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    (Original post by mathperson)
    :facepalm: firstly, you see why the text in bold is illogical don't you?

    Please go back and look at the previous pages in this thread, I shall not reply anymore until you do so, and tell me what you have found, good boy :spank:
    You've backtracked again. You said Islam supports suicide bombings yet when challenged to porvide proof you refuse.
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    (Original post by mathperson)
    :facepalm: firstly, you see why the text in bold is illogical don't you?

    Please go back and look at the previous pages in this thread, I shall not reply anymore until you do so, and tell me what you have found, good boy :spank:
    I just did, there're no quotes saying the Quran supports suicide bombings or even suicide itself, plenty saying otherwise.

    It seems you're just an immature imbecile my friend who can't take the fact that he's wrong. Provide your "quotes" which seemed to have mysteriously disappeared off the thread or bugger off.
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    (Original post by n1r4v)
    Very interesting, and I'm open to hearing your views.

    Can you provide some evidence in favour of the "martyrdom operations" i.e where scholars support the acts. It seems to go against the key theme which runs through most of the Muslims' responses on threads like these, where they say "these guys are disgusting, not Muslims etc. etc." [this is my main question]

    If you have time...
    do you know why there is ikhtilaaf on this issue? Why is there such polarised opinion on such an important, current issue? And if there is disagreement by Islamic scholars on this topic, how can one be sure that their own views on Islam are correct, when even the more knowledgeable [in Islamic affiars] Muslims disagree on key issues?
    Some scholars say martyrdome operations are completely forbidden because it constitutes suicide and taking ones own life.

    Scholars favour this opinion include:

    Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen - http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/.../0010915_1.htm

    Shaykh Ibn Fowzaan - http://www.fatwa-online.com/fataawa/...04/0030409.htm

    Shaykh 'Abdul-'Azeez Aal ash-Shaykh - http://www.fatwa-online.com/news/0010421.htm


    Other scholars differentiate between martyrdome operations and suicide. They say 'suicide is an act or instance of killing oneself intentionally out of despair, and finding no outlet except putting an end to one’s life. On the other hand, martyrdom is a heroic act of choosing to suffer death in the Cause of Allah, and that’s why it’s considered by most Muslim scholars as one of the greatest forms of Jihad' (Yusuf Al-Qaradawi).

    Scholars who support martyrdome operations include:

    Sheikh Albani - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkDRfOe2bQ

    Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi - http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503545134

    Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi (deputy chairman of European Council for Fatwa and Research) - http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...EAskTheScholar

    Sheikh Fu'ad Mukhaymar (late Azharite scholar and the head of the Sunni Egyptian Institutions in Egypt) - http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...EAskTheScholar

    Mohammed Musawi (head of the World Islamic League) - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...072201629.html


    As you can see there is a clear divide amongst the ulema on this issue with major scholars arguing on both sides of the divide. It is a matter of fiqh where difference of opinions are allowed.

    Also note this isn't a debate about attacking civilians but rather the operations involving taking your own life in a military scenario. As far as I know, most scholars are against targetting civilians.
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    (Original post by n1r4v)
    Thankyou for the balanced list. Unfortunately I don't have time to read the sources at the moment but I'll may go through them later on.
    I'm happy to help. Just keep in mind martyrdome operations are an extremely divisive issue amongst Muslims. The issue isn't as clear cut as some Muslims on this thread portray it as.

    Also note that both sides use the same source (Qur'an and Sunnah) yet they have come to different conclusions. This is demonstrated by the difference of opinion between Sheik Uthaymeen and Sheikh Albani who are two of the most high ranking scholars of the 20th century.
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    Sorry for my late response, I've a few upcoming mid-term examinations that I have been completing revision for.

    Regarding your question, I think my response was summed up by another poster but nonetheless I'll give my point of view since it was asked for.
    (Original post by n1r4v)
    Very interesting, and I'm open to hearing your views.

    Can you provide some evidence in favour of the "martyrdom operations" i.e where scholars support the acts.
    Since such operations are a relatively modern phenomena, only contemporary scholars have discussed the issue. Amongst the more prominent to deem them permissible (with conditions) are Shaykh al-Albaani, Shaykh Qaradaawi, Shaykh al-Shanqeeti [see link], Shaykh Qatadaah, Shaykh al-Uyayri and others.

    Also, you may find the attachment very useful. It compendiously argues the case for such operations.

    As for my view, then I think that such operations have a suspicion of sin but if the person who undertakes such an operation against those who actively fight against the Muslims, and does with a clear intention of defending Islaam and Muslims, then I hope that, insha'Allaah, they are martyrs.
    It seems to go against the key theme which runs through most of the Muslims' responses on threads like these, where they say "these guys are disgusting, not Muslims etc. etc." [this is my main question]
    My honest opinion is that those who speak on such matters tend not to have assesed both sides of the argument. In an effort to highlight the "extremism" of those they oppose, they fall into "extremism" themselves by having no qualms in calling another Muslim a kaffir when kufr is not plainly evident, and we know from the Prophet (upon him be peace) that the one who calls another Muslim a kaffir without it being evident, then that claim falls back on the one who made takfir.
    If you have time...do you know why there is ikhtilaaf on this issue? Why is there such polarised opinion on such an important, current issue? And if there is disagreement by Islamic scholars on this topic, how can one be sure that their own views on Islam are correct, when even the more knowledgeable [in Islamic affiars] Muslims disagree on key issues?
    Just as in many other matters of fiqh, martyrdom operations have a divided opinion. Some scholars sincerely believe them to be haraam whilst others follow such an opinion to curry favour with those in authority. Other scholars deem them permissible in all instances, whilst some permit them in only some situations.

    As long as someone is putting forth evidences from the Qur'aan and the Sunnaah, then we have to accept their opinion as a valid form of ijtihaad but not necessarily agree with its conclusions.
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