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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    Erm because a lot of women hate the comments and feel very uncomfortable when being openly perved at? I'm sure this is easily enough for many women to feel like they can't wear exactly what they like.
    So? No one is stopping you from doing anything.
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    (Original post by Michelin Man)
    Wicked that's my life sorted! :rolleyes:

    You don't happen to support Arsenal as well do you? If you did I think I might be overcome by a fit of uncontrolable excitement!
    LOL I'm not so into football atm but when I was a bit younger I used to go to football training (har har) and I supported Arsenal and I even made a poster saying "Go Gunners!" hahaha :P
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    The daily fail article is flat out WRONG.


    If you actually look at the national statistics website, that's not per hour at all, that's the overall annual salary, if you look at it for women and men working full-time, the statistic shrinks from 22.6% to 12.6%
    12.6% sounds very reasonably considering women spend at least 10% of their working lives off looking after children. Interestingly enough, women who don't have kids and have degrees are paid about 127% of what a man is.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    I don't care why. I care that they are fighting against something using the same tactics as the thing they are fighting against - i.e. sexism. Favouring one sex over another will not make society a better equal place, it will make it more unequal than ever.
    If you don't care why, don't try arguing pointlessly against something.

    It's like you're saying that suffragettes were sexist because they didn't take men into consideration. :rolleyes:

    And as I said, sometimes positive discrimination is necessary.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    12.6% sounds very reasonably considering women spend at least 10% of their working lives off looking after children. Interestingly enough, women who don't have kids and have degrees are paid about 127% of what a man is.
    im assuming you got that last statistic out of the Warren the Farren books?

    oh yes, very reliable. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    So? No one is stopping you from doing anything.
    :facepalm:

    you're stupid.
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    (Original post by Libtolu)
    Either way the media tends to represent the views of the readers

    Also what do you think about the dual fitness standards for the military, police etc women don't have to be aa fit as men do you think this is fair in your opinion?
    That isn't necessarily true, actually. There are a certain set of codes and 'rules' that are generally upheld. But then again, I suppose it depends if you're of the opinion that the masses hold all the power in today's society, or the elite hold the power. I'm of the latter opinion, rather Marxist I suppose. That's the whole point of transgression and the reason it exists. These only tend to change if a MASSIVE amount of people are in uproar about them.

    In the last part, you seem to want me to say that those rules are fine, and paint me as one of those scary feminists. But no, I think women should face the same standards as men and vice-versa.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    link fail.

    i'm not being ridiculous. you wouldn't just employ women on the basis that they were cheaper. and employers do need to take into consideration the effect on the wider economy, otherwise capitalism would just fail completely.
    People employ just migrants on the basis that they are cheaper. When our country opened up to Poland we were inundated, and people employed them all over the place without regard to the wider economy, because they were cheaper for the same work, and this benefited their companies massively. So, why wouldn't a company seeking that competitive edge attempt to employ 80%+ women? You are afterall claiming that the pay gap between men and women is almost as large as that between the Polish and the British. The thing that made me laugh about your 22% figure is that it comes from comparing a female part time working average with the male full time average, and when you compare the female and male part time averages women are paid more:yes::rolleyes:.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    :facepalm:

    talk to me again when you know a little more about sociological issues. you've completely ignored what I said about women being socialised into certain roles in the workplace.

    Sorry i will apologise on behalf of all the people not doing a mickey mouse degree in sociology.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    :facepalm:

    you're stupid.
    No one is stopping them doing what they want. And even if they were for the completely unexplainable and illogical reason you are proporting, you'd have to stop them doing what they wanted. Which is fair? Let me guess. :rolleyes:

    Good game.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    im assuming you got that last statistic out of the Warren the Farren books?

    oh yes, very reliable.
    Of course they are reliable. They are written based on sound scientific and statistical evidence. Perhaps when you go into sit your a-levels you should just write 'because I say so' and see what marks you get.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    People like you and the OP are the reason women are still oppressed in today's society.

    / thread.
    Phew, well can you tell the feminists to stop blaming men then?



    Also I don't think you understand when it is appropriate to use '/thread' - it's very difficult to pull off without coming across as a massive throbbing *******.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    :facepalm:

    talk to me again when you know a little more about sociological issues. you've completely ignored what I said about women being socialised into certain roles in the workplace.
    Because I believe that people should have the right to choose and that we shouldn't shoehorn them into a career based on how we think society should look. We have female managers as well, I just think that from looking at what I've seen women are less confident about the jobs they'd be qualified for. My point is that it's not a problem of businesses being sexist, it's a problem of too many women not having the confidence to put themselves forward. Men are naturally more aggressive (ever seen the temper of athletes that abuse testosterone supplements?) so are more likely to have this confidence.

    For the record, I also know a guy who's a male nurse and gets mocked relentlessly by men and women, even at the hospital where he works. Discrimination goes both ways.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    If you don't care why, don't try arguing pointlessly against something.

    It's like you're saying that suffragettes were sexist because they didn't take men into consideration.

    And as I said, sometimes positive discrimination is necessary.
    Haha, you sound like Stalin. 'Sometimes a little persecution is neccessary', you'll be saying 'the first amongst equals' soon.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    People employ just migrants on the basis that they are cheaper. When our country opened up to Poland we were inundated, and people employed them all over the place without regard to the wider economy, because they were cheaper for the same work, and this benefited their companies massively. So, why wouldn't a company seeking that competitive edge attempt to employ 80%+ women? You are afterall claiming that the pay gap between men and women is almost as large as that between the Polish and the British. The thing that made me laugh about your 22% figure is that it comes from comparing a female part time working average with the male full time average, and when you compare the female and male part time averages women are paid more:yes::rolleyes:.
    That whole argument fails if you take into account that there are more british men in this country than immigrants. Therefore employing immigrants on the basis that they are cheaper is far less harmful for the economy than if we were to employ british men because they are cheaper. Of course, that isn't to say that it's acceptable to employ imigrants because they are cheaper, that's just exploitation.

    and no, my 22 per cent figure does not come from comparing a female part time working average with the male full time average. it's 22% EVEN WHEN THEY ARE IN THE SAME JOB, that's what I said, so don't twist my words.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    Haha, you sound like Stalin. 'Sometimes a little persecution is neccessary', you'll be saying 'the first amongst equals' soon.
    :rolleyes:

    Listen to what people are saying, feminists originally didnt take men's rights into account because it wasn't necessary. It was women being opressed, not men.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    im assuming you got that last statistic out of the Warren the Farren books?

    oh yes, very reliable. :rolleyes:
    You DO realise you quoted the daily mail as a source not 20 minutes ago?
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    (Original post by bananaslug77)
    LOL I'm not so into football atm but when I was a bit younger I used to go to football training (har har) and I supported Arsenal and I even made a poster saying "Go Gunners!" hahaha :P
    Are you saying that just to impress me now?

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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    So? No one is stopping you from doing anything.
    Just because you imagine you wouldn't have any problems with being perved over, it doesn't mean that everyone is the same. You don't know what it's like to have strangers harassing you from car windows and on the street, and ones treating you like you're nothing but a walking ass/pair of breasts (ones who don't even look you in the face when speaking to you, but keep their gaze at chest level - when you're not even wearing a top that's particularly revealing!) Plus, even when it hasn't stopped you from wearing what you like, the pervy guys still piss girls off.
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    Because I believe that people should have the right to choose and that we shouldn't shoehorn them into a career based on how we think society should look. We have female managers as well, I just think that from looking at what I've seen women are less confident about the jobs they'd be qualified for. My point is that it's not a problem of businesses being sexist, it's a problem of too many women not having the confidence to put themselves forward. Men are naturally more aggressive (ever seen the temper of athletes that abuse testosterone supplements?) so are more likely to have this confidence.

    For the record, I also know a guy who's a male nurse and gets mocked relentlessly by men and women, even at the hospital where he works. Discrimination goes both ways.
    Yes, but what you believe isn't what the rest of society believes, and capitalist society does not function on the idea of choice. Women are less confident about the jobs they'd be qualified for because they've been socialised i.e. taught to accept jobs that are in a lower position.
    The last sentence is completely ridiculous. Aggressiveness isn't going to make men more likely to have the confidence to go for higher jobs, its just that they've been taught to do so by the education system, their parents, etc.
 
 
 
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