy and having a great time, and they might even look that way sometimes- my self included, I don't want my friends and family to think I'm miserable- but the truth is a lot of people I know and have spoken to- soem from London, some from Canada, some even from Scotland- including a former roomate who actually commutes from Edinburgh now to avoid havign to live here- have seriously considered leaving St Andrews because they felt like they were wasting their University experience.

    I just think people should know that before they accept that just because its got this marvellous reputation, it doens't mean the place itsef is actually great- socially it caters largely to a very specific type of person as illustrated by the fact that the University is knocking down the cheapest accomodation to construct newer accomodation that is literally twice as expensive. Also, the quality of teachign is very variable in the Arts Courses which is why I have trouble accepting that this is an institution that compares to Oxbridge.

    This place wants to seem like its diverse and un-Elitist, But its not. This thread is redundant now though because I'm ptobably not tranferring so I'll try and close it.
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    (Original post by rodarte)
    Or it could just mean that there is a substantial proportion of the student body here that's not happy with the school....
    ...
    I don't really understand how that makes sense. I've been on this site for over 3 years and I've never found anyone who dislikes St Andrews as much as you guys seem do. It doesn't mean I expect everyone to like it here. The probabilistic statement I made doesn't imply that I don't accept the existence of people who dislike St Andrews. I've just not seen many in quite a long time, so two arriving at once is rather exceptional, based on a significant amount of data. When a person says something statistically improbable on this site and someone else arrives and starts agreeing, duplicate accounts are often the explanation. That's what makes me sympathetic with anyone who thought that duplicate accounts had been created.

    I fully accept that St Andrews is not right for everyone and that some people won't like it. I've not oppressed anyone in voicing their opinions, and I've not accused anyone of having duplicate accounts. I don't think anyone's voice should be elevated above anyone else's; opinions can't be right or wrong. I'm sorry if there has been room for misinterpretation in what I've been saying.

    It was my opinion that there was a lack of clarity, I wasn't intending to personally attack anyone and I'm sorry if it came across like that. I mentioned it because it was my motive for posting at the beginning of my involvement in this.


    I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread now, for exactly the same reasons as I left the other one. I hope OP finds a university that suits them more than St Andrews.
 
 
 
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