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    (Original post by py0alb)
    That wasn't what I said, but ok, why not.

    Hobbes. Adam Smith. Rousseau. Nietzche.
    sorry, i have actually done what i hate most and not answered the question :p:

    I suppose you have named some right wing intellectuals...

    Anyways, in answer to your original question, those who are more inclined to preserving and promoting equality do tend to be more intelligent and capable. Can't really say intellectual..

    On a party-by-party basis, the average (childhood) IQ scores for 2001 voters were:

    Green - 108.3

    Liberal Democrat - 108.2

    Conservative - 103.7

    Labour – 103

    Plaid Cymru - 102.5


    Scottish National - 102.2

    UK Independence - 101.1

    British National - 98.4


    Did not vote/None of the above - 99.7
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/b...beraldemocrats
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    Depends. The question's far too simplistic.
    I'd rather live in a fascist state than an authoritarian socialist one.
    But I'd rather live in a liberal socialist state than a fascist/strongly conservative one.
    Then again, a libertarian state would be strongly preferable to any form of the left-wing (&, in my opinion, anarcho-capitalism would easily beat them both anyway).

    (Original post by Samrout)
    Name me a right wing intellectual
    Ezra Pound, Plato, T.S.Eliot, John Locke, Heidegger, Gerhart Hauptmann, Edmund Burke, Murray Rothbard and a vast amount of other economists, philosophers, poets, novellists, physicists etc etc

    Because people who believe in a dog-eat-dog capitalist world want nothing but inequality. Those people are otherwise known as dumb-asses.
    lol
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    Anyways, in answer to your original question, those who are more inclined to preserving and promoting equality do tend to be more intelligent and capable. Can't really say intellectual..
    I don't think you should follow IQ tests. In Norway we did the same test. The party with the highest IQ was an extrermly liberal party, who think we should have no government. In third place we had a socialist party. You would have a hard time finding intellectuals who support their politics, still they had the highest IQ.

    First, high IQ doesn't mean that they understand politics well. Second, most people don't understand how the economy works or politics. Hence it doesn't really matter if they are somewhat more inteligent. They still don't understand how the economy works.

    Hence, IQ is not a very good way to check who has the best politics. Actually, it could be dangerous, because they are inteligent enough to care, but not inteligent enough to understand what is needed for the economy.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    How can people who believe in socialism be intelligent, when socialism has failed at every attempt?
    The NHS hasn't exactly failed, yet is based on socialist principles.
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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    The NHS hasn't exactly failed, yet is based on socialist principles.
    Spot on.
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    The terms left and right wing are such utter ********. I mean I'm very right wing but I wouldn't consider myself "right wing" if you catch my drift. Not in the way that people describe the Tories or the BNP as right-wing.
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    left and right - define.
    libertarian socialist is a possibility, or authoritarian free market.

    IMO free market libertarian system with some public services e.g. army, benefits for disabled and police etc, with a strict isolationist foreign policy so we can trade freely with anyone, not relying on europe and not being forced to accept endless, measureless immigrants/ foreign changes to our law, would be ideal for both our expansion as an economy and a power, and for the freedom of everyone living here.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Both are fairly useless as they are obsessed with maintaining the centre ground. Centrism is the biggest fail ever.

    If we had real left wing and right wing parties, think Socialist Party of England and Wales and LPUK, I would definitely opt for the former.
    LPUK is a socially left wing party. Only economically and property-rights wise are they right wing.
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    Centrism's the way to go.
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    Name me a right wing intellectual
    Milton Friedman, the greatest economist that has ever lived and by the way the majority of econmists are capitalists so your arguement doesn't stack up.
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    The left wing in this country,however marginalised and scattered they are, really need a big Conservative win at the general election.
    It would force a major unification against the incoming Tory Government,againt the right in general and jumpstart the progressive movement.
    Something very much needed.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Right wing
    The introduction of capitalism is directly linked to growth in GDP and GDP is a very good meaure of the quality of life the people in that country.
    hahahahahahaha...

    Oh. You were serious. GDP is a *terrible* measure of the quality of life. You're thinking of GDP per capita (a rather different measure). GDP per capita is still a rather poor index, in that it assumes a relatively equitable distribution of income. You should be more interested in a balance of GDP and the Gini coefficient, which measures income inequality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_co..._of_inequality

    Median per capita income would be marginally better as a measure of the income of a typical citizen, in that it isn't swayed by disproportionately high incomes. Moreover, income in monetary terms doesn't necessarily reflect spending power, which can vary enormously. There are a huge range of factors that influence quality of life. Quality of life is incredibly difficult to measure. About the only thing that can be said is that GDP is absolutely not a "very good measure of the quality of life."
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    But surely people forget that there is barely a mainstream left-wing party left in the UK. The new 'Labour' party isn't leftist - it's centrist, with right-leaning tendancies on both authoritarian and economic scales. The Conservative Party's policies are barely any different, just with less authoritarian leanings, and more free-market leanings. The Lib Dems, too, lean much further right than they do left. The closest thing to a mainstream 'left' party we have is the Green Party, but their party message is so specific, it alienates mainstream leftist voters, and the fringe leftist voters.

    Whereas the right-wing have an array of parties including not only those previously mentioned, but also parties such as the UKIP, and even further right-leaning parties.

    If we were to take the current voting statistics as evidence, the country leans massively to the right. But the problem that has surely always troubled the left is that it is splintered too heavily. If the left were as united as the right, the country would surely be more left-run, with leftist parties introducing things such as the NHS which are now proud parts of British life. But until this day, I fear we will be more of a right-wing nation.
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    Neither. Attachment to a particular political ideology tends to lead to enormous amounts of fail, and tends to blind people to the many failing both approaches have. We need politicians to focus on actual evidence, not on ideology.
    Couldn't agree more
 
 
 
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