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"Swedish parents keep 2-year-old's gender secret" watch

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    I reckon it's a girl.
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    It would be interesting while the child was young as it would show that gender is a social construction if Pop didn't conform to his/her gender in the 'lifestyle' choices he/she makes. Once the child starts school, it would be cruel to continue, but I like the idea. A lot of traditional gender roles would be broken down if all children were brought up this way.
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    (Original post by milliondollarcorpse)
    I agree. I doubt that much will come from this anyway; you would need to do this experiment with a fair amount of children to get a reliable result.
    Good point
    Sample size is all!
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    I read about this before.
    Stupid idea tbh, as the child will grow up not being sure about what is considered the norm (if he does want to follow it). He may also be influenced by what other people the same gender do... so it might just be a pointless attempt. (note: he=pop)
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    They sound like nutjobs to me. And can anyone explain this quote to me? ''the parents were quoted saying their decision was rooted in the feminist philosophy that gender is a social construction.''
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    (Original post by Rimipie)
    who wants to bet on what it is, i'm in a booky mood today
    I bet you Pop's a girl

    But yeah, the whole saga the parents are going through is a bit pointless. Who are they kidding? It might be case that in a year or two Pop will be starting to look like a girl/boy. Besides, I bet Pop will tell someone eventually anyway, because kids love to blab...
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    Seems pretty cruel :lolwut:
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    (Original post by kamc)
    It will be interesting to follow up on the family in 5, 10, 15 years time to see how Pop's developed.
    No it won't. He'll reach about the age of 4, realise he's a boy/she's a girl, stop keeping it a secret and that will be that. I don't see why this is even a big deal - it just means they're not telling anyone what gender it is, it's not like they're planning to hack his balls off if he's a boy or anything.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    It would be interesting while the child was young as it would show that gender is a social construction if Pop didn't conform to his/her gender in the 'lifestyle' choices he/she makes. Once the child starts school, it would be cruel to continue, but I like the idea. A lot of traditional gender roles would be broken down if all children were brought up this way.

    Gender is anything but a social construction. Primarily it has huge biological impacts, and any social conventions that have formed, did so largely because of that biology.
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    (Original post by kamc)
    It will be interesting to follow up on the family in 5, 10, 15 years time to see how Pop's developed.

    I can understand their thinking, they want to avoid forcing gender stereotypes or traits on the child and allow him/her to decide what he/she likes. If they had let people know Pop was a girl she'd be given loads of pink toys, dolls, etc and if they'd let people know Pop was a boy he'd be given loads of cars, army toys, etc. Do girls like pink because they're girls or because thats what is given to them?

    They're not telling Pop that he/she is genderless, just not telling people to avoid the above I think. I'm sure that once Pop is in school his/her gender won't be hidden from other people.
    Considering pink used to be a boys colour. I'd say it's socially influenced...
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    What would the difference be if the gender was known? Either the kid would be treated as if he was a 'strong big boy who likes trucks and the colour blue' or a 'little princess with a love for all things pink'.
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    (Original post by Double Agent)
    They sound like nutjobs to me. And can anyone explain this quote to me? ''the parents were quoted saying their decision was rooted in the feminist philosophy that gender is a social construction.''
    Some feminists believe that society imposes certain attributes onto men and women, such as aggression in men and a caring nature in women. Sex is seen as the biological body a person is born into, and gender is the behaviour we acquire through social processes. Other feminists go further and claim that sex in itself is a social construction as without gender we wouldn't read certain meanings from the body.

    I don't know whether that was what you were after but I thought I'd give it a go.
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    (Original post by FyreFight)
    No it won't. He'll reach about the age of 4, realise he's a boy/she's a girl, stop keeping it a secret and that will be that. I don't see why this is even a big deal - it just means they're not telling anyone what gender it is, it's not like they're planning to hack his balls off if he's a boy or anything.
    Wow, wish I could read the future. Glad you can, now I won't have to read about it if they follow up with them in a couple of years time.
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    That kid's going to be ****** up.

    Just read the article, based on feminist philosophy - oh dear.
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    (Original post by kamc)
    Wow, wish I could read the future. Glad you can, now I won't have to read about it if they follow up with them in a couple of years time.
    hth
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Some feminists believe that society imposes certain attributes onto men and women, such as aggression in men and a caring nature in women. Sex is seen as the biological body a person is born into, and gender is the behaviour we acquire through social processes. Other feminists go further and claim that sex in itself is a social construction as without gender we wouldn't read certain meanings from the body.

    I don't know whether that was what you were after but I thought I'd give it a go.
    Thank you, I think I understand the concept a bit more now. :yes:
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    I heard about this a while ago, it'll be interesting to see how all this turns out
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    Weird parents.
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    (Original post by FyreFight)
    Gender is anything but a social construction. Primarily it has huge biological impacts, and any social conventions that have formed, did so largely because of that biology.
    Socialisation and biological features are so closely bound together it is impossible to say how important each one is in shaping gender. However, I believe that gender is mainly socially constructed as if it were to become socially acceptable for boys to play with toys, they wouldn't reject them because they are male. You can shape people to become almost anything you want through socialisation, as shown by different interpretations of gender between cultures. Maybe 'gender' did have a biological base at some point, but it no longer makes sense to follow it - it doesn't have a function.
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    (Original post by kamc)
    Wow, wish I could read the future. Glad you can, now I won't have to read about it if they follow up with them in a couple of years time.
    Children can detect their own gender after a certain age. The exception is if they are told lies by their parents, which isn't really what these parents are trying to do at all. They're keeping things neutral currently to prevent social influence up to a certain age.
 
 
 
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