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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    You aren't answering my question. You said there were no 'inherently male/female abilities or qualities', and I asked you to prove it. This doesn't prove anything.
    Are you seriously asking me to prove that there are women who are aggressive and men who are good with kids.

    Are you?

    Are you really?
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    yes, and the choices women make are due to socialisation into low-paid jobs which are inferior in status, as I have said 50 times already.

    if all women were employed because they were cheaper and all men unemployed, it would cause chaos in the economy. If that doesnt make sense to you, then I'm not going to bother to explain it further.
    Well, then you should spend your time telling women to make other choices. I personally believe many women make the right choice, because men often work too much and spends too little time with his family.

    I don't think you understand how the economy works. Let's say they are discriminated today, then companies would start employing women because they are cheaper, and it will give them an edge. This will make women more demanded and men less demanded. To get more females who are still cheaper they would give them a higher wage, and in the end the wage for women would be the same as men.

    You must remember that when they hire a female, then she would have left some other company, hence a job that a man can take. Probably for a lower wage, because they are less demanded.
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    At my university and at the others I applied for there are consistently more women than men. This is reflected at a national level, there are more women going to university than men. How do you conclude from that that women are being kept out of academia?

    However I'm doing an engineering course which is probably 80+% men, and it just so happens to be a degree that offeres very high paying jobs, so that's a part of the pay gap problem right there
    (Original post by http://www.howstuffworks.com/men.htm)
    But the influence of testosterone doesn't stop with a man's outward appearance. It also affects his brain. Researchers theorize that the same wave of testosterone that affects males in the womb also causes men's brains to be different from women's brains. Men and women are equally intelligent, and their brains are the same size compared to the rest of their bodies. But male and female brains have different proportions of gray and white matter. Men have more gray matter and less white matter than women do [Source: LiveScience].

    Gray matter contains the brain's processing centers, and white matter creates networks between areas of gray matter. In other words, men's brains have more areas in which to process data, and women's brains have more networks between processing centers. Some researchers believe this supports the common stereotype that men are better at science and math while women are better at language. It appears that men's brains are set up to process concrete data, while women's brains are wired for making connections.

    It seems men have a pretty massive advantage when it comes to doing scientific subjects.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    No, but it can be explained by the whole myriad of ways female employees are worth less to employers.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo160.html
    If a man and a woman did exactly the job, with exactly the same duties, hours and overtime worked, responsibilities, amount of holiday etc., and the woman did not become pregnant or have any children already, yet the man got paid more, would you think it was OK?

    Tbh I haven't read your link. But I assume it's just trotting out stereotypes like the 'women are less valuable because they are more emotional and can't work as hard' kind of crap?
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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    You don't seem to get my point. Comments and perving is enough to prevent girls from feeling like they can wear clothes they like, guys don't have to be beating or arresting them to make them feel like that. The problem lies with the guys being unable to control their eyes/mouth etc., not with what the girls are wearing, so why should the girls change what they wear? It's completely unfair to expect girls to stop wearing clothes they like, just because of the reactions of other people.
    And it is completely unfair to expect men not to look at you.

    '...girls from feeling...'

    Doesn't matter what they feel like. I don't feel like going outside atm, nothing is stoppiong me from doing it though.
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    (Original post by Camlon)
    Well, then you should spend your time telling women to make other choices. I personally believe many women make the right choice, because men often work too much and spends too little time with his family.

    I don't think you understand how the economy works. Let's say they are discriminated today, then companies would start employing women because they are cheaper, and it will give them an edge. This will make women more demanded and men less demanded. To get more females who are still cheaper they would give them a higher wage, and in the end the wage for women would earn the same as for men.

    You must remember that when they hire a female, then she would have left some other company, hence a job that a man can take. Probably for a lower wage, because they are less demanded.
    Finally, someone with a basic grasp on supply and demand:woo:.
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    (Original post by volts)
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8455161.stm
    This is why feminism is needed.
    They found evidence that she wantwed group sex, she had group sex and said it was rape.

    All in all it hinges o whether you believe the defendants or the complainants and in light of this convo it seems that it is wholly likely that she willing engaged in the acts and later regretted it and called rape.

    She may have been raped but you can't sentence 5 people to years in jail if there is a strong possibility she consented.

    I don't know all the facts in the end it is the jury who decide and the majority of the jury thought that this changed the whole tone of the trial and provided enough doubt as to find a not guilty verdict.

    Thats the legal system for ya.
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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    If a man and a woman did exactly the job, with exactly the same duties, hours and overtime worked, responsibilities, amount of holiday etc., and the woman did not become pregnant or have any children already, yet the man got paid more, would you think it was OK?

    Tbh I haven't read your link. But I assume it's just trotting out stereotypes like the 'women are less valuable because they are more emotional and can't work as hard' kind of crap?
    It has been proven that when men and women do exactly the same job - as you described, that women are paid 127% of what a man is. The link explains why women are paid less; they work in more secure jobs (as this recession has proven), they have twice the levels of absenteeism, they travel shorter distances to work (the list is rather extensive).
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    And it is completely unfair to expect men not to look at you.

    '...girls from feeling...'

    Doesn't matter what they feel like. I don't feel like going outside atm, nothing is stoppiong me from doing it though.
    Obviously it doesn't matter to you, because it's never happened to you and you're unable to look at it from a girl's point of view. That's a really crap analogy btw, because there's nobody outside making disgusting comments to you if you do go outside. There's a big difference between having a quick look and obviously perving btw; nobody said that men shouldn't be able to give an admiring glance or discreet look or whatever, but when it crosses the line then of course it isn't unfair to expect them not to.
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    (Original post by O-Ren)
    Are you seriously asking me to prove that there are women who are aggressive and men who are good with kids.

    Are you?

    Are you really?

    Really Really?









    I couldn't help myself :ninja:
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    God says: "So you would love her."
    "But God," the man says, "why did you make her so dumb?"
    God says: "So she would love you."

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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    If a man and a woman did exactly the job, with exactly the same duties, hours and overtime worked, responsibilities, amount of holiday etc., and the woman did not become pregnant or have any children already, yet the man got paid more, would you think it was OK?
    No, that would be sexist.
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    This is a claim from the author. This is not a source, and even if we were to take it as one it is not from an imparital organisation. Also this doesn't indicate anything is intrinsically inequal about men and women e.g that men and women are paid differently for the same job.
    it's not a claimfrom the author! (ruth sunderland, who, by the way, is a very respected journalist working from a very respected newspaper [the observer] but whatever)

    it's from research by the Equality and Human Rights Commission! what is wrong with you? ACCEPT YOU'RE WRONG! :p:
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    (Original post by O-Ren)
    Are you seriously asking me to prove that there are women who are aggressive and men who are good with kids.

    Are you?

    Are you really?
    How to make this simple for you? You said there 'aren't any inherently male/female abilities or qualities', I asked you to back this up, what you said proved nothing. I would go into why you are wrong but I don't think you'd really be interested in that.
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    (Original post by Libtolu)
    They found evidence that she wantwed group sex, she had group sex and said it was rape.

    All in all it hinges o whether you believe the defendants or the complainants and in light of this convo it seems that it is wholly likely that she willing engaged in the acts and later regretted it and called rape.

    She may have been raped but you can't sentence 5 people to years in jail if there is a strong possibility she consented.
    But there's a big difference between fantasy and the real thing... Fantasies about rape and group sex are apparently pretty common amongst women, but that doesn't in most cases mean that they actually want to get raped or do group sex in real life!
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    No, but it can be explained by the whole myriad of ways female employees are worth less to employers.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo160.html
    Congratulations, your critical reading skills are s h i t

    I said women and men doing the same job. Every single point in that article is either about the different jobs they work (and is therefore, irrelevant) or about the hours worked (and is therefore irrelevant).
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    (Original post by Rosamund123)
    it's not a claimfrom the author! (ruth sunderland, who, by the way, is a very respected journalist working from a very respected newspaper [the observer] but whatever)
    It is a claim from the author, she provided no evidence to back up what she was saying.

    It's from research by the Equality and Human Rights Commission! what is wrong with you? ACCEPT YOU'RE WRONG! :p:
    What research? Where is this ******* research then? I couldn't give a **** what some left wing journo says on her blog.

    Also 'Equality and Human Rights Commission' exactly why am I going to take such a partial group seriously?
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    (Original post by O-Ren)
    Congratulations, your critical reading skills are s h i t

    I said women and men doing the same job. Every single point in that article is either about the different jobs they work (and is therefore, irrelevant) or about the hours worked (and is therefore irrelevant).
    But the point is your '22% pay gap' is calculated by comparing people with the same job titles, not the same responsibilities and amounts of work within that job. I have provided evidence showing that when they actually do the same amount of work they are paid more...
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    It has been proven that when men and women do exactly the same job - as you described, that women are paid 127% of what a man is. The link explains why women are paid less; they work in more secure jobs (as this recession has proven), they have twice the levels of absenteeism, they travel shorter distances to work (the list is rather extensive).
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...uth-sunderland
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    (Original post by Camlon)
    Well, then you should spend your time telling women to make other choices. I personally believe many women make the right choice, because men often work too much and spends too little time with his family.I don't think you understand how the economy works. Let's say they are discriminated today, then companies would start employing women because they are cheaper, and it will give them an edge. This will make women more demanded and men less demanded. To get more females who are still cheaper they would give them a higher wage, and in the end the wage for women would be the same as men.

    You must remember that when they hire a female, then she would have left some other company, hence a job that a man can take. Probably for a lower wage, because they are less demanded.
    In that case men should spend less time at work and more time with their families, to balance it out.

    And I do know how the economy works, thank you very much.
 
 
 
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