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    Just wondering...im trying keep my options open....coursewise and moneywise...
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    what level? part I - if you get a job at the moment in london £20-22k, outside london £15-18K
    part ii - starting at around £26K-28K in London, £22K outside London
    part iii - more variability i think depending on your specialism

    so pretty crap money
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    part 1 these days you'll be lucky if you get a job at all. be thankful for the minimum wage - lots of people willing to work for free so the 'value' of your work drops when someone else is more than willing to do the same for job. We are now even seeing this happen at Part 2...


    - People are working for free so 'value' of architecture graduates drops, (Simple economic principles applied here)
    - People doing overtime all the time and not claiming it or even putting it on the time sheet.
    - Architects own pride and arrogance.. how long did that take you.. they say .. 2days (when in fact it took them 4 days)
    - Architects setting stupid deadlines with clients
    - General bad management in terms of time management and business management for all architects across the board.
    - Architecture isn't a grudge purchase like Private doctor/accountant/lawyer so therefore there is complete carnage in so much an economic blip.
    - Worst hit in any recession
    - Longest,hardest and most expensive course to study, thus leaving you in huge amounts of debt that you never get the salary to pay off.
    - No Pension.


    And another note, architecture has the highest staff turnover rate of any "profession" thus the odds of being hired and fired are high. Constantly swimming from one job to another..

    RIBA publish guidelines on pay, but they are fantasy. Welcome to the place where only 'rich kids' survive.
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    what if you're really good?
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    (Original post by ArchiBoi)
    part 1 these days you'll be lucky if you get a job at all. be thankful for the minimum wage - lots of people willing to work for free so the 'value' of your work drops when someone else is more than willing to do the same for job. We are now even seeing this happen at Part 2...


    - People are working for free so 'value' of architecture graduates drops, (Simple economic principles applied here)
    - People doing overtime all the time and not claiming it or even putting it on the time sheet.
    - Architects own pride and arrogance.. how long did that take you.. they say .. 2days (when in fact it took them 4 days)
    - Architects setting stupid deadlines with clients
    - General bad management in terms of time management and business management for all architects across the board.
    - Architecture isn't a grudge purchase like Private doctor/accountant/lawyer so therefore there is complete carnage in so much an economic blip.
    - Worst hit in any recession
    - Longest,hardest and most expensive course to study, thus leaving you in huge amounts of debt that you never get the salary to pay off.
    - No Pension.


    And another note, architecture has the highest staff turnover rate of any "profession" thus the odds of being hired and fired are high. Constantly swimming from one job to another..

    RIBA publish guidelines on pay, but they are fantasy. Welcome to the place where only 'rich kids' survive.
    What does the parts mean?....
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    use google. i had assumed that given you were considering doing architecture you had done some basic research into the degree.
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    (Original post by jrhartley)
    use google. i had assumed that given you were considering doing architecture you had done some basic research into the degree.
    :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by jrhartley)
    use google. i had assumed that given you were considering doing architecture you had done some basic research into the degree.

    I came here to learn more about the course, not receive sarcastic comments......kinda rude.

    And Google doesn't always answer you straight to the point, specially with those annoying people messing around, unlike in TSR, this is why this forum is on "Architecture"...

    We wouldn't have had any problems if you just answered my question, instead of wasting time making sarcastic comments...
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    A lot more if they can use proper English.
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    (Original post by Niveken13)
    We wouldn't have had any problems if you just answered my question, instead of wasting time making sarcastic comments...
    and we wouldn't have to waste our time with your questions if you either:

    a) searched this forum as the question has been answered many times before here
    b) searched google, where the answer is available on the first page of your search results.

    don't assume the world owes you an answer because you can't be bothered to research yourself.
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    (Original post by Jfranny)
    what if you're really good?
    'good' hard to define, obviously bad staff go first in any recession. But what are you going to base 'good' on, cad proficiency? experience? Having all the presidents m medals under the sun won't save your ass if the practice is insolvent. To OP; you're a panhead.
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    (Original post by ArchiBoi)
    To OP; you're a panhead.
    What's a panhead?
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    Part 1 - First 3 years
    Part 2 - 1 year working 2 years MA
    Part 3 - 1 year for RIBA
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    (Original post by Krow)
    Part 1 - First 3 years
    Part 2 - 1 year working 2 years MA
    Part 3 - 1 year for RIBA
    = Broke, exhausted, malnurished, socially inept and mentally derranged.
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    sounds like fun!.....
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    I know people are complaining about wages etc. But do you not feel that the economic situation may pick up in 7 years time?
    Just wondering.
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    in 7 years time you will have to pay companies to work for them
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    (Original post by thatgirl07)
    I know people are complaining about wages etc. But do you not feel that the economic situation may pick up in 7 years time?
    Just wondering.
    No. Massive oversupply of students relative to positions. Add in the global market (have you seen how cheap renders in China are over FTP?) and you realise that in real terms your salary - if you are lucky to have one - will be going down in real terms vs. other professions.

    Its true for most roles, unfortunately. My guess as to jobs with greater protection from salary erosion: Medicine and Law. People need healthcare, people will get more litigious.
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    (Original post by jrhartley)
    and we wouldn't have to waste our time with your questions if you either:

    a) searched this forum as the question has been answered many times before here
    b) searched google, where the answer is available on the first page of your search results.

    don't assume the world owes you an answer because you can't be bothered to research yourself.
    Why be so aggressive? Ok, so the kid could have done more research but still, whatever happened to being a good samaritan? Such condescending and arrogant didacticism does not reflect well on yourself, even if, in essence, I agree with what you are saying.
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    (Original post by Jairaj)
    Why be so aggressive? Ok, so the kid could have done more research but still, whatever happened to being a good samaritan? Such pedantic arrogant lecturing does not reflect well on yourself, even if, in essence, I agree with what you are saying.
    Because I answered the question, only to be confronted with the most basic question. Where do we draw the line? Are we to be expected to have to define the very meaning of every word that we use in an answer because someone can't actually use their initiative? I'm sorry, but a line has to be drawn, its for their own good - they'll just end up getting roasted in the workplace / at uni if they are truly this in-adept.
 
 
 
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