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    (Original post by manchild007)
    Sartoriani are the biggest joke in the suiting world; it iterates me so much when people say they do bespoke (they were sued prior by the Saville Row Association).
    Sadly this failed, the ASA ruled they could class themselves as bespoke since the average consumer wouldn't know the difference.
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    Sadly this failed, the ASA ruled they could class themselves as bespoke since the average consumer wouldn't know the difference.
    Indeed it did; the reasoning given by the ASA I think just summed up for me the ridiculousness of it, as just b/c the average customer couldn't understand the difference between Bespoke and MTM, they were free to use the term Bespoke however they pleased.

    What annoys me more, is that they claim to have quote "The best bespoke suits in the world", when looking at the details (fabrics and production methods - its machine block made for god's sake, that's NOT even close to be considered as something best in the world!), it baffles me how they consider themselves anything close to this.

    Their suits are not bespoke and I can’t imagine what criteria they have for saying they are the "best in the world". Does the ASA have anything to say about this? Has Sartoriani commissioned a piece of thorough, independent research that compared its suits to Charvet and Turnbull & Asser, which concluded that Sartoriani was the finest?

    Answer: NO. Yet they can freely advertise themselves (and thus fool potential customers) as such. Ridiculous if you ask me.
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    (Original post by manchild007)
    Sartoriani are the biggest joke in the suiting world; it iterates me so much when people say they do bespoke (they were sued prior by the Saville Row Association). Their suits are made by a machine; on a block altered to a customer’s specifications. This is made-to-measure at best (I say this very loosely as its not even true MTM to be honest) :rolleyes:

    For those looking for suits, a word of advice, stay away from Sartoriani - they are basically just hacks, who charge ridiculous amounts by claiming their suits are;
    - Bespoke or MTM (certainly not the former and a very loose/weak definition of the latter, especially for the prices they charge)
    - That they are Saville Row (they have an office at 10 Saville Row, but they rent a disused ex-storage basement at the location, whereas there real office is on Bond Street/Canary Wharf and they have nothing to do with the Saville Row Association).

    It honestly is sad when you see someone fall for there marketing gimmicks b/c they perhaps are new to the suiting world (I hope the original poster at least questioned them about their techniques before signing onto them), as you can simply get MUCH BETTER suits for the amounts these guys charge.
    Heh, thanks for the info. I figured there was something screwy about these guys since their "bespoke" suits at £500 seem way too good to be true.
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    Any recommendations about where to go for a suit. £300-£500 depending on what i can get. I'm 6' 3" with broad shoulders and a narrow waist.
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    A thread pops up every so often here, so FFR:

    Anderson & Sheppard: http://www.anderson-sheppard.co.uk/ --After years of shunning the Internet, has begun 2006 with a new website with a decidedly modern look. Steadfastly single-minded in its approach, this is the Row's leading exponent and purveyor of the soft suit. Some swear by it; some swear at it...but there is no question that A&S remains a major force. Clad Prince Charles in its double-breasteds for years.

    Richard Anderson: http://www.richardandersonltd.com/ -- former Huntsman cutter who some on this Forum think is now more Huntsman than Huntsman; recently acquired one of the Row's oldest firms, Strickland and Sons

    Benson & Clegg: http://www.bensonandclegg.com/ -- just off the Row, George VI's tailor, traditional in a rather cosmopolitan sort of way, noted for their evening wear, rather reasonably priced and fine array of buttons and badges

    Darren Beaman: http://www.savile-row.com/ -- lots of discussion elsewhere on this Forum.

    Ozwald Boateng: http://www.ozwaldboateng.co.uk/main.html -- fashion-forward, lots of colour, unique, this isn't your father's Savile Row

    Tom Brown: http://www.tombrowntailors.co.uk/ -- Over 200 years of service to Old Etonians, history and tradition run high both at Eton and on Sackville Street

    Chester Barrie: http://www.chesterbarrie.co.uk/ -- has opened a new store in the Row, handtailoring but not necessarily bespoke

    Davies & Son: http://www.daviesandsonsavilerow.com/ -- venerable firm given new life by Alan Bennett and the acquisition of several noted firms including Johns & Pegg, James & James, and Wells; classic silhouette

    Dege-Skinner: http://www.dege-skinner.co.uk/ -- a long history with a strong military/equestrian tone and a preference for a real shape with a noticable waist and fuller coat at the chest and hips yet surprisingly flexible in meeting customer wants and needs, well regarded and visited for their country clothes

    Timothy Everest: http://www.timothyeverest.co.uk/ --former Nutter apprentice now among the leaders of the "New Bespoke" movement

    Gieves & Hawkes: http://www.gievesandhawkes.com/ -- impressively housed at #1 Savile Row, lots of military history and with major forays into ready-to-wear

    Hardy Amies: http://www.hardyamies.com/ -- was a major figure in British fashion -- dressmaker to the Queen; costume designer for 2001: A Space Odyssey; knighted in 1989. Amies retired in 2002 and died a year later, but the firm continued as an international fashion house with a flagship presence in Savile Row. After years of financial losses, the company announced that it would go into administration in October 2008. It was subsequently purchased by Fung Capital Europe, the private investment arm of Hong Kong's Li & Fung.

    Anthony Hewitt: http://www.aj-hewitt.co.uk/ -- housed Vincents of Savile Row, now owns Airey & Wheeler as well

    Stephen Hitchcock: http://www.stevenhitchcock.co.uk/ -- former Anderson & Sheppard apprentice now making soft suits on his own. You can find his blog at http://www.savilerow.blogs.com

    H. Huntsman: http://www.h-huntsman.com/ -- said to have the Row's top prices and still making a very sleek but firm signature one-button coat

    James & James (incorporated into Davies & Son): http://www.jamesjames.co.uk/ -- noted for acquisition of Scholte's business and later advocacy of fusing, now nicely housed in Davies with its more traditional methods

    Richard James: http://www.richardjames.co.uk/ -- a leader of the "new" Savile Row, jazzy fashions, RJMan can comment

    Johns & Pegg: (incorporated into Davies & Son): http://www.daviesandsonsavilerow.com/ -- longstanding and noted military tailors; Scholte was a cutter there!

    Kilgour: http://www.8savilerow.com/ and its new site at www.kilgour.eu/ -- a strong pedigree yet the former Kilgour, French & Stanbury can be quite contemporary and international in approach with a modest approach to shape

    Thomas Mahon: http:// www.ThomasMahon.co.uk -- former Anderson & Sheppard staffer now based in Cumbria and tailoring stylishly on his own; his blog (http://www.englishcut.com/) has given him a voice -- and us some insights -- on the Row and its denizens

    Manning & Manning: http://www.manning-and-manning.com/ -- won an Emmy for costume design; historically very flexible in approach; has moved more and more to made-to-measure

    Norton & Sons: http://www.nortonandsons.co.uk/ -- dates back to the early nineteenth century, classic English country look, but recently sold and now under new ownership

    John Pearse: http://www.johnpearse.co.uk/ -- Soho-based, avant garde (at least to my eye)

    Henry Poole: http://www.henrypoole.com/ -- virtually synonomous with Savile Row, now celebrating its 200th anniversary: classic timeless quality

    Mark Powell: http://www.markpowellbespoke.co.uk/flash/index.htm -- a bit eccentric with a touch of the East End in his styling, lots of film folks among the clientele

    David Reeves: http://www.davidreevesbespoke.com -- Mr Reeves describes is background thus: "Now based mainly in NYC but with regular trips back to London I offer a complete Bespoke tailoring service for Men and Women. I have formerly worked directly under Mr Andrew Goldberg (Gieves and Hawkes head of Bespoke), Mr Richard James and Mr Timothy Everest. I am now looking to build my own reputation. Favouring a sharp, English silhouette and luxurious cloths I like stylish Bespoke which is on the knife edge between the classic and the contemporary. I pride myself on being open to working with the clients vision and not just my own. The three piece suit is my signature." He is a member of this Forum.

    Maurice Sedwell: http://www.savilerowtailor.com/ -- the well-regarded Andrew Ramroop presides over this house still making well-bred suits and quality garments with a keen attention to detail but willing to be quite adventurous in terms of look and style

    Stowers Bespoke: www.stowersbespoke.co.uk Gieves and Hawkes veteran Ray Stowers has set up shop along with Gieves and Huntsman vets Brian Pusey and Brian Jeffery in James Levett's old premises.

    Wells (incorporated into Davies & Son): http://www.daviesandsonsavilerow.com/ -- once one of the Row's biggest tailoring houses; now a nice fit at Davies

    Welsh & Jefferies: http://www.welshandjefferies.com/ Highly regarded maker of the Prince of Wales' military uniforms, soon to celebrate its 100th anniversary, rather traditional in approach and look, incorporates the venerable Leslie & Roberts, who had dressed Rudolph Valentino, Clark Gable, Cary Cooper, and Bing Crosby.

    thanks to:
    http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/f...es-amp-Reviews
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    The deal was 2 suits MTM, 2 shirts MTM and 2 ties for £1000.

    Realistically, that's pretty good value because I have a waist which is quite narrow compared to my shoulders and I have long arms, so off the rack stuff has to be quite heavily cut, and often have the sleeves lengthened which just adds to the price.

    Also I knew it was MTM and not bespoke.

    Just got the shirts and they're very good. Never owned shirts which fit me so well. The suits weren't perfect but obviously that's the point of this fitting.

    Will post again when I get the final product.
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    (Original post by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz)
    had a look at them and quite liked them but again the shoulders don't fit when i get 36s and boss don't do smaller i don't think (unless it was just the shops i went to......)
    Ask for the Hugo suits, they're much better than the regular ones if you have a slim body.
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    (Original post by loading)
    Ask for the Hugo suits, they're much better than the regular ones if you have a slim body.
    ah right ok, so will they do 34s?
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    (Original post by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz)
    ah right ok, so will they do 34s?
    I don't think so, but the Hugo suits are a bit slimmer so a 36 might fit ok. If it doesn't then you probs have to go MTM or bespoke.
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    Where to buy good suit socks, and what brands?
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    At entry, cool socks is your lowest concern and much more of a gamble than you should take.
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    (Original post by President_Ben)
    At entry, cool socks is your lowest concern and much more of a gamble than you should take.
    So, where to buy good/appropriate (in your opinion) suit socks, and what brands, prices, etc.?
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    (Original post by MaxMaxMax)
    So, where to buy good/appropriate (in your opinion) suit socks, and what brands, prices, etc.?
    Erm surely any socks that are fitting with the suit e.g. black or dark grey, such as the packs of 7 that they sell in M&S for £10 will do.

    I really hope I never get to the point where I think I have to buy designer socks.....
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    This thread is hilarious. The gold star goes to the guy who was asking about glasses vs. contacts, absolute legend.
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    Actually, designer socks is a bit of a thing. Bright vivid colours and patterns stuff. But really, that's not an analyst wardrobe issue.
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    (Original post by Johan C)
    This thread is hilarious. The gold star goes to the guy who was asking about glasses vs. contacts, absolute legend.
    Yep...I forwarded that round the office...couple of the partners suggested we should get him in for an interview.
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    (Original post by Samoan)
    Yep...I forwarded that round the office...couple of the partners suggested we should get him in for an interview.
    Does that not draw too much attention to the fact you're mucking about on forums ? If you're in IBD at least.
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    (Original post by President_Ben)
    Actually, designer socks is a bit of a thing. Bright vivid colours and patterns stuff. But really, that's not an analyst wardrobe issue.
    Fair enough if you want something with vivid patterns etc

    What I meant was I hope I never get to the point of needing plain socks and thinking the only socks I could possibly buy are branded!
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    Point taken.

    And everyone has downtime in their work. It's an accepted and pleasant part of finance. Especially if your role is much more 'firefighting'.

    Hardly demands much attention to laugh and banter on here. Cracked.com, failbook, fml, textsfromlastnight etc.

    All very popular where I was. I can still see a number of people who are at work in banks online in fb chat too.
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    (Original post by President_Ben)
    Point taken.

    And everyone has downtime in their work. It's an accepted and pleasant part of finance. Especially if your role is much more 'firefighting'.

    Hardly demands much attention to laugh and banter on here. Cracked.com, failbook, fml, textsfromlastnight etc.

    All very popular where I was. I can still see a number of people who are at work in banks online in fb chat too.
    Indeed it seems quite acceptable in finance, especially in markets. Can't stand the chats usually, but I'm going to check out textsfromlastnight. Failbook never fails to crack me up.
 
 
 
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