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    (Original post by Bslforever)
    Hmm, but thats just speculation now isn't it?

    Also, maybe someone would be traumatised because everyone else in the class (including Becky) got cards and they didn't? Or maybe one child really really really wanted a card from Becky and didn't get one? Or maybe a child gave a card to Becky and got humiliatingly shot down infront of 20 odd peers?
    That's part of what being a child is. If you take away all opportunities like this you end up with emotionally stunted people at the end of it.

    These experiences aren't negative, they're part of growing up. You learn from them. If you've never been embarrassed you've never tried anything.

    It's pathetic that it's being called emotional trauma. Trauma is when you walk in on your dad having sex with the cleaner. It's not when you get shot down by a girl.
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    (Original post by Phalanges)
    Trauma is when you walk in on your dad having sex with the cleaner.
    This made me laugh, thankyou. Needed it.. :p:
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    ...and these kids will grow up to be 20-21 and unable to cope with rejection once they enter the 'real world.'

    :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Phalanges)
    That's part of what being a child is. If you take away all opportunities like this you end up with emotionally stunted people at the end of it.

    These experiences aren't negative, they're part of growing up. You learn from them. If you've never been embarrassed you've never tried anything.

    It's pathetic that it's being called emotional trauma. Trauma is when you walk in on your dad having sex with the cleaner. It's not when you get shot down by a girl.
    You must remember that what is not even slightly traumatising for us could be devastating for children. Some of these kids wont even sleep without the hall light on for goodness sake.

    And if daddy has a cleaner, then i doubt you are going to know what emotional trauma really is :yes:
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    (Original post by Bslforever)
    And if daddy has a cleaner, than i doubt you are going to know what emotional trauma really is :yes:
    Yep. Only the poor can be traumatised. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Phalanges)
    Yep. Only the poor can be traumatised. :rolleyes:
    Well if you're living the sweet life you are a lot less likely to come into traumatic situations, but this is going off topic.
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    (Original post by Bslforever)
    Well if you're living the sweet life you are a lot less likely to come into traumatic situations, but this is going off topic.
    Because money is directly proportional to emotional stability?
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    (Original post by Phalanges)
    Because money is directly proportional to emotional stability?
    No, because money allows a huge barrage of difficulties to be overcome. Financial worries, worries about where your next meal is coming from, worries about whether you can afford schooling/textbooks/uniform etc...

    Im not saying that if you have money you will never have any trauma, im just saying that it avoids a huge number of situations that could be traumatising.

    But as i said, this is extreemly off topic.
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    But kids young enough to be in primary school may be sad for the whole of about 10 minutes, but then shake it off. Like the headteacher said, they are not mature enough to understand properly, and the hour after it has happened they both go back to thinking that the other sex smells . Valentine's Day at that age is just a little bit of fun, children are pretty damned resilient and fickle, the school might be able to ban Vday, but it's not going to stop people getting rejected or "dumped".
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    (Original post by kamc)
    I think its ridiculous. When I was at school (in America until age 9) we had to give everyone in the class a valentines, it was a friendship thing. When I moved to the UK Valentines day was just lulz, some kids would get anonymous ones and we'd be like omg! Peter loves you! blah blah and if you didn't get one you lied and said you got 5. Relationships at that age aren't "real" relationships, its a bit of fun, why not let them enjoy it and have a laugh. It also helps them learn more about relationships.
    I'd be worried if something as questionable as valentines day was teaching kids anything about relationships.

    I never got any valentine cards at school (well 'cept from one girl who doesn't count) - and now i'm a bitter, lonely individual who hates women and masturbates over rape porn :no:

    Seriously, the whole thing is a relatively pointless ritual that only really benefits card companies and the like in the long run - but BANNING it, that is just more effort than it is worth.

    (Original post by kamc)
    Yes one school. One out of how many?

    I'll also add I was in America until age 9. There it was celebrated and the kids all made cards for each other. In one school we just gave them to whoever we wanted, in another I went to we had to give one to everyone. Neither experiences caused trauma or upset, quite the opposite. It is a lovely, fun day for children. No disruption was caused. So with all due respect, I probably have more experience of Valentines Day in schools than you do.
    **** me, even as a 9 year old I would have hated that - like hated it, and not even understood why.
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    (Original post by Bslforever)
    Which physical injuries are beneficial btw?
    Its the same as the immune system - If you don't get dirty, you will grow up with a terrible immune system compared with if you did get dirty.

    Your body learns how to deal with things through experience.

    I disagree completely that some bullying is good. I've never been bullied. Should i be worried? Should i find someone to bully me so that i can be a better person? Am i worse off for not being bullied?
    It means you learn to deal with the crap other people give.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Its the same as the immune system - If you don't get dirty, you will grow up with a terrible immune system compared with if you did get dirty.

    Your body learns how to deal with things through experience.



    It means you learn to deal with the crap other people give.
    Physical injuries include things like broken bones. Getting dust and dirt into your system is hardly a physical injury.

    I can deal with any crap that people choose to give me in a calm and mature manner. How is this possible if i've never been bullied?
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    (Original post by Bslforever)
    Physical injuries include things like broken bones. Getting dust and dirt into your system is hardly a physical injury.
    IT also includes bruises, scrapes, grazes, cuts etc
    Just because I said physical injury doesn't mean serious injury.

    I can deal with any crap that people choose to give me in a calm and mature manner. How is this possible if i've never been bullied?
    As I have said before, there are some who are overly sensitive to verbal comments no matter how "weak". People who I know who have been verbally bullied no longer give a damn to the comments of other people - It means nothing to them.
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    Ahhh, this article makes me laugh every time I see it, just because my mum actually works at that school and told me about it when it first happened, then the next thing I knew it was in national newspapers :p:

    If anybody is interested, it actually started when the headteacher banned just the year 5s from sending Valentine's cards (because they are a really bad behaved year group and would have turned it into something to make a fuss about apparently). Then a parent complained, saying it wasn't fair, why ban only year 5? So he extended it to the whole school and then that same parent went to the press... :p:
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    (Original post by FunkyVeganChick)
    Ahhh, this article makes me laugh every time I see it, just because my mum actually works at that school and told me about it when it first happened, then the next thing I knew it was in national newspapers :p:

    If anybody is interested, it actually started when the headteacher banned just the year 5s from sending Valentine's cards (because they are a really bad behaved year group and would have turned it into something to make a fuss about apparently). Then a parent complained, saying it wasn't fair, why ban only year 5? So he extended it to the whole school and then that same parent went to the press... :p:

    Haha, so this is all the product of one busybody parent it seems Thanks for posting.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    IT also includes bruises, scrapes, grazes, cuts etc
    Just because I said physical injury doesn't mean serious injury.
    Getting dust and dirt into the system strengthens the immune system. This is not in any way a physical injury.

    As I have said before, there are some who are overly sensitive to verbal comments no matter how "weak". People who I know who have been verbally bullied no longer give a damn to the comments of other people - It means nothing to them.
    And there are some people who will do just fine. Is this any reason to subject all children to bullying on the grounds that it is beneficial?
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    (Original post by Bslforever)
    Getting dust and dirt into the system strengthens the immune system. This is not in any way a physical injury.
    Look at this again:
    Its the same as the immune system - If you don't get dirty, you will grow up with a terrible immune system compared with if you did get dirty.

    Your body learns how to deal with things through experience.

    I said it is the same as the immune system. Your body needs to learn to recognise it (it being injury no matter how minor). I didn't say dust was a bloody physical injury. I said the body learns how to repair itself through experience the same way as the immune system learns how to heal the body.

    Its a comparison -_-

    Now either you misread or are being intentionally thick? I will assume you misread.


    And there are some people who will do just fine. Is this any reason to subject all children to bullying on the grounds that it is beneficial?
    Is there any reason to remove valentines day from schools because of rejection?
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    (it being injury no matter how minor).
    For the last time. "it" is not an injury. Not a major injury, not a minor injury, not even almost an injury.

    Is there any reason to remove valentines day from schools because of rejection?
    Not so much. There is definitely reason to remove valentines day from schools because of disruption, which appeared to be the case.

    I'm going to assume that you misunderstood the meaning of the term "injury" rather than think you are being intentionally think, despite the fact that i mentionned the disruption in the very first post i replied to you with.
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    (Original post by Bslforever)
    For the last time. "it" is not an injury. Not a major injury, not a minor injury, not even almost an injury.
    Okay, I agree.
    Bruises, scrapes, bleeding, grazes, cuts etc they aren't injuries, they are fluffy kittens attached to the body to make us feel happy.



    I'm going to assume that you misunderstood the meaning of the term "injury" rather than think you are being intentionally think, despite the fact that i mentionned the disruption in the very first post i replied to you with.
    Define Injury:

    any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    Physical damage includes grazes, bleeding, scrapes, bruises etc

    So again, are you being intentionally thick or did you misread?
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Okay, I agree.
    Bruises, scrapes, bleeding, grazes, cuts etc they aren't injuries, they are fluffy kittens attached to the body to make us feel happy.





    Define Injury:

    any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    Physical damage includes grazes, bleeding, scrapes, bruises etc

    So again, are you being intentionally thick or did you misread?
    Unfortunately for you, none of these things have anything to do with the immune system. Scrapes, cuts and the like are healed by platelets in the blood forming scabs. The immune system protects against infection. Incidentally, fluffy kittens also have nothing to do with the immune system, despite having immune systems themselves.
 
 
 
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