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    Discuss. I loathe it and think that there is far too much Scottish communitarian influence on English politics.
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    Isn't communitarianism the same as collectivism?

    New Labour is collectivist; Fabian collectivist, I should say.
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    New Labour is not averse to communtarianism in any way, and neither are some powerful organisations who are pally with the EU.
    It is a real concern.
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    I'd argue that actually New Labour is fundamentally opposed to Communitarianism, valuing the individualist conception of the good over that of communities and aiming for progressive social policy that undercuts the familial and conservative social roots of the Communitarian movement.

    Unless you are confusing Communitarianism with something else, which seems likely.
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    (Original post by smalltownboy)
    I'd argue that actually New Labour is fundamentally opposed to Communitarianism, valuing the individualist conception of the good over that of communities and aiming for progressive social policy that undercuts the familial and conservative social roots of the Communitarian movement.

    Unless you are confusing Communitarianism with something else, which seems likely.
    Unercutting familial roots isn't incompatible with communitarianism, Tories were into the nuclear family and not much else. I'd argue they still do support communitarianism ethics, just not at family level. They still want everybody watched over.
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    (Original post by Chillaxer)
    Unercutting familial roots isn't incompatible with communitarianism, Tories were into the nuclear family and not much else. I'd argue they still do support communitarianism ethics, just not at family level. They still want everybody watched over.
    Communitarianism doesn't equal collectivism, nor communism, nor anything like that. Nor is it officially a political theory. It's a series of reactions to Rawlsian and Nozickean individualism, claiming that the formers political theory focused on the Kantian proviso of treating people as ends in themselves (rather than as means to an end), as opposed to the communitarian belief that peoples ends and goals are linked to their community, and are not devised by themselves.

    With regards to it being "evil", i'm not sure. There are arguments, especially Amy Guttman's famous argument that Communitarianism tries to create a Salem-style society without the witch-burning. However, I think relying on communitarian conceptions of the good, while potentially being more "stable" for a society, leave out the distinct desires of certain minorities, as well as those who simply don't want to follow everyone else. I'd argue that Rawlsian liberalism is a more fair, and just way to order an ideal society, however Communitarianism does has its values in certain aspects of political theory.
 
 
 
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