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Seconday virginity/born again virgins - wtf???

apparantly in america, bush is imposing the teaching of abstinance instead of sex ed, and keeping virginity is the new rage, with cults like 'true love waits' and 'love matters'.

i read a site saying that many peaople have premaritial sex all over the shop, then when they find their partner to marry, they abstain for a few weeks or months before the marriage to amke them virgin again. in the us, if you have abstained for a while eg 6 months, you automatically can be considered a born again virgin.

if you have lost your virginity, i think true love waits gives you a card, badge and t shirt when, for $5 per time, you become a secondary virgin. there is no limit to how often you can do this.many do this just so they can tell their bf/hubby that they are a virgin.

a secondary virgin is someone who has had sex, but now wants to wait until marriage.

isnt someone who has already had full sex already not a virgin?
is it me, or is this whole thing ironic and stupid?

80% of people break the pledge, and when they do they are 3x more likely not to use protection.

what do you think? anyone here a born again virgin?

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missjelly
apparantly in america, bush is imposing the teaching of abstinance instead of sex ed, and keeping virginity is the new rage, with cults like 'true love waits' and 'love matters'.

i read a site saying that many peaople have premaritial sex all over the shop, then when they find their partner to marry, they abstain for a few weeks or months before the marriage to amke them virgin again. in the us, if you have abstained for a while eg 6 months, you automatically can be considered a born again virgin.

if you have lost your virginity, i think true love waits gives you a card, badge and t shirt when, for $5 per time, you become a secondary virgin. there is no limit to how often you can do this.many do this just so they can tell their bf/hubby that they are a virgin.

a secondary virgin is someone who has had sex, but now wants to wait until marriage.

isnt someone who has already had full sex already not a virgin?
is it me, or is this whole thing ironic and stupid?

80% of people break the pledge, and when they do they are 3x more likely not to use protection.

what do you think? anyone here a born again virgin?


I think its stupid but thats my opinion...it can matter to someone but I dont think they should join a 'cult' and pay $5 to say they are a 'born again virgin' all they are doing is raking in the cash from selling those little rings etc and making a profit on naive people who decided to join.... xoxo
anyone here a born again virgin?


yes, but not out of choice, he's gone home for the summer :frown:
Sounds like a lot of fuss and a lot of effort.
Reply 4
Less fuss than getting your hymen reconstructed. And yes, that can be done.
I'm a virgin, but if someone didn't like me because of the choices *I* made (i.e. sleeping with someone before marriage), then as far as I'm concerned, that's it. I wouldn't want to stay with someone who would think me "dirty" for my life choices.
Reply 6
Well, of course once you have "full sex" you arn't and never will be a virgin again.. but I think what they mean here is spiritual virginity, thus not being a virgin, then trying to somehow "make things right" by waiting to have sex again until marriage.. There isn't a timetable for spiritual virginity, like that "6 months" thing you were talking about, as far as I'm aware..

So basically: no, that person will never be a physical virgin again, but I guess if you want you can become a spiritual virgin, regretting what you've done, and by that mean KNOWING it was wrong, not just "wow i hate him/her now, i regret it!" and deciding not to have sex with the person you're going to marry until you're actually married.

Make sense kinda? :confused:
Reply 7
missjelly
isnt someone who has already had full sex already not a virgin?
is it me, or is this whole thing ironic and stupid?


No, it's not you! I can't believe the rubbish that people come up with sometimes. Still, someone's making a lot of cash out of it...
Reply 8
Its just like the song "its a free ride when i already paid" , senseless.. really senseless
Reply 9
i totally agree peops! the idea you can reclaim your virginity for $5 is ridiculous. isnt the whole point of virginity that once its gone, its gone?if you could have say 15 first times, whats the point?

yes you can have the hymen reconstructed- a procedure invented by a dutch surgeon, and you can use a fake blood capsule to recreate the real virgin experience.its called 'revirginization'. google it for more info!

i can understand it for eg the taliban and afghan culture where women can get buried up to the neck in sand then stoned to death if they are un-virgin at marriage, but not for the US- didnt it hurt enough the FIRST first time?

i'm catholic and i wanted to wait for marriage but in all of my relationships so far (2) the strain of this has been too much. most boys seem to want to sleep before marriage. and i definately want to be married so i can have kids. so my plan is to wait until im 25,and if im still not married, i'd sleep with the next relationship i had.it seems many boys are not willing to marry someone they had not slept with- sexual compatibility and all that.
missjelly
i'm catholic and i wanted to wait for marriage but in all of my relationships so far (2) the strain of this has been too much. most boys seem to want to sleep before marriage. and i definately want to be married so i can have kids. so my plan is to wait until im 25,and if im still not married, i'd sleep with the next relationship i had.it seems many boys are not willing to marry someone they had not slept with- sexual compatibility and all that.


yeah I'm catholic too and sometimes its hard yanno with fellas keepin them in check lol - but the relationships ive had havent resulted in sex luckily or any sexual activities and they seem not to mind cause usually they are the same age as me (around 17/18) and they find its ok with my decision - also sometimes I'm too mature for them and well poof there goes the relationship (cause of my chasitity) but i dont mind if they wanna be like that they can find another girl who can fulfil that for them xoxo
Reply 11
It is more of a moral issue to be honest for people that regret losing it when they were so young, but the idea of it is an absolute bunch of poo

Eugene.
Reply 12
missjelly
i totally agree peops! the idea you can reclaim your virginity for $5 is ridiculous.


Well "reclaiming your virginity" is a mind/spiritual thing and has NOTHING to do with any type of business. It's a personal thing. This whole "$5" doesn't get you anything but material goods (shirt/whatever) and these organizations are more to unite people with the same ideas/goals/etc..

Reclaiming your virginity(spiritual virginity) happens when you decide to do it, going to a seminar or something and paying $5 is helping fund the program.
Reply 13
Aren't we lucky we have Amanda to explaint he strange American ways! :p:

I think that's all well and good, but I've been on American forums before and the way teens are brought up over there has turned them into really judgemental people! One girl saying she's pregnant results in an outbreak- pages of people telling her she's betrayed God, or if you have sex before marriage you're betraying your future husband or something. I'm religious but as far as I'm aware the Bible says not to judge others, only God can judge. :rolleyes:
Reply 14
Amanda
Well "reclaiming your virginity" is a mind/spiritual thing and has NOTHING to do with any type of business. It's a personal thing. This whole "$5" doesn't get you anything but material goods (shirt/whatever) and these organizations are more to unite people with the same ideas/goals/etc..

Reclaiming your virginity(spiritual virginity) happens when you decide to do it, going to a seminar or something and paying $5 is helping fund the program.


in that case,i think they should call it 'spiritual purity' . the phrase 'secondary virginity is oxymoronic and ridiculous. you cannot relaim virginity. virginity is at the very least, the state of never having had vaginal intercourse.at most, it can include any form of body to genital contact. if you have, then you are not a virgin. no matter how many seminars, pledges, badges,t shirts. sure, they might make you pure of spirit and a good person, but they cannot make you a virgin again.

i think they should call it something else. after all, a man who marries a 'virtuous' 'good' 'pure' woman and has no sex with her until marriage as she says she is a virgin, then finds out on the wedding night that actually she has
had 15 previous partners, then decided to become virgin again, is ridiculous.

lol i also saw a site saying people who have not had sex are primary virgins but people who have had sex are secondary virgins.
Reply 15
Saffie
Aren't we lucky we have Amanda to explaint he strange American ways! :p:

I think that's all well and good, but I've been on American forums before and the way teens are brought up over there has turned them into really judgemental people! One girl saying she's pregnant results in an outbreak- pages of people telling her she's betrayed God, or if you have sex before marriage you're betraying your future husband or something. I'm religious but as far as I'm aware the Bible says not to judge others, only God can judge. :rolleyes:


sorry if i insulted you/anyone. i wasnt saying that people who have sex before marriage are bad people. i was saying i thought the notion that wearing a badge/t shirt/signing up for seminars/not having sex for 3 weeks could make you virgin again was ironic and a ridiculous concept. how can there be a virgin who has had sex with 100 people?

yes it cuts down on pregnancy, but i still think they should call it something else
Saffie
I'm religious but as far as I'm aware the Bible says not to judge others, only God can judge. :rolleyes:


hit it exactly saffie hunny after all remember the story about the woman who was getting stoned for committing adultery...Jesus told them God forgives her and God forgives everyone who repents.... so if the girl or fella repent they will be forgiven by God as God always loves you no matter how bad of situation you are in also the story of the tax collector he stole money from people and once again God forgave him for his acts xoxo
Reply 17
missjelly
no matter how many seminars, pledges, badges,t shirts. sure, they might make you pure of spirit and a good person, but they cannot make you a virgin again.


True, I've said it before: it's your own personal thing, these seminars just unite people with similar ideas. You can goto tons of events and stuff but will never be an actual virgin, but the people goto these things are generally religious, and they believe that there is a spiritual side to virginity as well.

missjelly
after all, a man who marries a 'virtuous' 'good' 'pure' woman and has no sex with her until marriage as she says she is a virgin, then finds out on the wedding night that actually she has
had 15 previous partners, then decided to become virgin again, is ridiculous.


I think it would be ridiculous for that to happen in any case, if you're going to do something as serious as marrying a person, I don't understand why anyone would lie about their "15" or so sexual partners.. she should be clear with her fiancee that she isn't an actual physical virgin, but rather a spiritual one.
Reply 18
missjelly
sorry if i insulted you/anyone. i wasnt saying that people who have sex before marriage are bad people. i was saying i thought the notion that wearing a badge/t shirt/signing up for seminars/not having sex for 3 weeks could make you virgin again was ironic and a ridiculous concept. how can there be a virgin who has had sex with 100 people?

yes it cuts down on pregnancy, but i still think they should call it something else
Yea I agree, the 'secondary virgin' title is a bit awkward, but they're Americans! :rolleyes: BTW I think American's are really cool in a very quirky way! :p:
Reply 19
Saffie
I think American's are really cool in a very quirky way! :p:


We're a tad crazy but it's all good in tha neighborhood. :biggrin: