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    A train is about to crash! A woman on the train stands up, takes her clothes off, and shouts out "I'm a virgin! Can someone make me feel like a woman before I die?". A man then stands up, takes his clothes off, throws them at her and says "iron these, love!"
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    Egalitarianism does not go hand in hand with feminism at all. Feminism, as I said already, never has and never will do anything for men. It is there solely to promote female issues, and furthermore to stop any male issues ever reaching parliament or the media. Although egalitarianism encompasses things aside from the gender divide, that's ok, because feminism shouldn't be able to pull the combined effort of society towards just their causes - as they have been able to for the last half century. The gender divide is equal, and we need each others help, so i'm proposing we work together. An innequality in happiness - the point of living - is more important than inequalities anywhere else in society.
    And again, I maintain that feminism is about equal rights. The reason feminism has been based in promoting the rights of females is as I've stated, because they were at a disadvantage.
    As I have said it can be about men but hasn't had a reason to be associated with them yet.
    And your talk about happiness is based not in gender but in the individual subjects.
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    (Original post by O-Ren)
    it has been proven that if a male child and female child are of the same intelligence, the male will get more encouragement and support from the teacher!
    by the way, that stuff you posted didn't seem to address that all...
    It basically just said boys talk more in class, and teachers reply to them. Nothing about comparative intelligence between the boys and girls, and even if there was then it means nothing in a group situation if the girls aren't going to speak up.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    And again, I maintain that feminism is about equal rights. The reason feminism has been based in promoting the rights of females is as I've stated, because they were at a disadvantage.
    As I have said it can be about men but hasn't had a reason to be associated with them yet.
    And your talk about happiness is based not in gender but in the individual subjects.
    It is based on gender insofar as they tested thousands of peoples happiness levels and correlated them, and women came out on top. There are plenty of reasons for feminism to campaign for male issues, but they haven't; men retiring later, men working longer hours, men having less rights to their children etc. So don't give me all that crap. They are focused on one thing and one thing only; womens rights. Like you say women were at a disadvantaged, but that doesn't mean to say that now we are equal in our inequalities they are now doing stuff for men. Take the banning of lads mags at LSE for instance, there are plenty of female magazines with topless men in them in their Union, but the feminists don't care because they are there to represent solely women. I have challenged you numerous times to highlight to me something feminism has done to promote males rights - and I take it by the fact you haven't that you can't.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    It is based on gender insofar as they tested thousands of peoples happiness levels and correlated them, and women came out on top. There are plenty of reasons for feminism to campaign for male issues, but they haven't; men retiring later, men working longer hours, men having less rights to their children etc. So don't give me all that crap. They are focused on one thing and one thing only; womens rights. Like you say women were at a disadvantaged, but that doesn't mean to say that now we are equal in our inequalities they are now doing stuff for men. Take the banning of lads mags at LSE for instance, there are plenty of female magazines with topless men in them in their Union, but the feminists don't care because they are there to represent solely women. I have challenged you numerous times to highlight to me something feminism has done to promote males rights - and I take it by the fact you haven't that you can't.
    Firstly see the private language argument from Wittgenstein for issues regaurding sensations like happiness.
    Secondly-if they're only interested in promoting women's rights they're not feminists. Feminism is about gender equality. If they're not interested in that and claim to be feminists then they're mis-using the word.
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    Jeez, alot of you girls need to get off your high horse before you fall off
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    Firstly see the private language argument from Wittgenstein for issues regaurding sensations like happiness.
    Secondly-if they're only interested in promoting women's rights they're not feminists. Feminism is about gender equality. If they're not interested in that and claim to be feminists then they're mis-using the word.
    It is you who is misuing the word. It has femi in it ffs, it is quite clearly focused upon women. I have challenged you to disprove me by pointing out something, anything, feminism has done for men. There are clear inequalities that men face but I have never heard prominent feminists even mention them. Feminism is about bringing one gender upto 'equal' and leaving the other genders inequalities to stand - thereby creating inequality.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    It is you who is misuing the word. It has femi in it ffs, it is quite clearly focused upon women. I have challenged you to disprove me by pointing out something, anything, feminism has done for men. There are clear inequalities that men face but I have never heard prominent feminists even mention them. Feminism is about bringing one gender upto 'equal' and leaving the other genders inequalities to stand - thereby creating inequality.
    I've explain the origins of the word .
    And that is also very relevant to the rest of your post.
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    (Original post by Antonia87)
    Lol what do you mean its "Only 1 country"? It shouldnt be happening in any country.
    And I never brought Islam into it. And it doesnt matter if genital mutilation occurs out of ignorance, it shouldnt be happening at all. And no it has nothing to do with western standards - its human standards.

    You've just proven yourself to be a misogynistic pig. Well done.

    (p.s didnt you once say in a thread that men should be permitted to beat their wives if they're disobedient? I rest my case)
    You are still associating western values with the values of "humanity", that is prime arrogance.

    It seems you simply cannot comprehend the fact that your way of thinking does not necessarily equal to what is true and just, you have a long way to go my dear :no:
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    Feminism is more concerned with the effects a patriarchal society has on women and the role it plays in opressing her. Which it does. Most certainly. Everyone talks about gender equality, but that's ********, you only have to open a magazine (aimed at men or women) to see that.

    If you're interested on the male role in feminism, you should look at post-feminist, as this is more concerned with the effects the feminist movement had on masculine identity.

    Not all feminists hate men. It's just that the radical feminists that do are publicised way more so everyone can see what idiots they are, and thus what idiots women who believe they have rights are.

    That's my opinion, anyway.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    :facepalm:

    i've heard this so often, feminists don't want to be the same as men, they just want equal rights and the right to their own identity. By portraying women as sex objects lad mags are simply demoralising and teaching men that women are there to be seen and not heard.
    Are you a ******* idiot. what do you want Magazines with audio?


    Women and men have equal rights, tell me what rights women don't have, enlighten me.

    And their own identity? Who can take that away. Even slaves had their own identities you can't steal someones identity. Unless you are living in pakistan or 17 century i don't see anyone being opressed because of gender in this country.


    And an important point that i must make but hope you will answer the rest of my post as well is Women and ~Men ARE sex objects to each other, they are not ONLY sex objects/peoples and pretty much anyone above retard level iq knows that but women view men in a sexual way and men do the same to women i see nothing demoralising or dangerous in this.

    A girl being naked doesn't dehumanize her in any way and if anyone does get this mindframe from reading lads mags i suggest they see a psche because they ahve serious mental problems already.
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    (Original post by MrHappy_J)
    The thing is, there is a reason why sexist jokes were created other than entertainement. The ugly truth is that most sexual discrimination is subliminal nowadays and therefore goes unnoticed, such as in the form of what appear to be harmless jokes. They can unconsciously socialise a male into believing that women should be in the kitchen all day.

    Also, "woman" is a deviant version of the word "man" which suggests that women are deviant from men. It's all in the language we use, see.
    I get what you are saying, but most people who are using the jokes do not mean them in a malicious way. It's just people taking the p!ss. You can tell when someone is being genuinely sexist and when they are just winding you up. That's the point I was making. It's the same as me winding up my Welsh friend for being Welsh, as she does me for being scouse. The jokes may have come from something that wasn't originially for entertainment, but we don't mean it in that way.

    I was just saying that whilst this girl may not find anything wrong with this type of behaviour, which tbh most girls wouldn't take seriously, it is a lot different from being actually discriminated against for being female.

    Does that make sense?
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    How many men does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

    None, let the ***** cook in the dark.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    Firstly see the private language argument from Wittgenstein for issues regaurding sensations like happiness.
    Secondly-if they're only interested in promoting women's rights they're not feminists. Feminism is about gender equality. If they're not interested in that and claim to be feminists then they're mis-using the word.
    Lol No true Scotsman fallacy.
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    (Original post by ciawhobat)
    Yea, how is that "horrific" ahaha. I don't find women 'interesting', simple as that.
    Mmm sounds like you really 'love' women huh. Only a misogynist thinks all women are boring. It's like saying all people with red hair are boring or all people with blue eyes are boring. No person without a mental problem would ever say that. Women are as varied and unique as men. If you disagree it's because of your prejudices blinding you, or because you are so mindless yourself that women who are interesting avoid you.

    And if you don't think comparing women to cats is horrific you really are detached. Comparing women to animals is actually very common amongst misogynists. Often rapists when they are beating the woman tell her she is little better than a dog.

    (Original post by ciawhobat)
    "Bodies" including or not including their brains?
    High spatial ability is more common in men than women, and high language ability is more common in women than men. MORE COMMON. This does not mean that only women are good at learning languages, or that only men are good at maths. This is why the only fundamental differences in men and women are their sexual organs.

    (Original post by ciawhobat)
    It's impossible not to impose or dictate ideas and ambitions upon people, though. We would all have to just stop communicating at all, and sit and shrug whenever a child asked for advice, terrified that we might be seen to be FORCING them in some HORRIFIC direction. A woman who lives a manly life today is being no more herself than if the same woman lived 100 years ago and was a submissive housewife. In either case, she got the ideas from somewhere. The notion that she's being independant and free-thinking is just like a 14 year old emo thinking he's unique and not following the crowd.
    The point is in the past there were women who wanted careers but weren't allowed them because people though 'women should be women' and stay in the home. If a woman wants to stay in the home she is being true to herself and that's fine. However, if someone wants to have a career that does not make them 'manly'. If someone wants to cook and spend a lot of time with their kids it does not make them 'womanly'.
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    (Original post by devotchka_)
    Feminism is more concerned with the effects a patriarchal society has on women and the role it plays in opressing her. Which it does. Most certainly. Everyone talks about gender equality, but that's ********, you only have to open a magazine (aimed at men or women) to see that.

    If you're interested on the male role in feminism, you should look at post-feminist, as this is more concerned with the effects the feminist movement had on masculine identity.

    Not all feminists hate men. It's just that the radical feminists that do are publicised way more so everyone can see what idiots they are, and thus what idiots women who believe they have rights are.

    That's my opinion, anyway.

    The problem here is i don't see our society as being patriarchal anymore, there are plenty of women everywhere doing all different kinds of jobs some high up some not so.

    I don't see what opportunities men have that women don't have as well and vice versa.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    At no point did I say you couldn't be feminist and enjoy a sexist joke?
    A joke is not serious, thus it doesn't have any effect on debate or definition. If it was serious then it would have an effect on that persons views.

    I was merely labelling what feminism was by definition.
    Calm down. I was agreeing with you, as well as adding something separate that I thought.
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    What you're referring to is more or less a feminazi than a feminist.
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    Most people hardly understand what feminism is, this post is an example of that.
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    (Original post by Libtolu)
    The problem here is i don't see our society as being patriarchal anymore, there are plenty of women everywhere doing all different kinds of jobs some high up some not so.

    I don't see what opportunities men have that women don't have as well and vice versa.
    That's true, women have a hell of a lot more opportunities in terms of work than they used to, but patriarchy extends to all corners of society. Traditional ideas of how a woman should and should not act are still upheld. A prime example, and something I'm not advocating, as it's somewhat grotesque, is the fact that a man can go out, drink loads act like a lout and it;s okay, but a woman does the same and she's labelled a ladette with no self respect. That's patriarchy right there. I don;t agree that women should act that way, but it's utterly demonised in the media and stuff. Men get off a lot more lightly with that type of behaviour.
 
 
 
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