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    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/12/...ex.html?hpt=T2

    Pretty sad, quite interesting to see it was a woman which did the shooting though.
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    (Original post by Gueirguiy)
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/12/...ex.html?hpt=T2

    Pretty sad, quite interesting to see it was a woman which did the shooting though.
    This wouldn't be the doing of a korean again?
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    she must be a muslim extremist
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    http://twitter.com/TheDaleJackson/statuses/9031725240

    http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/Show...=392617&page=3 (She's rated 3.3. Subject to change)
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    good job women cant aim
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    "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

    Vote republican!
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

    Vote republican!
    If I vote will you stop the people-killing?
    I shall vote BNP 'YES WE CAN STOP TERRORISM AND GUNZ AND EV0L PEOPLE'
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

    Vote republican!
    Or Libertarian
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

    Vote republican!
    I was wondering who the first person to either claim she was a republican or that "only in America". Funnily enough if you read her reviews, she was a socialist.

    Not the first socialist to have a passion for murder either. :mmm:
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    I was wondering who the first person to either claim she was a republican or that "only in America". Funnily enough if you read her reviews, she was a socialist.

    Not the first socialist to have a passion for murder either. :mmm:
    Fair enough, but i was just highlighting the point that this woman would be very unlikely to kill three people without her own personal Executor9000.
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    I will never understand how and why Americans can excuse guns.
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    Fair enough, but i was just highlighting the point that this woman would be very unlikely to kill three people without her own personal Executor9000.
    Because, of course, illegality stops anyone from getting a gun right?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8309272.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640817.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...every-day.html

    This one is of particular relevance:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm
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    So you're resigned to the fact that the US policing system is so utterly useless that it would not be able to successfuly retrieve, or control, the widespread proliferation of firearms?
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    So you're resigned to the fact that the US policing system is so utterly useless that it would not be able to successfuly retrieve, or control, the widespread proliferation of firearms?
    See latest link.

    And how the **** does that even follow from what I said. My point was despite illegality in the uk 28 firearms crimes happen every day. So which police are useless? Outlawing guns simply outlaws them for innocent people to defend themselves with, making them illegal does not stop criminals getting them.

    There's also the fact that the UK doesn't share a 2,000 mile border with a third world country with a massive crime problem where one small border town gets 2600 murders a year.
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    She'll have to do better than that if she wants to rank on spreekillers.org
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    See latest link.

    And how the **** does that even follow from what I said. My point was despite illegality in the uk 28 firearms crimes happen every day. So which police are useless? Outlawing guns simply outlaws them for innocent people to defend themselves with, making them illegal does not stop criminals getting them.
    How many of these firearms crimes are school or university shooting sprees?
    ****, if firearms are illegal in the UK (and they're not) them merely being caught with one could add to the figure!
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    See latest link.

    And how the **** does that even follow from what I said. My point was despite illegality in the uk 28 firearms crimes happen every day. So which police are useless? Outlawing guns simply outlaws them for innocent people to defend themselves with, making them illegal does not stop criminals getting them.

    There's also the fact that the UK doesn't share a 2,000 mile border with a third world country with a massive crime problem where one small border town gets 2600 murders a year.
    It follows on because the point of illegalizing something is to stop it being used. If you're so resigned to the police being incapable of stopping gun dealing, why don't you legalize murdering and stealing as well, for the police are just as ill equipped to prevent those.

    Ridiculous argument. Having a gun, or carrying it around with you, does not stop you being shot. On the offchance that you are still capable after originally being shot, it just means you are capable of shooting back and hitting some randomer walking past as you collapse onto the floor.

    And yes, making it illegal does stop criminals getting them. That is the whole point of laws restricting anything or any activity. Hence why thieving and murder aren't legal. And thus people don't do them.

    A huge proportion of gun crime in Mexico, said third world country you so harshly dismiss, is down to guns being smuggled in from the US where it is legal.

    Ultimately, it is down to culture. While liberal gun laws do in general lead to higher gun crime, in countries where the socities are equitable and relatively equal, prosperity is well shared out amongst society and people are happy, cared for and looked after (eg, Switzerland, which has extremely liberal gun laws, but one of the lowest overall crime rates [with a correspondingly higher than expected gun crime rate due to the widespread proliferation of firearms]), crime as a whole can be expected to be lower.
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    It follows on because the point of illegalizing something is to stop it being used. If you're so resigned to the police being incapable of stopping gun dealing, why don't you legalize murdering and stealing as well, for the police are just as ill equipped to prevent those.

    Ridiculous argument. Having a gun, or carrying it around with you, does not stop you being shot. On the offchance that you are still capable after originally being shot, it just means you are capable of shooting back and hitting some randomer walking past as you collapse onto the floor.

    And yes, making it illegal does stop criminals getting them. That is the whole point of laws restricting anything or any activity. Hence why thieving and murder aren't legal. Because people don't do them.

    A huge proportion of gun crime in Mexico, said third world country you so harshly dismiss, is down to guns being smuggled in from the US where it is legal.

    Ultimately, it is down to culture. While liberal gun laws do in general lead to higher gun crime, in countries where the socities are equitable and relatively equal, prosperity is well shared out amongst society and people are happy, cared for and looked after (eg, Switzerland, which has extremely liberal gun laws, but one of the lowest overall crime rates [with a correspondingly higher than expected gun crime rate due to the widespread proliferation of firearms]), crime as a whole can be expected to be lower.
    Ok. So if you want to rob someone, are you going to be more likely, or less likely, to try if they're also packing? If it was me, I don't think I'd want to rob someone who might have a gun, I'd be far more likely to rob them if I knew it's almost impossible for them to have one (them being law abiding, me being a criminal of course). If you read the links I posted, you'd see that US crime is falling, UK crime is rising:

    The failure of this general disarmament to stem, or even slow, armed and violent crime could not be more blatant. According to a recent UN study, England and Wales have the highest crime rate and worst record for "very serious" offences of the 18 industrial countries surveyed.....But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising. By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.


    "And yes, making it illegal does stop criminals getting them."

    Well, clearly it doesn't else there wouldn't be 28 gun crimes every day in the UK and rising. The only people it stops 100% are decent, law-abiding citizens who just want to defend their family and property from scum.
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Ok. So if you want to rob someone, are you going to be more likely, or less likely, to try if they're also packing? If it was me, I don't think I'd want to rob someone who might have a gun, I'd be far more likely to rob them if I knew it's almost impossible for them to have one (them being law abiding, me being a criminal of course). If you read the links I posted, you'd see that US crime is falling, UK crime is rising:

    The failure of this general disarmament to stem, or even slow, armed and violent crime could not be more blatant. According to a recent UN study, England and Wales have the highest crime rate and worst record for "very serious" offences of the 18 industrial countries surveyed.....But despite, or because, of this, violent crime in America has been plummeting for 10 consecutive years, even as British violence has been rising. By 1995 English rates of violent crime were already far higher than America's for every major violent crime except murder and rape.


    "And yes, making it illegal does stop criminals getting them."

    Well, clearly it doesn't else there wouldn't be 28 gun crimes every day in the UK and rising. The only people it stops 100% are decent, law-abiding citizens who just want to defend their family and property from scum.
    It's unsurprising for the UK, considering thirty years of government mismanagement and poverty creation.

    Unfortunately it is impossible for the state to fairly filter out thoe 'good honest people' from the bad, legally speaking, and gun laws make no discrimination. Even the 'good, honest' people can be pushed to violence, and as such in this case, appealing to the lowest common denominator, the 'scummy criminal', is the only reasonable answer - hence illegalizing any and all firearms not in the hands of police or armed forces.
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    It's unsurprising for the UK, considering thirty years of government mismanagement and poverty creation.

    Unfortunately it is impossible for the state to fairly filter out thoe 'good honest people' from the bad, legally speaking, and gun laws make no discrimination. Even the 'good, honest' people can be pushed to violence, and as such in this case, appealing to the lowest common denominator, the 'scummy criminal', is the only reasonable answer - hence illegalizing any and all firearms not in the hands of police or armed forces.
    The government doesn't need to filter them out. Like I said, if you're a criminal and there's a chance your victim also has a gun you're less likely to try anything on. At the moment, all criminals know for certain no one else has a gun, or even a knife or any way of defending themselves (and if they dare, they'll go to court for hurting the poor criminal) so they have free reign to do what they want.

    Annoyingly I read this great thing about the amount of crimes averted in the US by guns each year but I can't find it again. Though I'll be sure to post it if/when I do.
 
 
 
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