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    (Original post by JAKstriked)
    Unfair dig at the BNP imo of course. You could have replaced BNP with "mental illness" at any point during the program, and still made perfect sense. I can't honestly believe that the average member is anything like the moron they filmed, if so I have no idea as to how they've managed to start a political party. He's still messed up regardless of the party he votes for.

    N.B. I wouldn't endorse the BNP, but I think this is typical C4 scare mongering which pisses me off just as much.
    this. Looks like everyone is doing everything they can to make BNP look even worse, would be better if people were allowed to form their own opinions.
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    (Original post by Eveiebaby)
    Just out of interest,
    1) Do you support the BNP, who are obviously all about putting white ppl before all else in the UK
    2) If you do support the BNP, then why would it be unacceptable for other races to have their own pride groups?

    By the way I dont agree with any of these "pride" sort of groups. While its good to love your country, I feel that political groups capitalising on pride distort the meaning of the word by belittling other nationalities/ethnicities. You can have pride and have good manners and respect for people from overseas. They really seem rather racist and supremicist to me.

    EDIT: I dont think you do......comment possibly voided?
    1)i do not support the bnp as a party, although this is chiefly due to its poor economic policy, and because i think nick griffin is an idiot. i think most of their immigration policy is fair, as i believe we have a massive surplus of people in this country from whatever angle, and i also believe that our culture is kinda getting taken over in certain areas e.g. birmingham. i agree with the leaving the eu, although they want to leave NATO, which is just plain stupid. i also agree with national service personally.
    to sum up, i think a few bnp seats would be a good thing for the country, and would make a good point... but a bnp government would be disastrous, an incompetent, socialist, authoritarian mess... although preferable to labour's incompetent, socialist, authoritarian mess.
    2) i was pointing out that those who consider the bnp's white membership policy wrong - personally i think thats ridiculous also, aside from anything else polish people e.g. are white and are as foreign as any coloured individual - should also consider, logically, the "black and proud" fictitious group "wrong". seeing that noone made any comment on this group, i think that says something about the bigotry of the "anti racist" lobby
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    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    1)i do not support the bnp as a party, although this is chiefly due to its poor economic policy, and because i think nick griffin is an idiot. i think most of their immigration policy is fair, as i believe we have a massive surplus of people in this country from whatever angle, and i also believe that our culture is kinda getting taken over in certain areas e.g. birmingham. i agree with the leaving the eu, although they want to leave NATO, which is just plain stupid. i also agree with national service personally.
    to sum up, i think a few bnp seats would be a good thing for the country, and would make a good point... but a bnp government would be disastrous, an incompetent, socialist, authoritarian mess... although preferable to labour's incompetent, socialist, authoritarian mess.
    2) i was pointing out that those who consider the bnp's white membership policy wrong - personally i think thats ridiculous also, aside from anything else polish people e.g. are white and are as foreign as any coloured individual - should also consider, logically, the "black and proud" fictitious group "wrong". seeing that noone made any comment on this group, i think that says something about the bigotry of the "anti racist" lobby
    yeah, no-one objected to a fictitious group - what a bunch of bigoted hypocrites us non-racists are :rolleyes:

    also if you'd have watched the film you'd see that only British caucausian groups can join the BNP, so that'd be all the European white migrants excluded from joining too...

    EDIT: for my part the guy seemed misguided, and the documentary maker spent too long trying to "understand" him and his background. It's too simple to say broken families lead to dysfunctional political views; there are many dysfunctional families and not that many racists (certainly not that many who are as overt as him). The whole tone smacked of "look at the poor working class kid all bitter about social change and that". It should have challenged him harder on his views, instead the pitying tone weakened any case the documentary maker was trying to make.
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    (Original post by Carl)
    The whole tone smacked of "look at the poor working class kid all bitter about social change and that". It should have challenged him harder on his views, instead the pitying tone weakened any case the documentary maker was trying to make.
    Agreed. Should have slapped the boy and put him in his place.

    In the end he doesn't join the BNP, because they're not racist enough for him. wtf
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    To be honest it sounded as if he was spouting the same predictable rhetoric.
    Before I watched it I assumed that he would have gone through 'something' in his life. It wasn't major , imo, but my assumptions were right.
    To the boy, id say join the damn bnp, join the national front. you are entitled to. the country is still majority white. i find most of the 2 above mentioned parties are just stirring themselves up, boiling thier own pot.Most minorities (notcie how they are still called minorities) want to get on with their damn lives without the threat of being spat at in the street.
    What can you do if you are born (which you dont ask for)
    Born brown (again didnt ask for - i doubt anyone would given the animosity)
    Born into the uk.
    Are you meant to -as a minority- sit down, look at your skin, aknowledge you are not white and say, well i better leave then!?
    I mean what are you meant to do???
    At the end of the day, i completely understand a land 'belonging' to a people, but think about it, we are all born onto PLANET EARTH and have a right to move in it as we choose.
    I do disagree with people abusing government systems, but there are plenty of indigenous people abusing it to the max! are they angry because minorities are allowed to exploit it as they do? do they want the playing field to be unlevelled again?
    I just think its an ingrained sense of superiority these people want to keep. Wanting to hang out just with white people is not a problem to me! there are things u may miss out on but hey, cant miss what uve never had. but that is different from wanting to marginalise people for their looks.

    What % of white do they want ? I beleive even once they got thier percentage, theyd want more...right back to the point where black people would start serving them.
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    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    1)i do not support the bnp as a party, although this is chiefly due to its poor economic policy
    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    but a bnp government would be disastrous, an incompetent, socialist, authoritarian mess...
    I think you should read their policy again. The BNP is not socialist party, it is a nationalist one. It's economics is probably more related to "Distributism" (not as namby pamby as it sounds), which could be described as an anti-corporate form of capitalism.

    Few people seem to understand what socialism is anyway. For example many people associate nationalisation of industries (which the BNP support only for essential utilities like energy, water and rail.) with socialism because over the last hundred years conservatives have been opposed. This is simply because for the last hundred years Economic Libertarians and Neo-Libs have had a significant influence on the Right. Old Conservatives would probably support some elements of nationalisation.
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    Out of all the BNP supporters ive seen, he was the most articulate, which i found interesting, especially since I have an unfortunate prejudice that all BNP supporters are lowlife uneducated idiots.... It makes me quite worried that kids of such intelligence can fall for such radical and nonsensical ideas. Then again, a similar arguement can be put forward for the underwear bomber who was educated at UCL.
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    (Original post by Phantom_X)
    Out of all the BNP supporters ive seen, he was the most articulate, which i found interesting, especially since I have an unfortunate prejudice that all BNP supporters are lowlife uneducated idiots.... It makes me quite worried that kids of such intelligence can fall for such radical and nonsensical ideas. Then again, a similar arguement can be put forward for the underwear bomber who was educated at UCL.
    He's NOT a BNP supporter......I should imagine most BNP members are glad about that. He's too extreme.

    But yes your prejudice about BNP supporters is a tad "off", I suggest you talk to more of them and you may be quite surprised.
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    (Original post by Phantom_X)
    Out of all the BNP supporters ive seen, he was the most articulate, which i found interesting, especially since I have an unfortunate prejudice that all BNP supporters are lowlife uneducated idiots.... It makes me quite worried that kids of such intelligence can fall for such radical and nonsensical ideas. Then again, a similar arguement can be put forward for the underwear bomber who was educated at UCL.
    You thought he was intelligent?
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    He so has watched lesbian porn.
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    (Original post by Jingers)
    So homosexuality isn't cool cos it's 'degenerate' but sipping alcohol from the bottle is bless?
    Specifically 'Aftershock' - the guy was a complete chav.
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    (Original post by annab1684)
    Yeah, you're right. It's very clever - the guy they've chosen isn't a complete stereotype.
    His the same age as me, and I can tell you he is a smart guy, even though he has harsh views, channel 4 were very clever they way the filmed this.

    What do you think? He should do politics as a degree.
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    I dont understand, I found the young man to be pleasant really, so he holds harsh views about ethnic minority. I know ethnic minority contribute to this country, but let the white man have his say, its only fair, this is his country after all.

    I'm not even white, but I am grateful I am living in this country, because I tell you now, I would have had a far worse life in my 3rd world....
    I Thank yhe white people, and my parents are grateful for coming to this country, even though the white man was crafty enough to take over most of the 3rd world countries anyways, you have to give credit to the white men, they are crafty as hell...
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    (Original post by Frodz)
    I think you should read their policy again. The BNP is not socialist party, it is a nationalist one. It's economics is probably more related to "Distributism" (not as namby pamby as it sounds), which could be described as an anti-corporate form of capitalism.

    Few people seem to understand what socialism is anyway. For example many people associate nationalisation of industries (which the BNP support only for essential utilities like energy, water and rail.) with socialism because over the last hundred years conservatives have been opposed. This is simply because for the last hundred years Economic Libertarians and Neo-Libs have had a significant influence on the Right. Old Conservatives would probably support some elements of nationalisation.
    mate i understand socialism perfectly well thanks.
    i quote from the bnp website -
    (Original post by bnp.org.uk)
    Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets
    example one of ****** up economic policy - extreme protectionism.

    (Original post by bnp.org.uk)
    We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people.
    the british people... not the individuals who own these things, but the people in general. marxism.

    (Original post by bnp.org.uk)
    To that end the BNP will restore our economy and land to British ownership and will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants.
    active government intervention in employment and markets... bad for businesses, bad for our economy, and bad for our freedoms as individuals.

    (Original post by bnp.org.uk)
    a BNP government will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates.
    pure marxism. i cant even elaborate, its just there being marxist.

    it also says how much it wants to pump money into and improve the nhs. in what way is this not a socialist party?
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    They could've called it "Angry, Moany and Angsty" and it would've made little difference.
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    (Original post by Talveer)
    He's not smart, Just articulate and coherent.
    Still, his coherent.
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    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    mate i understand socialism perfectly well thanks.
    Given your response I don’t think you do……


    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    example one of ****** up economic policy - extreme protectionism.
    Protectionism is not socialist.

    Indeed, do you remember a few years ago when the American Government refused to allow the sale of Californian oilfields to a Chinese company? OMG the Yanks are soo socialist!


    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    the british people... not the individuals who own these things, but the people in general. marxism.
    This is just a prejudiced misunderstanding of what they’re saying, It doesn’t say anything about individual ownership or not.

    You must remember that the BNP is first and foremost a nationalist party. What they’re saying is essential industries must not be owned by international conglomerates who have no real incentive to be loyal to the British economy.

    Again I refer to you Distributism, I think you should have a look. In simple terms the idea is to encourage a mercantilist economy of small and medium businesses, in effect increasing self-employment. This btw is what the “Distributism” means, spreading the means of production widely as opposed to Marxism which holds it all should be under state control. Indeed the BNP’s economic policies actually intend to increase private ownership and stimulate competition!

    Of course however some industries are too infra-structurally large or complex to be controlled by guilds of smaller businesses, primarily utilities and rail. This is where nationalisation is needed. Even today these industries aren't very competitive anyway because of the realities of their operation, in rail privatisation for example there is very little competition at all because of how networks are run.

    Currently it is a few powerful Corporations that run much of the economy (and indeed behind the scenes, the country), very few people have any ownership. The BNP is pro-Capitalism, just anti-Corporate. As one of the main figures in Distributism said, “Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few capitalists.”

    Marxist it is certainly not, in fact I’ll think you’ll find pretty much all BNPers absolutely loathe Marxists.


    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    active government intervention in employment and markets... bad for businesses, bad for our economy, and bad for our freedoms as individuals.
    Now that’s a soundbite if ever I heard one…….but have you ever stopped to think about the end result of unfettered free-market globalism and it’s effect on society? Bad for business? Says who? Conglomerates! They aren’t our businesses, they’re international finance which we should have no need to prop up.

    The truth is, as I said above, very few people have economic freedom as individuals in the first place. Corporate Globalism ensures this, it is anti-competition and anti-entrepreneurial.

    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    pure marxism. i cant even elaborate, its just there being marxist.
    Again, I don’t think you understand what Marxism is. Many different economic systems claim to give workers a greater stake in industry, not just Marxist ones. For example “Corporatism” (which is totally anti-marxist, anti-“class war”) seeks to form official bodies (“corporations”) within industries composed of workers and owners to cooperate on the issues affecting them. This is something Marxists deride as “Class Cooperation”.

    The idea that the mere suggestion that more people have a stake in the economy is “Marxist” is ridiculous and a sign of the times.

    (Original post by DJ AgnieszkaA)
    it also says how much it wants to pump money into and improve the nhs. in what way is this not a socialist party?
    Er, then I guess the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are socialist too! Both support the NHS, it would be political suicide not to.

    Again, supporting some nationalised services is not necessarily socialist.
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    (Original post by JAKstriked)
    Unfair dig at the BNP imo of course. You could have replaced BNP with "mental illness" at any point during the program, and still made perfect sense. I can't honestly believe that the average member is anything like the moron they filmed, if so I have no idea as to how they've managed to start a political party. He's still messed up regardless of the party he votes for.

    N.B. I wouldn't endorse the BNP, but I think this is typical C4 scare mongering which pisses me off just as much.
    This ^ - I don't agree with the BNP views but think it's bad and misleading that C4 basically said that the guy was only voting for BNP because of his messed up childhood
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    This country is too good for the BNP
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    The chap Keiran is in the National Front not the BNP. The National Front is where those people go to who think the BNP is too moderate. Maybe when he grows up a bit he might be less radical.
 
 
 
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