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    (Original post by _KilgoreTrout_)
    Stop trying to defend you horrifically out of control alcoholic father.
    Stop being a moron on the internet bro?

    My dad drinks about twice a month.. and thats two pints, most students on this forum go get lashed more than once a week.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Stop being a moron on the internet bro?

    My dad drinks about twice a month.. and thats two pints, most students on this forum go get lashed more than once a week.
    The first step is admitting it.
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    (Original post by _KilgoreTrout_)
    The first step is admitting it.
    Not going to get into a convo with such a troll.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Not going to get into a convo with such a troll.
    Well if you dad just has to have those precious 2 pints then he does have a problem.
    Can he not just not have them if he is driving?
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    (Original post by _KilgoreTrout_)
    Well if you dad just has to have those precious 2 pints then he does have a problem.
    Can he not just not have them if he is driving?
    Lmfao, he doesn't have too not.. its perfectly within the law...
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Lmfao, he doesn't have too not.. its perfectly within the law...
    It's within the law to be an alcoholic. I am not saying it's not.
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    (Original post by _KilgoreTrout_)
    It's within the law to be an alcoholic. I am not saying it's not.
    Troll.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Lmfao, he doesn't have too not.. its perfectly within the law...
    It may be within the law, but as even a tiny amount of alcohol affects reaction times, it could be (and I agree) considered immoral as it is unnecasarilly putting people at risk if he drives!
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    (Original post by chriscpritchard)
    It may be within the law, but as even a tiny amount of alcohol affects reaction times, it could be (and I agree) considered immoral as it is unnecasarilly putting people at risk if he drives!
    Yeah he's driven for 30 years and hasnt crashed.

    And you get some ****** boy racer who thinks he is schumacher who goes and kills someone.

    So you know.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Yeah he's driven for 30 years and hasnt crashed.

    And you get some ****** boy racer who thinks he is schumacher who goes and kills someone.

    So you know.
    That may be the case, but regardless of what other people do, he is still needlessly increasing the risk of HIM causing an accident and it should be illegal. Also, it's comparing apples and oranges, 1 is comparing experienced vs inexperienced drivers (he's been driving for longer, so less likely to have an accident) whereas the other thing is drunk alcohol vs not drunk alcohol (it increases the chances of crashing for both the experienced and inexperienced driver)
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    (Original post by chriscpritchard)
    That may be the case, but regardless of what other people do, he is still needlessly increasing the risk of HIM causing an accident and it should be illegal. Also, it's comparing apples and oranges, 1 is comparing experienced vs inexperienced drivers (he's been driving for longer, so less likely to have an accident) whereas the other thing is drunk alcohol vs not drunk alcohol (it increases the chances of crashing for both the experienced and inexperienced driver)
    Well not really, as you get older you handle alcohol better and have better road experience.

    He used to be a very heavy drinker when he was young and has matured to take alcohol very well.

    I wouldn't do it because I know it would have an effect on me, but he is indifferent after 2 pints.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Well not really, as you get older you handle alcohol better and have better road experience.

    He used to be a very heavy drinker when he was young and has matured to take alcohol very well.

    I wouldn't do it because I know it would have an effect on me, but he is indifferent after 2 pints.
    It still has an effect on them though, however slight. Also, things like that are very subjective and it's much better and safer to just say: no alcohol, or BAC of up to xxμg/mL just for the sheer reason that people will overestimate how much they can drink before being dangerous. IMO a low-ish limit (none would be ideal, but there's the problem of a possible background amount of BAC), with advertisments promoting no drinking at all
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    (Original post by chriscpritchard)
    It still has an effect on them though, however slight. Also, things like that are very subjective and it's much better and safer to just say: no alcohol, or BAC of up to xxμg/mL just for the sheer reason that people will overestimate how much they can drink before being dangerous. IMO a low-ish limit (none would be ideal, but there's the problem of a possible background amount of BAC), with advertisments promoting no drinking at all
    So in your opinion

    listening to the radio
    talking to passengers

    are immoral?

    they can both affect distraction times, shall we ban both then?
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    So in your opinion

    listening to the radio
    talking to passengers

    are immoral?

    they can both affect distraction times, shall we ban both then?
    You can't stop being drunk, you can stop listening to the radio while you deal with a hazard, you can stop talking to your passengers while you deal with a hazard.

    You can't sober up to deal with a hazard.
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    (Original post by R. Murray)
    You can't stop being drunk, you can stop listening to the radio while you deal with a hazard, you can stop talking to your passengers while you deal with a hazard.

    You can't sober up to deal with a hazard.
    So someone pulls infront of you, you have chance to turn the radio off before emergency braking?

    I don't think so.

    Useless argument.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    So someone pulls infront of you, you have chance to turn the radio off before emergency braking?

    I don't think so.

    Useless argument.
    True, BUT, you can turn it off before negotiating a complex junction/changing lanes/using a sliproad, meaning that you can concentrate on the activity that is more risky than just normal driving.
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    (Original post by chriscpritchard)
    True, BUT, you can turn it off before negotiating a complex junction/changing lanes/using a sliproad, meaning that you can concentrate on the activity that is more risky than just normal driving.
    Still, slower reaction times.. according to you then they should all be banned technically.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Still, slower reaction times.. according to you then they should all be banned technically.
    They lower reaction times but can be turned off, being drunk can't
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    (Original post by chriscpritchard)
    They lower reaction times but can be turned off, being drunk can't
    Yeah, when a little kid walks out infront of you.. you have time to turn the radio off..

    Erm no.

    Don't make excuses, if you want one banned you have to ban them all.
 
 
 
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