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    Communist states have murdered just as many people as fascist states (if not more), sometimes on discriminatory grounds (like the Third Reich), yet it isn't as looked down upon as much as fascism?

    Yes, I know self-styled communist states weren't truly communist, in some respects, yet I am referring the public reaction of the term/belief. Let's be honest, a lot of people call groups "fascist scum" without knowing much about the political ideology.

    I mean, if a student stood in a university area with communist flags (which happens) and pictures of Stalin, Mao, etc. he may receive a few rolling eyes, but the reaction would be nowhere near as severe as if a student stood in a university area with fascist flags and pictures of Hitler and Mussolini.

    Do you think I am right in this judgement? If so, why do you think this is? Because we directly opposed fascism in WWII, perhaps?

    Obligatory disclaimer: I am not fascist, before I get the "lol ur facizt u nazi!11!" comment.
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    I'm gonna guess its due to the act that there is a far greater cultural awareness of Hitler and the Nazis, in the UK at least then any of the other figures mentioned. People are less aware of the full and continually debated extent of transgressions which took place under self proclaimed communist regimes in China and the USSR. This also probably ties in to a degree with your assertion about WW2; people have been pretty much consistently told that the Nazis were an awful bunch of genocidal warmongering nutters, whereas our relations with the USSR for instance were first based on alliance which then subsequently soured. Also the fascists don't exactly have anyone who could be viewed as even slightly credibly trying to defend their legacies, while the majority of their acts have been discovered and documented. In the case of China and the former USSR the current governments continue to try and downplay the actions of their predeccesors for a variety of reasons, and this means that their simply hasn't been a comparable release of information for wider scrutiny as in the case of fascism.

    So basically to summarise: fascist states; lots of information, no successor states = widespread knowledge and repugnance
    communist states; dearth of official records and active suppression of information, plus successor states = greater continued disparity in analysis.
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    Because the ideology is at least positive for all, i.e. non-discriminatory.
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    you obviously haven't been to america
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    The third reich was a fascist state.

    People get called 'dirty commies' etc all the time, so I think in many ways communism is stigmatised some as well. It is also important to note that communism as a belief has a benevolent aim - i.e., to help the little guy. It is therefore much easier to glorify it.

    The fact that we were directly opposed to fascim in WW2 also probably has something to do with it, as you mention. If we had gone to war with the USSR then things would probably be different, maybe...
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    Why don't you compare "Mein Kampf" with "The Communist Manifesto" ? It'll tell you the answer.

    There's a difference between ideology and practice. Be careful not to generalize everything.
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    Well, I would say, it is because communism has also some very good points in it, exspecially if you are considering the time it was invented. (Child labour, the bad position of workers, kings & emperors, no human rights, hardly any social welfare) Actually communist (should) have a pacifistic view and try to connect with people of other nations. (I won't deney the revolutionary aspect and the danger for people in high position in the "Kommunistische Manifest", but looking e.g. at German history it was Karl Liebknecht, who opposed to support the Great War. )
    Facism and Nazism just don't have any positive aspects. You can't be a Nazi without the wish to kill, but you can be a Communist with the wish to unite people. Communism is also very wide spread and has the same origins as Labour. In our days it is mainly used for the extreme left. You also have to differ between Marxism, Maoism, Stalinism, Leninism, Socialism...

    But in some regions I think, people of the extreme right get a lot more support than communists. It is often quite popular to talk negatively about immigrants, too.
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    (Original post by rich2606)
    you obviously haven't been to america
    Ha, very goood point.

    I think it's to do with the fact that the tradegys caused by facist leaders are more well known, like Hitlers holocaust. Whereas dictators using communism as their aim, for example Stalin are less known (to most people) because the ethnic cleansing etc that they did, wasn't so 'close to home' and less known to most people.

    I also think when I see someone with a facist view that they are completely mad. Whereas with communism it's a bit silly to be honest, because it's virtually unachievable.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    Because the ideology is at least positive for all, i.e. non-discriminatory.
    Unless you're rich or oppose any policy, drilled-in opinion or propaganda.

    Oh, and in the case of Stalin, Jewish.
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    It's quite simple, liberal-leftist media bias.
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    In America, Communism is just as despised as Facism.

    Have you ever watched 'Fox News'?
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    because true communism would be a utopia

    and we don't stigmatise marxism-leninism because we never went to war with the ussr
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    How isn't it? You commie bast is just as mich an insult as yo facist pig, and the former is perhaps used more often.
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    because communism didn't discriminate who they killed :yep:
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    (Original post by Jono.B)
    It's quite simple, liberal-leftist media bias.
    lol, good to see people still falling for this myth.
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    (Original post by passenger17a)
    Why don't you compare "Mein Kampf" with "The Communist Manifesto" ? It'll tell you the answer.

    There's a difference between ideology and practice. Be careful not to generalize everything.
    Facism doesn't equal racial supremecy, it did in the case of Hitler and Mein Kampf. Communism doesn't equal Marxism, it did in the case of the Communist Manifesto and Karl Marx. The Iranian government are facists, yet don't really have that much in common with the views set out in Mein Kampf.

    fascism - a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)
    Pretty similar to most forms of communism eh?

    Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology and a corporatist economic ideology
    Communism is a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled, as well as a political philosophy and social movement that advocates and aims to create such a society.[
    That could be Marxism - as explained in the Communist Manifesto, but it doesn't have to be. Think Trotskyism, Stalinism, Maoism, Luxemburgism, Christian Communism and so on...
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    Unless you're rich or oppose any policy, drilled-in opinion or propaganda.

    Oh, and in the case of Stalin, Jewish.
    Stalin being an anti-Semitic murderer really has very little to do with Communist ideology. Hitler being an anti-Semitic murderer has everything to do with national socialist or fascist ideology. There's a huge difference here.
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    We have to look at how there was a Communist uprising in Weimar Germany prior to the Beer Hall putsch where Hitler made a name for himself. The german army quashed that. The huge difference is that a Communist system very rarely works in the west.

    But the true answer to your question is that it is stigmatised as much, just much more left parties, let's say the Green Party aren't as big as the BNP are. Neither are Communist or Fascist just extreme left and right (respectably). However much you'll disagree with this, the BNP are quite central in comparison to Hitler's Nazis, and the Greens equally central to the USSR as it ended up under commie rule.

    It seems strange to see the fascists more persecuted than communists but really they are equal in persecution just with extremely different ideology.
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    because communism didn't discriminate who they killed :yep:
    :lolwut: Pol Pot targetted intellectuals and educated people, Stalin the Intelligentsia, Mongolians

    The Soviet government during Stalin's rule conducted a series of deportations on an enormous scale which significantly affected the ethnic map of the USSR. People from the following ethnic groups were forcibly resettled for various reasons: Volga Germans, Poles, Balts, Crimean Tatars, Kalmyks, Koreans, Chechens, Ingush, Balkars
    According to The Black Book of Communism, the Chinese Communists carried out a cultural genocide against the Tibetans. Jean-Louis Margolin states that the killings were proportionally larger in Tibet than China proper, and that "one can legitimately speak of genocidal massacres because of the numbers involved."[144] According to the Dalai Lama and the Central Tibetan Administration, "Tibetans were not only shot, but also were beaten to death, crucified, burned alive, drowned, mutilated, starved, strangled, hanged, boiled alive, buried alive, drawn and quartered, and beheaded
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    (Original post by Moe Lester)
    :lolwut: Pol Pot targetted intellectuals and educated people, Stalin the Intelligentsia, Mongolians
    ahem *points to sig*
 
 
 
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