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    (Original post by HighestKungFu)
    *EDIT* - I think I may have jumped the gun on this one. If I did, I apologise (I'm at work and haven't had chance to read the entire thread!), but I will still leave these post up as I'm fighting the corner of Arts & Humanties students.

    Hmm you certainly seem sure of yourself, however your comments here make you look like a moron. I hope you are joking?

    For one, the comment about history being all in the past so "why bother" is laughable. EVERYTHING up until this present second in time is in the past, so are we to disregard the study of the importance and achievements of every past generation? I will laugh even more if you ever dream of being famous, because when your dead and gone, maybe we should say "his in the past, why bother?" Also, it has been discovered that there are more History graduates on the Board of Directors of companies in the UK than from any other discipline.

    Demographics - Yes, it concerns PEOPLE, you know, human beings - the species we belong to? But no, that's not important either.

    Pedagogy - Hmm, I hope you have kids one day, so you can somehow explain to them that you don't believe TEACHING is important. Gee, of course it isn't, it's just the foundation of every ******* discipline being passed on to the next generation in the whole world.

    Languages - No, your right, we don't need bilingual or trilingual people. At the next meeting of World Leaders, let them all confuse eachother to the point of blowing the world to bits with nukes.

    "Hey, Barack only asked for a can of beer, why did you nuke Russia dude?"

    And hey, next time your in another country, make sure your fluent in their native tongue yeah? No-one will be around to translate after all.

    And it's the Politicians who have all the POWER incase you didn't realise. They are the ones who could have you holding a gun in a foreign land one day fighting a World war you don't even believe in. But hey, all that Politics stuff, yeah that's not important, it only concerns the running and maintainance of the entire world, so why bother? YOU ****.

    I take it you do some kind of numbers related subject? Well I say this - I'd much rather spend my life studying Art, Languages, People, Education, History and WORDS than be some ******* numbers geek stuck pondering numbers all day long for the sake of making an extra couple of thousand. Words are infinitely more powerful in my life than numbers will ever be.

    No combination of numbers ever made me cry.

    So yeah, these subjects do matter to some people. Show some respect.

    Rant over.
    You may want to look up the word "sarcasm" in the dictionary before calling other people morons.

    EDIT: Actually, your post kind of proves the point how subjects like literature and English are also important. If all they taught kids at school was physics and other 'hard' sciences, communication between people would suffer. People might not understand concepts like sarcasm.

    Some people here have argued that they'd rather hire a physics graduate to their newspaper than a media studies graduate. However, the writing skills of a typical physics graduate are likely to be a lot less developed than those of a media studies graduate.
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    (Original post by Talveer)
    Its a hard price to pay when he is constantly saying how he hates his job and is making him depressed. He also graduated around 4 years ago so its not really a "starting grad" job is it?
    You didn't say any of that in your post, just that he was only on 23k and that was low.

    All I was saying is if thats the worst example you can think of with a science degree it doesn't really demonstrate your point.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Not all women are fertile, therefore not all women need to have sex.

    Its the same pathetic logic.

    no, its not.
    Not everyone needs to go to uni, many jobs dont require a degree yet people are still going to uni as the employment market is so poor at the moment, thus making the problem even worse as uni struggle to offer enough places and push requirements higher and higher. It would be much better to reduce the amount of people in unis and encourage more people to go into relevant apprenticeships or hands on training. For example it would be much more relevant for say a soon-to-be plumber to get 3 years hands on plumbing training or a training placement than go to uni for 3 years. Its just like this whole thing about nurses now needing degrees, its a load of bull. You dont need a degree to be a nurse, its been proved by the countless years beforehand when nurses didnt have degrees, and by forcing want to be nurses to get degrees just draws unnecessary levels of people into an already struggling uni system.
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    (Original post by mr eko)
    err no. Who honestly cares how many people go to uni? It doesn't affect you, assuming that your reason is that "they aren't smart enough" or other nonsense then you will get a stronger degree anyway.

    Unless your argument is that your course is overbooked, but I struggle to see that being true.
    It does as it affects taxation and the 26% public sector overspend.
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    (Original post by HJV)
    You may want to look up the word "sarcasm" in the dictionary before calling other people morons.
    Sorry mate I added the edit after. I hadn't seen the whole of the thread, and by the time I realised you were being sarcastic it was too late.

    Forgiveness please .
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    (Original post by Talveer)
    Well then what are you complaining about then?

    And by making connections, it is pretty obvious to anyone that if you know people where the jobs are you have a much higher chance of finding one.

    70% of jobs aren't even advertised.
    I'm not complaining.

    More importantly I'd rather get a job based on my own hardwork, skills and education than on "who I know".
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    (Original post by StadtJunky)
    So you don't get paid?
    As Talveer said:

    Who said anything about not getting paid. Its called "Working" for a passion not "charity for a passion" people need money to live. Working for a passion means you get that money by doing something you love.

    Not that hard to understand, although maybe it is if all you care about in the world is money.


    Obviously, there are bills to pay, but I studied the course I did at university because I loved it, and I'm in the career I'm now in because I love it.

    I'm passionate about what I do. I could be earning much more money now WITHOUT even having gone to university, but I'm instead in a relatively low-paid job with three years of university debt to my name because of a love for what I studied.
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    (Original post by Crimsonchilli)
    no, its not.
    Not everyone needs to go to uni, many jobs dont require a degree yet people are still going to uni as the employment market is so poor at the moment, thus making the problem even worse as uni struggle to offer enough places and push requirements higher and higher. It would be much better to reduce the amount of people in unis and encourage more people to go into relevant apprenticeships or hands on training. For example it would be much more relevant for say a soon-to-be plumber to get 3 years hands on plumbing training or a training placement than go to uni for 3 years. Its just like this whole thing about nurses now needing degrees, its a load of bull. You dont need a degree to be a nurse, its been proved by the countless years beforehand when nurses didnt have degrees, and by forcing want to be nurses to get degrees just draws unnecessary levels of people into an already struggling uni system.
    I don't disagree with that, but how do you know who is the 'soon to be plumber'?

    What you are getting at is the value add of uni. Personally I find it difficult to believe people getting into PPE at Oxford are any better on graduation than they were going in for example. The degree is just a passport to do other things. Whats the difference between that and say your nursing example?
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    (Original post by Talveer)
    It demonstrates my point perfectly. My point was that most people here think there going to walk out of university and be handed a job right on the spot earning £100k+ and find the cure for cancer the next week.

    The real world isnt like that and the sooner people realise that the better.


    From the bottom of my heat I really do hope that you find a well paying job and enjoy it, good for you, you earned it. Sadly most people on here cant even wish that much for someone simply because there not calculating numbers and equations all the time at university.

    Its almost as if they want them to suffer. "Oh your not as worthy as me Hahaha!! In your face, I hope you get a ****** job and end up really poor because I'm so much more better than you ahahahah!!"
    Honestly, how many people do you know expect to walk out of university onto a 100k job on their own merit?
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    I agree, i think some people in my sixth form are actually just going just because their mates are.

    It does seem to me that if someone is getting straight Ds and Es, a university education is not the right path for them and they would be better off getting an apprenticeship or something similar where they wouldn't come out with debt and they would be almost guaranteed a good job.

    I also think arts degrees are just as important as science degrees, its just ridiculous to say this is not true.
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    I wouldn't take issue with everyone who wanted to go to uni being able to go; however given the state of the system atm I think there are too many people. I'd rather funding went to properly educating fewer people and properly financing fewer institutions. Try to perfect the system first and then try to build it up afterwards imo.
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    (Original post by Natasha_c)
    I think thats true and I think people are pushed into university too much - other options aren't given.
    But then again I didn't get amazing A-levels, have applied to a few ex-polys and am doing a social science so not many of you would think I should be going to uni. :rolleyes:

    Although I plan to save, work harder and do a Masters rather then sit and complain that other people getting degrees has made it too hard for me. :cool:



    He didn't say that nurses shouldn't do any training just not degrees. That's a different argument but I personally would feel safer in the hands of a nurse who did better in placements and practical work rather then the nurse who got 100% in a biology exam.
    Don't know if you have read what the nursing degrees are like but they do placements on the degree and you work with every sector of society. So they will place you in a baby unit, watching a live birth, in surgery etc it's all hands on and gets you experience in all areas. It's not just exams.
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    I would agree that the range of degrees nowadays is so vast it almost seems ridiculous, but I support the fact that there are more students now than ever going to university. It leads to a better educated workforce and by extension a boost in the economy, and I don't see what's the problem with that.
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    (Original post by Spinnerette)
    Don't know if you have read what the nursing degrees are like but they do placements on the degree and you work with every sector of society. So they will place you in a baby unit, watching a live birth, in surgery etc it's all hands on and gets you experience in all areas. It's not just exams.
    I know, my point was that I would think the placements would be a much better way to learn and I think most people would agree with that. The problem is degree's are rightly seen to be academic ie exams rather then placements which is why a lot of people argue it shouldn't be learned in university/ become too academic.

    But you do placements depending on your specialism so you don't get to experience all areas, and yes you will be working and gaining experience for half of the degree.
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    Not at all.
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    (Original post by CJ99)
    Funny you should choose the degree I'm actually planning to do!

    My gran was a nurse as was my mum and my aunt and uncle are doctors and my papa was a head surgeon at Ninewells in Dundee
    and the opinion that you shouldn't a degree to be a nurse or a midwife is one they all share so actually its not ignorant at all. Why do poeple on the internet constantly assume anyone who disagrees with them is ignorant?:rolleyes:

    You clearly didn't understand the point at all. The point wasn't that nurses or midwifes are such low jobs that you shouldn't need a degree to do them. But that the skills needed to be a nurse or midwife aren't those that a degree can supply.

    The doctors job is to figure out whats wrong with you and what treatment to give you.

    The nurses is to make sure you get you medician, that your comfortable, to talk to patients put them at ease, to make the doctor has what they need etc.

    As many doctors will tell compared to what nurses used to be before degrees nurses aren't many nurses any more just under qualified doctors.
    I've heard Doctors complain that nursing graduates complain when asked to clean bedpans or give a disabled person a bath. And nowdays rather than give the medicine the doctor recomends to patients they ask why not give them this or that instead when they're not qualified to make that call. And when the doctor complains about any of these the answer is always but I'm a graduate.
    Thus why many doctors disagree with nurses needing degrees.

    So next time engagae your brain and do some research before calling someone ignorant.

    I would feel safer in the hands of a nurse who was a good nurse than a graduate who wasn't.
    Italics because neither of these actually did a degree in nursing and are therefore unqualified to say whether or whether not they're useful. Nursing has changed. They have much more responsibility than your mother did.

    Bolds because they're just plain wrong. I can't even argue this case. You're just wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    My girlfriend's a student nurse. Even she has pointed out that a prescribed medicine has been wrong on the charts. That mistake would have affected the patient so you don't think she's in the right or position to say that its wrong? She doesn't know anyone who's refused to do bed baths. It's something you just know you have to do.

    Also you can be a nurse prescriber meaning you actually are qualified to prescribe medication to patients.

    Finally, I used Mathematics as an example because I actually do it...

    Oh, and I'm not bothering to argue with someone about health care who can't spell medicine properly.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    So most teaching courses should go?
    No, I think that it's good to have a wide variety of courses available, but I just think that only the top institutions should be kept open and that University should be more selective and not let the people with not so great grades in (unless they have a reason of course). I just don't think enough people are committed enough to University and go just for the social life, which does waste a lot of government money. Maybe they should monitor students e.g. they need to attend a certain percentage of lessons etc. and if they don't then they have to pay a hefty fine or something. It's just very unfair on the tax payer, as many tax payers do not benefit from students.
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    Students that don't attend lessons on a regular basis should be told to continue not attending and the university would then kick them out.
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    (Original post by moomin_love)
    No, I think that it's good to have a wide variety of courses available, but I just think that only the top institutions should be kept open and that University should be more selective and not let the people with not so great grades in (unless they have a reason of course). I just don't think enough people are committed enough to University and go just for the social life, which does waste a lot of government money. Maybe they should monitor students e.g. they need to attend a certain percentage of lessons etc. and if they don't then they have to pay a hefty fine or something. It's just very unfair on the tax payer, as many tax payers do not benefit from students.
    Yeah but you want to close most teaching courses.
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    (Original post by Norfolkadam)
    Get over yourself. That's a pretty common question because it can either be hyphenated "no-one" or two words no one but you say it as one word so you might assume it is one word.
    She wasn't asking if it was 'no one' or 'no-one' - she thought it was 'noone'. I just thought it was funny - I wasn't saying you shouldn't be at University if you make spelling mistakes.
 
 
 
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