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    Says the Metropolitan Black police association (where the most senior corrupt cop in 30 years made his name). Surprise surprise!



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8506098.stm
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    i find the segregation of police officers (black association etc) only add to this problem
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    :ditto:
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    (Original post by Fusion)
    Says the Metropolitan Black police association (where the most senior corrupt cop in 30 years made his name). Surprise surprise!



    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8506098.stm
    Pfft, when a former/current commissioner says there is a problem with institutional racism in the police, they're institutionally racist.
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    What I have found really perturbing about this whole thing is that the corrupt cop who was the head of the Met. Black Police Association wasn't actually black, he was from Iranian lineage (IIRC). :confused:

    I was left most confused reading my Evening Standard I must say.
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    (Original post by DannyBoy123)
    What I have found really perturbing about this whole thing is that the corrupt cop who was the head of the Met. Black Police Association wasn't actually black, he was from Iranian lineage (IIRC). :confused:
    His 'victim' would qualify as a member of the BPA - wouldn't that make him a racist?
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    What a stupid thing to come out with, in light of this case and the obvious public view.
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    Well you guys are silly.... it's obvious that the Met have been trying to get rid of the Dizaei (the ex-commander who was jailed) for a lonnng time. They've finally succeeded after many allegations have been put against him. In fact, they've succeeded in getting rid of top Asian and black police officers before. Just take it as fact that we'll never have a black or Asian person at the highest rank of the Met police.

    Meanwhile, a white police chief was in charge during the illegal shootings of Menezes and 2 guys who in a 'so-called' terror raid. He took his bloody time to resign and wasn't really forced to depart from the job. Never mind being jailed for letting such things occur.

    Trust in the police (as a Muslim Asian male in my late late teens) is something that I find hard to grasp at this moment in time.

    (All points portrayed in this post are solely the view of Qaz25 )
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    More concerning is the massively higher number of black people it searches than white - that's the racist thing.
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    (Original post by sadder)
    More concerning is the massively higher number of black people it searches than white - that's the racist thing.
    Statistically black people commit more crimes, and are more likely to carry weapons like knives and carry drugs.

    Also isn't it racist that the BPA keep making the police hire more and more black policeman? Isn't that racist against white people? There doesn't need to be a black police association as it only leads to positive discrimination.
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    That corrupt embarrassment to the Police Force used the race card to get where he was, he was widely hated by his fellow police officers and there were apparently cheers when news broke of his imprisonment.

    There is institutional racism in the Met, having association's for black officers only, having a certain percentage of officers having to be of an ethnic minority and taking race into account when considering promotions etc. "Positive" Discrimination, gotta love the double standards.

    He was corrupt as anything, and a effing scumbag, it is a good day for the Met and London.

    And no, the Met isn't institutionally racist like the BPA claims, if anything the BPA is the root of racism.
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    Why is there even a Black Coppers Association? And why is the president of it not black? :lolwut:
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    (Original post by You-Rock-My-World)
    Statistically black people commit more crimes, and are more likely to carry weapons like knives and carry drugs.

    Also isn't it racist that the BPA keep making the police hire more and more black policeman? Isn't that racist against white people? There doesn't need to be a black police association as it only leads to positive discrimination.
    The problem with too many stop and searches on black people is that many individuals who are innocent get stop and searched regularly and this can cause anger and resentment from those innocent black individuals to the police so that they are less likely or willing to want to co-operate with the police if they are a witness of anything or need to report something.

    The met try to hire more ethnic minorities because the present numbers are not representative of the population and so they try to match that. I don't see in any problem with that. It's not racist when you're trying to get each race represented fairly.

    However, they will have difficulty attrracting black police officers because there is a general tone of alienation towards the police because sometimes they feel unfairly victimised/intimidated by white people because of their own negative experiences. Maybe they were a victim of crime and they didnt feel the police took them seriously enough (Stephen Lawrence case is an extreme but prime example of where institutionalised racism led to injustice) or maybe it was that they keep getting stopped and searched when they are genuinely innocent.

    Whether this sits comfortably with you lot or not, it would do the country a big favour if there were a few more black police officers especially when working with black communities/individuals with problems. Barriers of communication are much more likely to break and trust issues are much more likely to reduce if you have more black people working within the black community.

    I wouldnt like to be in the police. I've heard how hard it can be working in the police for people of my origin. I'd rather not put myself through it; I bet being a policewoman alone would come with it's huge stresses.
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    Everyone railing against the 'racism' of having an association for black officers...you do know that white people can join, right? It's not a 'blacks-only' club, it's an association to advance the prospects of officers from ethnic minorities, which I don't think anyone would argue are entirely equal right now.

    According to Home Office findings, the number of police offers from ethnic minorities does not reflect their ethnic origin as a proportion of the economically active population. Ethnic minority officers are less likely to be offered employment, are twice as likely to resign, and three times more likely to be sacked.

    Ethnic minorities also take longer to be promoted (promotion is on average twice as slow), are less likely to have experience in a specialised area of policing, and although Asian officers are likely to be better educated and qualified than their white colleagues, are slower to progress through the ranks.

    No...the police force isn't institutionally racist at all.

    http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/prgpdfs/fprs107.pdf
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    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    The problem with too many stop and searches on black people is that many individuals who are innocent get stop and searched regularly and this can cause anger and resentment from those innocent black individuals to the police so that they are less likely or willing to want to co-operate with the police if they are a witness of anything or need to report something.

    The met try to hire more ethnic minorities because the present numbers are not representative of the population and so they try to match that. I don't see in any problem with that. It's not racist when you're trying to get each race represented fairly.

    However, they will have difficulty attrracting black police officers because there is a general tone of alienation towards the police because sometimes they feel unfairly victimised/intimidated by white people because of their own negative experiences. Maybe they were a victim of crime and they didnt feel the police took them seriously enough (Stephen Lawrence case is an extreme but prime example of where institutionalised racism led to injustice) or maybe it was that they keep getting stopped and searched when they are genuinely innocent.

    Whether this sits comfortably with you lot or not, it would do the country a big favour if there were a few more black police officers especially when working with black communities/individuals with problems. Barriers of communication are much more likely to break and trust issues are much more likely to reduce if you have more black people working within the black community.

    I wouldnt like to be in the police. I've heard how hard it can be working in the police for people of my origin. I'd rather not put myself through it; I bet being a policewoman alone would come with it's huge stresses.
    Tbh that is just nonsense. The law isn't here to represent races and neither are the upholders of the law. Positive discrimination is racism under another guise and creates an almighty amount of anger in any sane person.

    White people are not inherently racism, just as black people, asian people and mixed race people are not. So saying the police force is racist because it has more white men smacks of ignorance and something very close to racism itself.
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    Accusations are one thing, solid proof is another.
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    The black police association is racist. They divide on ground of colour, and see themselves as different. Why not just be part of a police association for all officers?

    Anyway a corrupt cop is behind bars, if that is racist then the world has gone mad. He should have gotten a hell of a lot longer. Also should have been prosecuted for misfeasance in a public office for good measure.
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    (Original post by meskell)
    Tbh that is just nonsense. The law isn't here to represent races and neither are the upholders of the law. Positive discrimination is racism under another guise and creates an almighty amount of anger in any sane person.

    White people are not inherently racism racist, just as black people, asian people and mixed race people are not. So saying the police force is racist because it has more white men smacks of ignorance and something very close to racism itself.
    I didnt say the police force was racist because they havent yet acheived a representative balance but I do feel that they should be better balanced. I feel that having an "all white" police force will not be helpful for the reasons I explained previously. Mainly because they may not be aware/sympathetic of culturally specific problems within certain communities, which could bring about barriers to solving crimes/gaining evidence or changing their attitudes.

    However, the way they have dealt with certain crimes suggests that they are institutionally racist in parts.

    Also The_red_wedge has decribed how ethnic people in the police force have not been treated equally in terms of opportunity and promotion (i.e better qualified/experienced asians). That's also institutional racism and evidence that positive discrimination isn't happening, but rather that ethnic people are being overlooked despite their abilities.

    The met also serves to represent women in numbers reflecting the population. Are you going to say that that's sexism then? You took that quote out of context and completely dismiss what I wrote below that as an explanation. You DO need to represent each group, be it by ethnicity or sex. The person who posted directly under my post has explained with even more eloquence exactly the same. You are indeed ingnorant yourself if you don't understand why you do need to have a balance when investigating certain communities.
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    (Original post by DannyBoy123)
    What I have found really perturbing about this whole thing is that the corrupt cop who was the head of the Met. Black Police Association wasn't actually black, he was from Iranian lineage (IIRC). :confused:

    I was left most confused reading my Evening Standard I must say.
    When dealing with an insititution as racist and f'd up as the Met. Police it's best to have anybody who isn't white in the same group, cos as far as ethnics in the police go: "united we stand, divided we fall" etc. etc.
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    There should be no need for an association supporting blacks. It should be abolished, why should black people have extra representation? :s
 
 
 
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